Notch control
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A minor "usability" issue... Tapping NOTCH once engages "auto" mode, then a second tap goes to "manual", then a third tap turns notch off. That's all OK... except when I tap once to "auto", then, a short while later, the lid who was throwing a carrier goes away, I tap the button again, and expect it to turn notch off, but it still cycles into manual mode, requiring a further tap. Sooo... perhaps if auto mode has been engaged for more than a second or so, a single tap could turn notch off, instead going to manual mode? Actually, thinking about it some more; maybe manual mode should only come into play on "hold" instead of "tap"? I imagine other would have different preferences, though.... Comments? ~Iain / N6ML _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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IIRC, holding the button brings up the Notch Edit mode where you get to
pick the manual freq. Having a user interface that is modal can be very frustrating. If a button does one thing at one time and another some time later it can represent a moving target for learning and leave people confused. For that reason, I'd prefer to leave it the way it is. At least it is predictable. Or maybe a cool mod would be to add a config setting that would allow you to set Notch to Manual, Auto or Both for SSB. That way, you could bypass the Manual mode if you never use it and the Notch button could be a simple On/Of switch. And then, if you held it down, it could induce a short circuit across the finals of the LID who is jamming you. Hold the button for a few seconds and your problem is truly solved :-) - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell - N6ML Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:37 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Notch control A minor "usability" issue... Tapping NOTCH once engages "auto" mode, then a second tap goes to "manual", then a third tap turns notch off. That's all OK... except when I tap once to "auto", then, a short while later, the lid who was throwing a carrier goes away, I tap the button again, and expect it to turn notch off, but it still cycles into manual mode, requiring a further tap. Sooo... perhaps if auto mode has been engaged for more than a second or so, a single tap could turn notch off, instead going to manual mode? Actually, thinking about it some more; maybe manual mode should only come into play on "hold" instead of "tap"? I imagine other would have different preferences, though.... Comments? ~Iain / N6ML _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2
YES, Ian, YES! I support your idea and when thinking of it....another one about the Notch controls. The situation now is, that when the manual notch is switched on, and the notch freq is on the VFO B display, I cannot move the VFO A!! I first have to tap the DISP button or the Notch again. In case of touching either button, the manual notch stays on. How about this solution: Tap Notch: auto notch comes up Tap again: auto notch switches off. Hold Notch: manual notch comes on , as it is now, and notch freq visible in VFO B display, and you are able to move VFO A Tap Notch again: Notch switches off and VFO B display goes back to normal If you want the normal VFO B display again and manual notch stays on, tap DISP AND: So VFO A is always unlocked during this. 73 Arie PA3A -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens Iain MacDonnell - N6ML Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2009 22:37 Aan: Elecraft Onderwerp: [Elecraft] Notch control A minor "usability" issue... Tapping NOTCH once engages "auto" mode, then a second tap goes to "manual", then a third tap turns notch off. That's all OK... except when I tap once to "auto", then, a short while later, the lid who was throwing a carrier goes away, I tap the button again, and expect it to turn notch off, but it still cycles into manual mode, requiring a further tap. Sooo... perhaps if auto mode has been engaged for more than a second or so, a single tap could turn notch off, instead going to manual mode? Actually, thinking about it some more; maybe manual mode should only come into play on "hold" instead of "tap"? I imagine other would have different preferences, though.... Comments? ~Iain / N6ML _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Darwin, Keith wrote:
> Or maybe a cool mod would be to add a config setting that would allow > you to set Notch to Manual, Auto or Both for SSB. That way, you could > bypass the Manual mode if you never use it and the Notch button could be > a simple On/Of switch. And then, if you held it down, it could induce a > short circuit across the finals of the LID who is jamming you. Hold the > button for a few seconds and your problem is truly solved :-) Who remembers the old Terry and the Pirates series in which the Dragon Lady's minions had a device which could zero in on anyone using a transmitter, causing their headphones to explode? How many times have I wished for that in a pileup! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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While we're opening the notch topic, how about a truely narrow notch for
CW-- maybe about 30Hz.? The present one is far too wide for most CW situations. One is running stations and another station starts up too close on one side. A narrow notch could be one more tool..... Alternatively, fix the shift control to have the 10Hz steps requested by others when using narrow CW filters. 73 de Brian/K3KO Darwin, Keith wrote: >IIRC, holding the button brings up the Notch Edit mode where you get to >pick the manual freq. > >Having a user interface that is modal can be very frustrating. If a >button does one thing at one time and another some time later it can >represent a moving target for learning and leave people confused. > >For that reason, I'd prefer to leave it the way it is. At least it is >predictable. > >Or maybe a cool mod would be to add a config setting that would allow >you to set Notch to Manual, Auto or Both for SSB. That way, you could >bypass the Manual mode if you never use it and the Notch button could be >a simple On/Of switch. And then, if you held it down, it could induce a >short circuit across the finals of the LID who is jamming you. Hold the >button for a few seconds and your problem is truly solved :-) > >- Keith N1AS - >- K3 711 - > >-----Original Message----- >From: [hidden email] >[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell - >N6ML >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:37 PM >To: Elecraft >Subject: [Elecraft] Notch control > > >A minor "usability" issue... > >Tapping NOTCH once engages "auto" mode, then a second tap goes to >"manual", then a third tap turns notch off. That's all OK... except when >I tap once to "auto", then, a short while later, the lid who was >throwing a carrier goes away, I tap the button again, and expect it to >turn notch off, but it still cycles into manual mode, requiring a >further tap. > >Sooo... perhaps if auto mode has been engaged for more than a second or >so, a single tap could turn notch off, instead going to manual mode? > >Actually, thinking about it some more; maybe manual mode should only >come into play on "hold" instead of "tap"? > >I imagine other would have different preferences, though.... > >Comments? > > ~Iain / N6ML >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:24:22 +0000, you wrote:
>While we're opening the notch topic, how about a truely narrow notch for >CW-- maybe about 30Hz.? > >The present one is far too wide for most CW situations. > >One is running stations and another station starts up too close on one >side. A narrow notch could be one more tool..... > >Alternatively, fix the shift control to have the 10Hz steps requested by >others when using narrow CW filters. > >73 de Brian/K3KO I looked at the auto and manual notch on a waterfall once. You are right, it is wide notch. It's too broad for CW and almost too broad for SSB. I'm OK with the way the button works but would like to see the notch about 25% as wide as it is currently. And yes, I would also like to have 10hz steps for all the filter adjustments. Tom Hinson Childers, N5GE K3 #806, XV144, XV432 Mini-Modules http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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All this chat about "notch" control..... I just want my K3 (Due soon) so I can join in :)
73,72 Mike, W9QS EX: KN6TBP (1956), K1DGQ, DL4KM, K5LJN, W9FRR, W9KVF K2, OHR500, Norcal 20, SP1 Fists #12327, FP #268, OOTC #4423, QRPARCI #9521 --- On Thu, 1/8/09, N5GE <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: N5GE <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Notch control > To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]> > Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 12:42 AM > On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:24:22 +0000, you wrote: > > >While we're opening the notch topic, how about a > truely narrow notch for > >CW-- maybe about 30Hz.? > > > >The present one is far too wide for most CW situations. > > > > >One is running stations and another station starts up > too close on one > >side. A narrow notch could be one more tool..... > > > >Alternatively, fix the shift control to have the 10Hz > steps requested by > >others when using narrow CW filters. > > > >73 de Brian/K3KO > [snip] > > I looked at the auto and manual notch on a waterfall once. > You are right, it is > wide notch. It's too broad for CW and almost too broad > for SSB. > > I'm OK with the way the button works but would like to > see the notch about 25% > as wide as it is currently. > > And yes, I would also like to have 10hz steps for all the > filter adjustments. > > Tom Hinson Childers, N5GE > > K3 #806, XV144, XV432 > Mini-Modules > > http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE > http://www.n5ge.com > http://www.swotrc.net > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> While we're opening the notch topic, how about a truely narrow notch for
> CW-- maybe about 30Hz.? > > The present one is far too wide for most CW situations. > > One is running stations and another station starts up too close on one > side. A narrow notch could be one more tool..... > > Alternatively, fix the shift control to have the 10Hz steps requested by > others when using narrow CW filters. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > As a new owner of the K3 I can say I love the radio. These above mentioned steps would be a real plus. Gary, KA1J _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2
Amen Brian on the shift control. That is still my biggest complaint. Shift
needs to be to the point with a narrow filter where it seems continuous instead of steps. There is a very very fine point where shift is too much or not quite enough and with out being close to continuous that point is hard to achieve. Shift on my old MP was one of my major tools. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Yes, I too would like the Shift steps to be 10hz. And while I'm asking, I
would appreciate the sidetone volume and the spot volume to be independently adjustable. As it is, with the sidetone set at a proper level, the spot level is too low. Gary W7TEA <quote author="Mike K4PI"> Amen Brian on the shift control. That is still my biggest complaint. Shift needs to be to the point with a narrow filter where it seems continuous instead of steps. There is a very very fine point where shift is too much or not quite enough and with out being close to continuous that point is hard to achieve. Shift on my old MP was one of my major tools. _______________________________________________
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