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Paul Huff-3

New product suggestion

There's not much activity on the bands right now so I'm just sitting here on a
cold rainy day fantasizing about nice weather, lottery winnings, and new ham
gear...

Something that I would like to see as a new Elecraft product would be a basic
12-volt power supply. Specifically a switching power supply with no RF
interference problems, simple metering (analog or digital) to monitor voltage
and current, and a box that matches current Elecraft rigs. I'm strictly a QRP
guy so something small would keep me happy, but a little more beef for the QRO
people would be OK too.

Now, what will I do with that million dollar lottery prize? ...

73,
Paul - N8XMS

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WU9B

Re: New product suggestion

Divide it amongst all of us Elecrafters...

On Apr 8, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Paul Huff wrote:

> Now, what will I do with that million dollar lottery prize? ...

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drewko

Re: New product suggestion

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Cold and rainy here, also...

Actually, I would love to have such a P/S built into my base K3. (Yes,
the K3 is very light and portable; except not so much when you have to
bother with PS, cables and cord).

With a built-in PS you wouldn't need any meters or box and could use a
standard line cord instead of cables, APP connectors, etc. (Would
require a new back panel for the K3, i guess...) This would be more
convenient to transport, even for just around the house when you'd
like to do some SWLing in different rooms at a moment's notice. (A MW
loop antenna might be nice also...)

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:16:44 -0400, you wrote:

>There's not much activity on the bands right now so I'm just sitting here on a
>cold rainy day fantasizing about nice weather, lottery winnings, and new ham
>gear...
>
>Something that I would like to see as a new Elecraft product would be a basic
>12-volt power supply. Specifically a switching power supply with no RF
>interference problems, simple metering (analog or digital) to monitor voltage
>and current, and a box that matches current Elecraft rigs. I'm strictly a QRP
>guy so something small would keep me happy, but a little more beef for the QRO
>people would be OK too.
>
>Now, what will I do with that million dollar lottery prize? ...
>
>73,
>Paul - N8XMS
>
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Guy, K2AV

Re: New product suggestion

Just in case you haven't looked, the inside of a K3 is filled up if
you have the 2nd RX and the 100W KPA100. IF they could put a 25 watt
PA and a power supply in the same space as the KPA100, you could use
the KPA500 if you wanted more than 25 watts.

Or, all you folks that got P3's, any room in the back of the P3 for a
power supply?

73, Guy.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:12 PM, drewko <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Cold and rainy here, also...
>
> Actually, I would love to have such a P/S built into my base K3. (Yes,
> the K3 is very light and portable; except not so much when you have to
> bother with PS, cables and cord).
>
> With a built-in PS you wouldn't need any meters or box and could use a
> standard line cord instead of cables, APP connectors, etc. (Would
> require a new back panel for the K3, i guess...) This would be more
> convenient to transport, even for just around the house when you'd
> like to do some SWLing in different rooms at a moment's notice. (A MW
> loop antenna might be nice also...)
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:16:44 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>There's not much activity on the bands right now so I'm just sitting here on a
>>cold rainy day fantasizing about nice weather, lottery winnings, and new ham
>>gear...
>>
>>Something that I would like to see as a new Elecraft product would be a basic
>>12-volt power supply. Specifically a switching power supply with no RF
>>interference problems, simple metering (analog or digital) to monitor voltage
>>and current, and a box that matches current Elecraft rigs. I'm strictly a QRP
>>guy so something small would keep me happy, but a little more beef for the QRO
>>people would be OK too.
>>
>>Now, what will I do with that million dollar lottery prize? ...
>>
>>73,
>>Paul - N8XMS
>>
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drewko

Re: New product suggestion

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Still raining...

I wonder if a small switching supply module could be designed into the
space occupied by the PA, and having a standard line cord on the back
panel of the module. Just for us low-power K3'ers. I'd sure like to
have one. I guess it depends on the potential market size (How many
non-PA K3's are there in circulation anyway?....)

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:12:11 -0400, you wrote:

Eric Champine

Re: New product suggestion

Hi all.
I like the PS idea for both the K2 and K3.
What I was thinking is that there is no space inside both of the cases with
options installed but if they could design a screw on bottom section with
the PS in there. Yaesu has something like that and it is only around a inch
tall when added with no fan and runs cool at 100 watt's. I don't see why a
small housing couldn't be manufactured to bolt on to the bottom.
I don't know about the K3 but the K2 looks like it could be done.
Just a thought.

73 de W2EEC

Eric
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John Ragle

Re: New product suggestion

Threads like this one about power supplies must make both the
transceiver manufacturers and power supply manufacturers gnash their
teeth and give up in despair! The market already contains a number of
very small, interference-free supplies that fit this idea: Pyramid, for
example makes a 30 A. 13.8 V. switcher that measures 8"X8.5"X2.5" that
sells for a reasonable price, and Tandy also sells one, slightly
smaller, that delivers 20 A. I have three of these, quite a bit smaller
than a K2, that work beautifully. They sit about 4" from my K3 and my
ICOM 910H, and produce no discernible interference whatever.

There may be a need for a much higher capacity switcher -- I have not
been able to find one that would replace my 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
but the low end is very well covered. It seems quite counter-productive
to shunt high-quality transceiver engineers into the power supply
business...the K3 is nearly unique, ditto for the KPA-500, but it looks
to me that the power supply issue is pretty well covered.

Maybe Elecraft should just sell a "meatball" decal emblem for use on
third-party power supplies?

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=====

On 4/8/2011 4:51 PM, Eric Champine wrote:
> Hi all.
> I like the PS idea for both the K2 and K3.

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Andy Faber

Re: New product suggestion

How about Elecraft's commissioning one of the PS manufacturers to design a
package to fit into a P3 enclosure. There's lots of space in there for a
PS, not to mention a good speaker.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ragle" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New product suggestion

> Threads like this one about power supplies must make both the
> transceiver manufacturers and power supply manufacturers gnash their
> teeth and give up in despair! The market already contains a number of
> very small, interference-free supplies that fit this idea: Pyramid, for
> example makes a 30 A. 13.8 V. switcher that measures 8"X8.5"X2.5" that
> sells for a reasonable price, and Tandy also sells one, slightly
> smaller, that delivers 20 A. I have three of these, quite a bit smaller
> than a K2, that work beautifully. They sit about 4" from my K3 and my
> ICOM 910H, and produce no discernible interference whatever.
>
> There may be a need for a much higher capacity switcher -- I have not
> been able to find one that would replace my 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
> but the low end is very well covered. It seems quite counter-productive
> to shunt high-quality transceiver engineers into the power supply
> business...the K3 is nearly unique, ditto for the KPA-500, but it looks
> to me that the power supply issue is pretty well covered.
>
> Maybe Elecraft should just sell a "meatball" decal emblem for use on
> third-party power supplies?
>
> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>
> =====
>
> On 4/8/2011 4:51 PM, Eric Champine wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> I like the PS idea for both the K2 and K3.
>
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Andy Faber

Re: New product suggestion

Sorry for the bandwidth, but I forgot to sign this message from me.
73, andy, ae6y
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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New product suggestion

> How about Elecraft's commissioning one of the PS manufacturers to design a
> package to fit into a P3 enclosure. There's lots of space in there for a
> PS, not to mention a good speaker.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Ragle" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New product suggestion
>
>
>> Threads like this one about power supplies must make both the
>> transceiver manufacturers and power supply manufacturers gnash their
>> teeth and give up in despair! The market already contains a number of
>> very small, interference-free supplies that fit this idea: Pyramid, for
>> example makes a 30 A. 13.8 V. switcher that measures 8"X8.5"X2.5" that
>> sells for a reasonable price, and Tandy also sells one, slightly
>> smaller, that delivers 20 A. I have three of these, quite a bit smaller
>> than a K2, that work beautifully. They sit about 4" from my K3 and my
>> ICOM 910H, and produce no discernible interference whatever.
>>
>> There may be a need for a much higher capacity switcher -- I have not
>> been able to find one that would replace my 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
>> but the low end is very well covered. It seems quite counter-productive
>> to shunt high-quality transceiver engineers into the power supply
>> business...the K3 is nearly unique, ditto for the KPA-500, but it looks
>> to me that the power supply issue is pretty well covered.
>>
>> Maybe Elecraft should just sell a "meatball" decal emblem for use on
>> third-party power supplies?
>>
>> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>>
>> =====
>>
>> On 4/8/2011 4:51 PM, Eric Champine wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> I like the PS idea for both the K2 and K3.
>>
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drewko

Re: New product suggestion

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The "idea" is to get rid of the extra box, cables and connectors: just
a line cord to the back of the K3 providing a more transportable
low-power or receive-only setup. Seems kind of elegant to me...

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:11:03 -0400, you wrote:

John Ragle

Re: New product suggestion

One could build a resistive load into the box, thereby avoiding the
antenna coax. Also, one could disconnect the microphone and remove all
the knobs, etc. from the front panel! How about just potting the whole
thing in concrete?

John Ragle -- W1zI

=====

On 4/8/2011 5:39 PM, drewko wrote:

> The "idea" is to get rid of the extra box, cables and connectors: just
> a line cord to the back of the K3 providing a more transportable
> low-power or receive-only setup. Seems kind of elegant to me...
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:11:03 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> Threads like this one about power supplies must make both the
>> transceiver manufacturers and power supply manufacturers gnash their
>> teeth and give up in despair! The market already contains a number of
>> very small, interference-free supplies that fit this idea: Pyramid, for
>> example makes a 30 A. 13.8 V. switcher that measures 8"X8.5"X2.5" that
>> sells for a reasonable price, and Tandy also sells one, slightly
>> smaller, that delivers 20 A. I have three of these, quite a bit smaller
>> than a K2, that work beautifully. They sit about 4" from my K3 and my
>> ICOM 910H, and produce no discernible interference whatever.
>>
>> There may be a need for a much higher capacity switcher -- I have not
>> been able to find one that would replace my 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
>> but the low end is very well covered. It seems quite counter-productive
>> to shunt high-quality transceiver engineers into the power supply
>> business...
>> to me that the power supply issue is pretty well covered.
>>
>
>
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Eric Champine

Re: New product suggestion

Hey John.
Good idea :-) I like concrete.
I see what they are talking about.
I also have a Yaesu 897D with an attached tuner and a power supply.
It is a very nice and portable package that I take up to my camp with me.
When I get to camp all I have to do is plug in the antenna and the power
cord.
My camp is small so less is better.
That is why I was suggesting something similar for the K2 and K3.
I know I would make good use of it.
Sorry if you don't like it but it may not be for you.
Portably and quality is a big reason why I am switching to Elecraft and to
have a PS in the rig its self would be awesome for me and it sounds like
others would like it too.
Just a suggestion for the "New Product Suggestion" thread.

73 de W2EEC

Eric
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David Gilbert

Re: New product suggestion

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I totally agree. I bet Elecraft could make a fortune simply selling
enclosures for existing commercially-available hardware.

Dave AB7E

On 4/8/2011 2:11 PM, John Ragle wrote:

> Threads like this one about power supplies must make both the
> transceiver manufacturers and power supply manufacturers gnash their
> teeth and give up in despair! The market already contains a number of
> very small, interference-free supplies that fit this idea: Pyramid, for
> example makes a 30 A. 13.8 V. switcher that measures 8"X8.5"X2.5" that
> sells for a reasonable price, and Tandy also sells one, slightly
> smaller, that delivers 20 A. I have three of these, quite a bit smaller
> than a K2, that work beautifully. They sit about 4" from my K3 and my
> ICOM 910H, and produce no discernible interference whatever.
>
> There may be a need for a much higher capacity switcher -- I have not
> been able to find one that would replace my 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
> but the low end is very well covered. It seems quite counter-productive
> to shunt high-quality transceiver engineers into the power supply
> business...the K3 is nearly unique, ditto for the KPA-500, but it looks
> to me that the power supply issue is pretty well covered.
>
> Maybe Elecraft should just sell a "meatball" decal emblem for use on
> third-party power supplies?
>
> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>
> =====
>
> On 4/8/2011 4:51 PM, Eric Champine wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> I like the PS idea for both the K2 and K3.
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Milt -- N5IA

Re: New product suggestion

John Ragle, W1ZI wrote:

> There may be a need for a much higher capacity switcher -- I have not
> been able to find one that would replace my 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
> but the low end is very well covered.

At our mountain top locations, we have been using the various current
capacity models of the supplies from
http://www.iotaengineering.com/dls.htm and have found them to be
excellent for many years of service. We use them to float charge LARGE
battery banks at 12 VDC. They provide tremendous capability in a very
small, highly efficient package.

The 70 Ampere units have been extremely good for float charging 2,000 + Amp
Hour battery banks.

Milt, N5IA

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Gary Gregory

Re: New product suggestion

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PowerWerX Model number SS-30DV is a switch mode, 30A very small supply and I
have 2 of them here and NO RFI issues, stable at 13.8VDC.

It even has a very silent fan plus Anderson plugs (2) on the front with Lugs
on the rear plus the Red and Black nuts de come off so you can attach ring
tipped wires and/or spade types.

Good small unit to have.

73's
Gary

On 9 April 2011 10:13, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I totally agree. I bet Elecraft could make a fortune simply selling
> enclosures for existing commercially-available hardware.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
> On 4/8/2011 2:11 PM, John Ragle wrote:
> > Threads like this one about power supplies must make both the
> > transceiver manufacturers and power supply manufacturers gnash their
> > teeth and give up in despair! The market already contains a number of
> > very small, interference-free supplies that fit this idea: Pyramid, for
> > example makes a 30 A. 13.8 V. switcher that measures 8"X8.5"X2.5" that
> > sells for a reasonable price, and Tandy also sells one, slightly
> > smaller, that delivers 20 A. I have three of these, quite a bit smaller
> > than a K2, that work beautifully. They sit about 4" from my K3 and my
> > ICOM 910H, and produce no discernible interference whatever.
> >
> > There may be a need for a much higher capacity switcher -- I have not
> > been able to find one that would replace my 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
> > but the low end is very well covered. It seems quite counter-productive
> > to shunt high-quality transceiver engineers into the power supply
> > business...the K3 is nearly unique, ditto for the KPA-500, but it looks
> > to me that the power supply issue is pretty well covered.
> >
> > Maybe Elecraft should just sell a "meatball" decal emblem for use on
> > third-party power supplies?
> >
> > John Ragle -- W1ZI
> >
> > =====
> >
> > On 4/8/2011 4:51 PM, Eric Champine wrote:
> >> Hi all.
> >> I like the PS idea for both the K2 and K3.
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Dale Parfitt-3

Re: New product suggestion

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I agree. I have had a 90A Iota in my 1296 solid state 400W amp for 5 years
now- it's out at the dish and has never failed me, even when lightning took
out my sequencer.

Dale W4OP
> John Ragle, W1ZI wrote:

>
>> There may be a need for a much higher capacity switcher -- I have not
>> been able to find one that would replace my 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
>> but the low end is very well covered.
>
> At our mountain top locations, we have been using the various current
> capacity models of the supplies from
> http://www.iotaengineering.com/dls.htm and have found them to be
> excellent for many years of service. We use them to float charge LARGE
> battery banks at 12 VDC. They provide tremendous capability in a very
> small, highly efficient package.
>
> The 70 Ampere units have been extremely good for float charging 2,000 +
> Amp
> Hour battery banks.
>
> Milt, N5IA
>
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Re: New product suggestion

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Keep Tucson green.

--- On Fri, 4/8/11, Milt -- N5IA <[hidden email]> wrote:

> John Ragle, W1ZI wrote:
>
> > There may be a need for a much higher capacity
> switcher -- I have not
> > been able to find one that would replace my
> 2-ton-Tessie Astron 70 --
> > but the low end is very well covered.
>
> At our mountain top locations, we have been using the
> various current
> capacity models of the supplies from
> http://www.iotaengineering.com/dls.htm
> and have found them to be
> excellent for many years of service. We use them to
> float charge LARGE
> battery banks at 12 VDC. They provide tremendous
> capability in a very
> small, highly efficient package.
>
> The 70 Ampere units have been extremely good for float
> charging 2,000 + Amp
> Hour battery banks.
>
> Milt, N5IA

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: New product suggestion

In reply to this post by David Gilbert

Dave,

Selling re-branded items is a "bag of worms" in many cases. The
re-brander must take full responsibility for any warranty issues, and
the re-brander is at the mercy of the originator for providing a quality
product that meets specifications.

There has been enough discussion about the Elecraft USB to serial
adapter ( the previous Prolific adapter) that everyone should heed -
let's not pass that same legacy on to power supplies. Some things are
outside the control of Elecraft and the subtleties of "specmanship" may
miss the eyes of even the most conscientious engineer. I cling to the
KISS principle - let each manufacturer be responsible for his own
product. The integration of other manufacturer's product (like the K3)
should be done first on the specifications, and secondly on endorsements
of other manufacturer's products..

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/8/2011 8:13 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> I totally agree. I bet Elecraft could make a fortune simply selling
> enclosures for existing commercially-available hardware.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
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drewko

Re: New product suggestion

In reply to this post by John Ragle

Heh, heh.... OK, great. You've convinced me of the desirability of
having as many extra boxes and cables in my shack as possible. That is
really what ham radio is about. So now I'll suggest that Elecraft
redesign VFO-B as an outboard box with five or six cables to attach to
the K3. Maybe add a big outboard knifeswitch for power on/off and a
standalone Jacobs ladder for the benefit of those too technologically
jaded to be impressed by a mere tangle of wires and jumble of boxes.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 18:06:46 -0400, you wrote:

>One could build a resistive load into the box, thereby avoiding the
>antenna coax. Also, one could disconnect the microphone and remove all
>the knobs, etc. from the front panel! How about just potting the whole
>thing in concrete?
>
>John Ragle -- W1zI
>

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k6dgw

Re: New product suggestion

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The "Elecraft" Bencher HexKey seems to have worked OK, I have one. But
if I were running a company, I'd be with you Don. I think most of us
know that data sheets and specifications never ever tell the whole story
about a product.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
- www.cqp.org

On 4/8/2011 6:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Selling re-branded items is a "bag of worms" in many cases. The
> re-brander must take full responsibility for any warranty issues, and
> the re-brander is at the mercy of the originator for providing a quality
> product that meets specifications.
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