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Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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RS-232. The cable is included.

73, Eric
----

On 4/13/2011 3:33 PM, ab2tc wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Very interesting. Perhaps somewhat hastily I placed an order for one as I
> have been looking for something like this for a while. I couldn't figure out
> from the manual what's needed to connect to the computer interface. What is
> the type of connector and does Elecraft sell a special cable for it?
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> AC7AC wrote:
>> I had the same reaction, but don't forget the low-pass filter. That "RF"
>> is
>> a square wave with very rich harmonics!
>>
>> Ron AC7AC
>>
>>
>>
>
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Bill K9YEQ

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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Wayne,

Did you leave room inside for an SSB SMD board and micro tuner? I ordered
one so I just need to know. I also did the 144 transverter mod just after
noting the email for the former. In the meantime you guys slipped me a head
fake with the 144 mod so I called! I hope I don't miss anything coming out
tomorrow in this order. Like a remote 1.5 KW tuner. :-)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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To: Rick Dettinger
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

Rick Dettinger wrote:

> 0 dbm. OK, how do I key this QRP transmitter....

You could key it from a PC with a couple of RS232 commands, although the
keying won't be shaped unless you do it externally.

As far as I know, no one on our staff has made a QSO on an XG3 yet.
But keep in mind that 0 dBm is only 30 dB below 1 watt. So if your 1-W QRP
rig is S9 at the receiving end, the XG3 would be about S3.

Suitable antenna design is left to the reader.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Jim Rhodes-2

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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Looks like the same cable as the W1?? Seems to be same type of jack anyway.

Jim K0XU
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On Apr 13, 2011 5:33 PM, "ab2tc" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Very interesting. Perhaps somewhat hastily I placed an order for one as I
> have been looking for something like this for a while. I couldn't figure
out
> from the manual what's needed to connect to the computer interface. What
is

> the type of connector and does Elecraft sell a special cable for it?
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> AC7AC wrote:
>>
>> I had the same reaction, but don't forget the low-pass filter. That "RF"
>> is
>> a square wave with very rich harmonics!
>>
>> Ron AC7AC
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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Eric Champine

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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Quick question.
So I can use the XG3 for alignment on all of my kits rather than using
another transceiver for that. Correct?
Sounds like it to me and if so, I am going to love it. I like to build kits
a lot. Have to hold off till next payday to order one,
I was thinking about getting the XG2 for alignment but it didn't cover all
the bands I use so I just used my 897D. The XG3 sounds much more easy to use
for that :-) Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks Elecraft and thanks to
all.

73 de W2EEC

Eric
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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Yes, and its included with the XG3.
73,
Eric

On 4/13/2011 5:16 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Looks like the same cable as the W1?? Seems to be same type of jack anyway.
>
> Jim K0XU
> ----
> On Apr 13, 2011 5:33 PM, "ab2tc"<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I couldn't figure out
>> from the manual what's needed to connect to the computer interface. What
> is the type of connector and does Elecraft sell a special cable for it?
>
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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Hi Eric,
That's exactly the idea. :-)

73, Eric WA6HHQ
----

On 4/13/2011 5:27 PM, Eric Champine wrote:

> Quick question.
> So I can use the XG3 for alignment on all of my kits rather than using
> another transceiver for that. Correct?
> Sounds like it to me and if so, I am going to love it. I like to build kits
> a lot. Have to hold off till next payday to order one,
> I was thinking about getting the XG2 for alignment but it didn't cover all
> the bands I use so I just used my 897D. The XG3 sounds much more easy to use
> for that :-) Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks Elecraft and thanks to
> all.
>
> 73 de W2EEC
> Eric
> ______________________________________________________________
>

juergen piezo

Re: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source/phase noise performance?

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Hi

No phase noise performance data in the manual. What is the phase noise performance of the XG3 like?

My HP8640 is being held together by a miracles and prayers, I need a replacement.

73
John

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source
> To: "Rick Dettinger" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Elecraft Elecraft" <[hidden email]>, "QRP-L" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 2:36 PM
> Rick Dettinger wrote:
>
> > 0 dbm. OK, how do I key this QRP
> transmitter....
>
> You could key it from a PC with a couple of RS232 commands,
> although
> the keying won't be shaped unless you do it externally.
>
> As far as I know, no one on our staff has made a QSO on an
> XG3 yet.
> But keep in mind that 0 dBm is only 30 dB below 1 watt. So
> if your 1-W
> QRP rig is S9 at the receiving end, the XG3 would be about
> S3.
>
> Suitable antenna design is left to the reader.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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wayne burdick

Re: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source/phase noise performance?

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Hi John,

Phase noise is specified in the manual. It is a relatively constant
-105 dBc/Hz, even at very close spacings, which is excellent
performance for a low-cost, wide-range signal source.

I wouldn't amplify it to 1KW.

Let me know how it works for you as a replacement for the HP8640. Not
as many knobs and switches, but it runs from a 9-V battery.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:46 PM, juergen wrote:

> Hi
>
> No phase noise performance data in the manual. What is the phase
> noise performance of the XG3 like?
>
> My HP8640 is being held together by a miracles and prayers, I need a
> replacement.
>
> 73
> John

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source/phase noise performance?

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John,

Sorry to hear that your 8640 is nearing its end.

My recommendation (and my personal preference) - hang onto the HP8640
for as long as it works - in the available signal generator field, it
cannot be beat for low phase noise along with a well calibrated output
attenuator. Sure it takes a couple hours for it to stop drifting, but
the other factors make it a very worthwhile tool for the workbench.
I now have 2 HP8640's, but I have ordered the XG3 because it is
convenient and will be the "workhorse" of the workbench signal
generators. But when it comes down to applications that require no
leakage, and well calibrated output levels down to -140 dBm (and below
with in-line attenuators), you can bet that the old '8640 will be my
generator of choice.

The XG3 will be replacing my XG1 and XG2, but the HP8640 will stay at
the bench for those times when nothing else will do as well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2011 9:46 PM, juergen wrote:

> Hi
>
> No phase noise performance data in the manual. What is the phase noise performance of the XG3 like?
>
> My HP8640 is being held together by a miracles and prayers, I need a replacement.
>
> 73
> John
>
> --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Wayne Burdick<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> From: Wayne Burdick<[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source
>> To: "Rick Dettinger"<[hidden email]>
>> Cc: "Elecraft Elecraft"<[hidden email]>, "QRP-L"<[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
>> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 2:36 PM
>> Rick Dettinger wrote:
>>
>>> 0 dbm. OK, how do I key this QRP
>> transmitter....
>>
>> You could key it from a PC with a couple of RS232 commands,
>> although
>> the keying won't be shaped unless you do it externally.
>>
>> As far as I know, no one on our staff has made a QSO on an
>> XG3 yet.
>> But keep in mind that 0 dBm is only 30 dB below 1 watt. So
>> if your 1-W
>> QRP rig is S9 at the receiving end, the XG3 would be about
>> S3.
>>
>> Suitable antenna design is left to the reader.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
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Dr. Dan Swartling

Re: [QRP-L] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF SignalSource

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This is the 21st century. It is 2011. Why does the XG3 have an RS232 port and not a USB port?

Dan WB4NMR

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Subject: Re: [QRP-L] [Elecraft] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF SignalSource

Hi Eric,
That's exactly the idea. :-)

73, Eric WA6HHQ
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On 4/13/2011 5:27 PM, Eric Champine wrote:

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wayne burdick

Re: [QRP-L] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF SignalSource

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Hi Dan,

While we might do a USB version in the future, our RS232
implementation meets all of our criteria:

- it generates no RFI that might modulate the RF signal
- takes almost no PCB space
- is inexpensive, helping keep the cost of the instrument low
- uses almost no supply current
- and is backwards-compatible with older PCs that have only
traditional serial ports

Nearly all our customers already have USB to serial adapters for use
with other station equipment, both ours and that of other manufacturers.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

A USB port contributes more RFI, takes more board space
On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Daniel Swartling wrote:

> This is the 21st century. It is 2011. Why does the XG3 have an RS232
> port and not a USB port?

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Phil Hystad-3

Re: [QRP-L] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF SignalSource

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My keyboard and my mouse are Bluetooth, why not all future devices from Elecraft support Bluetooth connections (well, as long as the bandwidth is acceptable)? I really have this great urge to get rid of all connecting cables just like in the old Star Trek TV episode "The Ultimate Computer" (episode #53, stardate 4729.4).

On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Daniel Swartling wrote:

> This is the 21st century. It is 2011. Why does the XG3 have an RS232 port and not a USB port?
>
> Dan WB4NMR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] on behalf of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
> Sent: Wed 4/13/2011 7:51 PM
> To: Eric Champine
> Cc: Elecraft Elecraft; QRP-L; [hidden email]; Wayne Burdick
> Subject: Re: [QRP-L] [Elecraft] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF SignalSource
>
> Hi Eric,
> That's exactly the idea. :-)
>
> 73, Eric WA6HHQ
> ----
>
> On 4/13/2011 5:27 PM, Eric Champine wrote:
>> Quick question.
>> So I can use the XG3 for alignment on all of my kits rather than using
>> another transceiver for that. Correct?
>> Sounds like it to me and if so, I am going to love it. I like to build kits
>> a lot. Have to hold off till next payday to order one,
>> I was thinking about getting the XG2 for alignment but it didn't cover all
>> the bands I use so I just used my 897D. The XG3 sounds much more easy to use
>> for that :-) Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks Elecraft and thanks to
>> all.
>>
>> 73 de W2EEC
>> Eric
>> ______________________________________________________________
>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: [QRP-L] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF SignalSource

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> Why does the XG3 have an RS232 port and not a USB port?

Not again! USB is very operating system dependent and incurs a
significant overhead cost in licensing as well as software cost
for multiple operating systems. In addition, not all controllers
have built-in USB support (nearly all PICs have a native serial
port) and the hardware/development cost is significantly for
those devices with embedded USB ports. Finally, the bill of
materials is more expensive with USB and the final product
must be physically larger to accommodate the added USB port.

All of the above make RS-232 the right choice for these products
and continued "why no USB port" complaints extremely unwelcome.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 4/14/2011 12:57 AM, Daniel Swartling wrote:

M0XDF

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Wayne, will the software to do this be available for Mac OSX?
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108
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Ideas are like rabbits. You get a couple and learn how to handle them, and
pretty soon you have a dozen.
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On 13 Apr 2011, at 21:31, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Any of the band switches can be programmed to cover any frequency in
> the 1.5 to 200 MHz range (or higher, using harmonics) by connecting a
> PC to the unit.

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gm3sek

Re: [QRP-L] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF SignalSource

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Phil Hystad wrote:
>I really have this great urge to get rid of all connecting cables just
>like in the old Star Trek TV episode "The Ultimate Computer" (episode
>#53, stardate 4729.4).

Meanwhile, back in Series 1, Mr Spock was still having trouble with the
small screen of his P3:

<http://tinyurl.com/3ed9dwu>

--

73 from Ian GM3SEK
http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek
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vk4tux

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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> As far as I know, no one on our staff has made a QSO on an XG3 yet.
> But keep in mind that 0 dBm is only 30 dB below 1 watt. So if your 1-W
> QRP rig is S9 at the receiving end, the XG3 would be about S3.
>
> Suitable antenna design is left to the reader.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>

Wayne would it be possible to provide a click-able link on the picture;

http://www.elecraft.com/images/XG3v2%20100.jpg

to a larger picture so we can see the detail please?

Adrian ... vk4tux
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M0XDF

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

go look at the manual : http://www.elecraft.com/manual/XG3%20Owner%27s%20Manual%20Rev%20B.pdf
- front page has BIG picture
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108
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On 14 Apr 2011, at 10:08, Adrian wrote:
> Wayne would it be possible to provide a click-able link on the picture;
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/images/XG3v2%20100.jpg
>
> to a larger picture so we can see the detail please?

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Terry Schieler

Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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Forgive me if I missed this, but the web site shows the available XG3 as
"assembled". Can we anticipate a kit version at a later date?

Great product!

73,

Terry, W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:10 PM
To: ab2tc
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

RS-232. The cable is included.

73, Eric
----

On 4/13/2011 3:33 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Very interesting. Perhaps somewhat hastily I placed an order for one as I
> have been looking for something like this for a while. I couldn't figure
out
> from the manual what's needed to connect to the computer interface. What
is

> the type of connector and does Elecraft sell a special cable for it?
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> AC7AC wrote:
>> I had the same reaction, but don't forget the low-pass filter. That "RF"
>> is
>> a square wave with very rich harmonics!
>>
>> Ron AC7AC
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> View this message in context:

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864.html
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Re: New Elecraft product: XG3 All-Band RF Signal Source

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I will add this this morning.
Eric

On 4/14/2011 2:08 AM, Adrian wrote:

>
>
> > As far as I know, no one on our staff has made a QSO on an XG3 yet.
> > But keep in mind that 0 dBm is only 30 dB below 1 watt. So if your 1-W
> > QRP rig is S9 at the receiving end, the XG3 would be about S3.
> >
> > Suitable antenna design is left to the reader.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> Wayne would it be possible to provide a click-able link on the picture;
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> http://www.elecraft.com/images/XG3v2%20100.jpg
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> to a larger picture so we can see the detail please?
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> Adrian ... vk4tux
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