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NK7Z

OK... I give up on what is happening...

Hello all,

I have spent a few months trying to fathom this and finally have given
up and need your help...

When in CW mode, and running MixW the following is observed:

1. All bands below 18 MHz, if I move the tuning dial, the frequency
display of MixW moves as expected, and any signals stay locked under the
frequency, and move with the display.

2. All bands 18 and over, if I move the dial, the frequency display of
MixW moves as expected, and any signals move in the opposite direction
of the display, and do NOT stay under the frequency shown, they move, as
if the signal is changing frequency.

Is there some per band mode for which sideband CW is using? Am I on th
right rack here?

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Thanks and 73's,
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www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

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NK7Z

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

This is on a K3
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On Mon, 2014-11-03 at 18:53 -0800, David Cole wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have spent a few months trying to fathom this and finally have given
> up and need your help...
>
> When in CW mode, and running MixW the following is observed:
>
> 1. All bands below 18 MHz, if I move the tuning dial, the frequency
> display of MixW moves as expected, and any signals stay locked under the
> frequency, and move with the display.
>
> 2. All bands 18 and over, if I move the dial, the frequency display of
> MixW moves as expected, and any signals move in the opposite direction
> of the display, and do NOT stay under the frequency shown, they move, as
> if the signal is changing frequency.
>
> Is there some per band mode for which sideband CW is using? Am I on th
> right rack here?
>
>
>

Michael Eberle

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

In reply to this post by NK7Z

You may have to put it in CW-R mode to get on the opposite sideband. Although I would think one would use digital soundcard programs in DATA-A mode.

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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: David Cole <[hidden email]> </div><div>Date:11/03/2014 8:53 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: [hidden email] </div><div>Subject: [Elecraft] OK... I give up on what is happening... </div><div>
</div>Hello all,

I have spent a few months trying to fathom this and finally have given
up and need your help...

When in CW mode, and running MixW the following is observed:

1. All bands below 18 MHz, if I move the tuning dial, the frequency
display of MixW moves as expected, and any signals stay locked under the
frequency, and move with the display.

2. All bands 18 and over, if I move the dial, the frequency display of
MixW moves as expected, and any signals move in the opposite direction
of the display, and do NOT stay under the frequency shown, they move, as
if the signal is changing frequency.

Is there some per band mode for which sideband CW is using? Am I on th
right rack here?

--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

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NK7Z

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

Hi,
I have tried that... Same thing happens, the radio acts exactly the
same... It is some interaction with MixW I think... If I load FLDigi,
I get the same action, only all the time... I have disabled the
bands.ini in MixW to test, and that seems to make no difference...
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For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

On Mon, 2014-11-03 at 21:21 -0600, Michael Eberle wrote:

> You may have to put it in CW-R mode to get on the opposite sideband.
> Although I would think one would use digital soundcard programs in
> DATA-A mode.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Cole
> Date:11/03/2014 8:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] OK... I give up on what is happening...
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have spent a few months trying to fathom this and finally have given
> up and need your help...
>
> When in CW mode, and running MixW the following is observed:
>
> 1. All bands below 18 MHz, if I move the tuning dial, the frequency
> display of MixW moves as expected, and any signals stay locked under
> the
> frequency, and move with the display.
>
> 2. All bands 18 and over, if I move the dial, the frequency display
> of
> MixW moves as expected, and any signals move in the opposite direction
> of the display, and do NOT stay under the frequency shown, they move,
> as
> if the signal is changing frequency.
>
> Is there some per band mode for which sideband CW is using? Am I on
> th
> right rack here?
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
>
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Pierfrancesco Caci

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

>>>>> "David" == David Cole <[hidden email]> writes:

David> Hi,
David> I have tried that... Same thing happens, the radio acts exactly the
David> same... It is some interaction with MixW I think... If I
David> load FLDigi,
David> I get the same action, only all the time... I have disabled the
David> bands.ini in MixW to test, and that seems to make no difference...

Dave,
the K3 uses LSB for CW on all bands.
In FLDigi there's a configuration knob to let you deal with that, under
Configure->Misc->Sweet Spot. This will make the waterfall move in the
correct direction when you tune, and it will make the QSY button tune
your radio correctly.
Please see if this fixes your problem in FLDigi. I don't know MixW, but
it it changes direction from a certain band up, it may be configured to
invert the sidebands like some old radios used to do.
Other thing to make sure is that FLDigi (and possibly MixW) gets the
mode correctly. Sometimes the K3 spews info too quickly and you get
garbage in the Mode dropdown of FLDigi.

Pf

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rs500

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I am running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to reverse the direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the frequency display.
What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the utility program to connect to the K3.
I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the problem, but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on the serial port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the serial port and other cables to the computer. Good luck

Ron
K2RAS

Rick WA6NHC

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

Since it is running via a serial port, is it possible that the software is overrunning the buffers? Too much data, too fast? If it were close, that would certainly cause an issue that could require a reset of the system.

Rick, WA6NHC

PS It ain't pretty, but I'm doing the happy dance, Tromelin at LAST!

iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)

> On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:26 AM, rs500 <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I am
> running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to reverse the
> direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the frequency display.
> What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
> occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
> configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
> utility program to connect to the K3.
> I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the problem,
> but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on the serial
> port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the serial port and
> other cables to the computer. Good luck
>
> Ron
> K2RAS
>
>
>
> --
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k6mkf

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

I also ran MixW and had similar problems with the K3. I sent a lot of
information about this problem to the MixW authors, but there was no
response and no fix. In fact, it's been years since there was a MixW
update.

So I chucked MixW and converted my digital operations to HRD - and that was
the end of those problems.

Not the solution for everyone, but now the HRD suite runs the operation
here.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC, IDXC 2015, W6NAG, IDXG,
ADXG, RRC #933, K3-P3-KPA500-KAT500 Addict, Maui

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick
Bates, WA6NHC
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:33 AM
To: rs500
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OK... I give up on what is happening...

Since it is running via a serial port, is it possible that the software is
overrunning the buffers? Too much data, too fast? If it were close, that
would certainly cause an issue that could require a reset of the system.

Rick, WA6NHC

PS It ain't pretty, but I'm doing the happy dance, Tromelin at LAST!

iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)

> On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:26 AM, rs500 <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I
> am running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to
> reverse the direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the
frequency display.

> What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
> occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
> configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
> utility program to connect to the K3.
> I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the
> problem, but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on
> the serial port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the
> serial port and other cables to the computer. Good luck
>
> Ron
> K2RAS
>
>
>
> --
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NK7Z

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

In reply to this post by rs500

Hi Ron,

I am not sure it is a serial problem, in fact I would probably bet money
that it is not... Here is something new to ponder about this that may
help you...

If I go to the "CW is LSB" option in MixW, and assert it, all behaves
fine, (both waterfall and signal track as I turn main tuning dial), on
80, through 17 Meters, if on the other hand I then switch to any band 15
through 10 meters, I get the action where as I adjust the frequency up
using the tuning dial on the K3, the "dial", (in the waterfall), on
MixW, tracks fine, (as it does on the lower bands), but the signal moves
in the opposite direction, so it looks as if the frequency of the signal
is changing as observed by MixW.

If I then uncheck the "CW is LSB" option, the actions are reversed--
that is to say, that all works as expected on 21 through 10, and the
reverse behavior is on 80 through 17 Meters... This baffles me
totally... If it happened with the change boundary at 14 Mhz, (20
Meters), I would say it is the rig changing sidebands... But it happens
on 15 Meters, working just fine on 20...

So my first thought was that it was just the radio changing sidebands,
so I set the MixW as "CW is LSB", all works on 80-17, I go to 15, see
the reverse behavior. I then then hold down ALT for changing to the
opposite sideband... The change happens, but the reverse and lack of
tracking behavior continues, just on the other side of the waterfall.

There are some very odd things about the K3 I still don't
understand...

If I load up FLDigi, I get the reversed behavior on all bands...

Maybe the K3s are possessed, this baffles me totally... At the risk of
sounding frustrated, this did not happen on the Pro III, or PRO II I
had... The serial port was also able to keep up, where I suspect the K3
is processor bound and can't keep up with a 38K data stream.

Maybe you are right, somehow this is serial related, but I can't see
how... I do have two ongoing serial issues:

1. During frequency load I get timeouts, I would not expect this.
2. The K3 appears to be unable to keep up with the data being sent by
MixW, where the Pro series was able to do both items 1 and 2 with no
issues.

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Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 07:26 -0800, rs500 wrote:

> Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I am
> running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to reverse the
> direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the frequency display.
> What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
> occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
> configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
> utility program to connect to the K3.
> I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the problem,
> but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on the serial
> port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the serial port and
> other cables to the computer. Good luck
>
> Ron
> K2RAS
>
>
>
> --
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NK7Z

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

In reply to this post by Rick WA6NHC

Hi Rick,
I don't believe it would be so repeatable if it were a serial issue...
My problems are 100% repeatable...

--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 07:32 -0800, Rick Bates, WA6NHC wrote:

> Since it is running via a serial port, is it possible that the software is overrunning the buffers? Too much data, too fast? If it were close, that would certainly cause an issue that could require a reset of the system.
>
> Rick, WA6NHC
>
> PS It ain't pretty, but I'm doing the happy dance, Tromelin at LAST!
>
> iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)
>
> > On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:26 AM, rs500 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I am
> > running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to reverse the
> > direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the frequency display.
> > What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
> > occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
> > configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
> > utility program to connect to the K3.
> > I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the problem,
> > but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on the serial
> > port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the serial port and
> > other cables to the computer. Good luck
> >
> > Ron
> > K2RAS
> >
> >
> >
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NK7Z

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

In reply to this post by k6mkf

Hi Mike,
Thanks for that input... I am unable to triage this to radio changes,
or MixW changes... You are correct about MixW. I run the MixW Yahoo
support group, and the author has been MIA for about three years now...
He did an update a gew years ago, then dropped off the map again...
Getting changes from MixW will not happen...

I really want to understand this... It is happening with FLDigi as well,
so two of the top packages are affected...

I wish I knew EXACTLY what MixW did when I checked or unchecked CW is
LSB, and why FLDigi simply fails for two people here...
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Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
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for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
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On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 07:51 -0800, Mike Flowers wrote:

> I also ran MixW and had similar problems with the K3. I sent a lot of
> information about this problem to the MixW authors, but there was no
> response and no fix. In fact, it's been years since there was a MixW
> update.
>
> So I chucked MixW and converted my digital operations to HRD - and that was
> the end of those problems.
>
> Not the solution for everyone, but now the HRD suite runs the operation
> here.
>
> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC, IDXC 2015, W6NAG, IDXG,
> ADXG, RRC #933, K3-P3-KPA500-KAT500 Addict, Maui
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick
> Bates, WA6NHC
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:33 AM
> To: rs500
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OK... I give up on what is happening...
>
> Since it is running via a serial port, is it possible that the software is
> overrunning the buffers? Too much data, too fast? If it were close, that
> would certainly cause an issue that could require a reset of the system.
>
> Rick, WA6NHC
>
> PS It ain't pretty, but I'm doing the happy dance, Tromelin at LAST!
>
> iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)
>
> > On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:26 AM, rs500 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I
> > am running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to
> > reverse the direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the
> frequency display.
> > What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
> > occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
> > configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
> > utility program to connect to the K3.
> > I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the
> > problem, but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on
> > the serial port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the
> > serial port and other cables to the computer. Good luck
> >
> > Ron
> > K2RAS
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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vk2rq

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

To understand what sideband the radio is on in CW mode, listen to the radio's speaker and tune up the band. If the signals you hear go UP in pitch as you tune UP the band, it is using LSB. If the pitch of the signals goes DOWN as you tune UP the band, the radio is using USB. Once you understand whether the radio is set to use LSB or USB for a particular band, you can then set your digital mode software to match.

73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 5 Nov 2014, at 2:58 am, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for that input... I am unable to triage this to radio changes,
> or MixW changes... You are correct about MixW. I run the MixW Yahoo
> support group, and the author has been MIA for about three years now...
> He did an update a gew years ago, then dropped off the map again...
> Getting changes from MixW will not happen...
>
> I really want to understand this... It is happening with FLDigi as well,
> so two of the top packages are affected...
>
> I wish I knew EXACTLY what MixW did when I checked or unchecked CW is
> LSB, and why FLDigi simply fails for two people here...
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
>> On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 07:51 -0800, Mike Flowers wrote:
>> I also ran MixW and had similar problems with the K3. I sent a lot of
>> information about this problem to the MixW authors, but there was no
>> response and no fix. In fact, it's been years since there was a MixW
>> update.
>>
>> So I chucked MixW and converted my digital operations to HRD - and that was
>> the end of those problems.
>>
>> Not the solution for everyone, but now the HRD suite runs the operation
>> here.
>>
>> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC, IDXC 2015, W6NAG, IDXG,
>> ADXG, RRC #933, K3-P3-KPA500-KAT500 Addict, Maui
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick
>> Bates, WA6NHC
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:33 AM
>> To: rs500
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OK... I give up on what is happening...
>>
>> Since it is running via a serial port, is it possible that the software is
>> overrunning the buffers? Too much data, too fast? If it were close, that
>> would certainly cause an issue that could require a reset of the system.
>>
>> Rick, WA6NHC
>>
>> PS It ain't pretty, but I'm doing the happy dance, Tromelin at LAST!
>>
>> iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)
>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:26 AM, rs500 <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I
>>> am running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to
>>> reverse the direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the
>> frequency display.
>>> What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
>>> occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
>>> configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
>>> utility program to connect to the K3.
>>> I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the
>>> problem, but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on
>>> the serial port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the
>>> serial port and other cables to the computer. Good luck
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> K2RAS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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NK7Z

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

Thanks Matt,
Not sure why I did not think of that... The radio is staying in LSB in
all cases, so it is something both MixW and FLDigi are doing...
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On Wed, 2014-11-05 at 03:17 +1100, Matt VK2RQ wrote:

> To understand what sideband the radio is on in CW mode, listen to the radio's speaker and tune up the band. If the signals you hear go UP in pitch as you tune UP the band, it is using LSB. If the pitch of the signals goes DOWN as you tune UP the band, the radio is using USB. Once you understand whether the radio is set to use LSB or USB for a particular band, you can then set your digital mode software to match.
>
> 73,
> Matt VK2RQ
>
> > On 5 Nov 2014, at 2:58 am, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Thanks for that input... I am unable to triage this to radio changes,
> > or MixW changes... You are correct about MixW. I run the MixW Yahoo
> > support group, and the author has been MIA for about three years now...
> > He did an update a gew years ago, then dropped off the map again...
> > Getting changes from MixW will not happen...
> >
> > I really want to understand this... It is happening with FLDigi as well,
> > so two of the top packages are affected...
> >
> > I wish I knew EXACTLY what MixW did when I checked or unchecked CW is
> > LSB, and why FLDigi simply fails for two people here...
> > --
> > Thanks and 73's,
> > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> > www.nk7z.net
> > for MixW support see;
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > for Dopplergram information see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> > for MM-SSTV see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 07:51 -0800, Mike Flowers wrote:
> >> I also ran MixW and had similar problems with the K3. I sent a lot of
> >> information about this problem to the MixW authors, but there was no
> >> response and no fix. In fact, it's been years since there was a MixW
> >> update.
> >>
> >> So I chucked MixW and converted my digital operations to HRD - and that was
> >> the end of those problems.
> >>
> >> Not the solution for everyone, but now the HRD suite runs the operation
> >> here.
> >>
> >> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC, IDXC 2015, W6NAG, IDXG,
> >> ADXG, RRC #933, K3-P3-KPA500-KAT500 Addict, Maui
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick
> >> Bates, WA6NHC
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:33 AM
> >> To: rs500
> >> Cc: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OK... I give up on what is happening...
> >>
> >> Since it is running via a serial port, is it possible that the software is
> >> overrunning the buffers? Too much data, too fast? If it were close, that
> >> would certainly cause an issue that could require a reset of the system.
> >>
> >> Rick, WA6NHC
> >>
> >> PS It ain't pretty, but I'm doing the happy dance, Tromelin at LAST!
> >>
> >> iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)
> >>
> >>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:26 AM, rs500 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I
> >>> am running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to
> >>> reverse the direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the
> >> frequency display.
> >>> What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
> >>> occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
> >>> configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
> >>> utility program to connect to the K3.
> >>> I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the
> >>> problem, but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on
> >>> the serial port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the
> >>> serial port and other cables to the computer. Good luck
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>> K2RAS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

In reply to this post by NK7Z

If I can offer a guess ---

The K2 *did* change from subtractive LO injection below 21 MHz and
additive on 21 MHz and above.
My guess (and only a guess) is that MixW and Fldigi make the same
assumptions for the K3 (and that is not correct).
I don't think the K3 is the problem, but you will find the solution in
the software. Check the forums for Fldigi and MixW for the 'solution'.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/4/2014 10:54 AM, David Cole wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> I am not sure it is a serial problem, in fact I would probably bet money
> that it is not... Here is something new to ponder about this that may
> help you...
>
> If I go to the "CW is LSB" option in MixW, and assert it, all behaves
> fine, (both waterfall and signal track as I turn main tuning dial), on
> 80, through 17 Meters, if on the other hand I then switch to any band 15
> through 10 meters, I get the action where as I adjust the frequency up
> using the tuning dial on the K3, the "dial", (in the waterfall), on
> MixW, tracks fine, (as it does on the lower bands), but the signal moves
> in the opposite direction, so it looks as if the frequency of the signal
> is changing as observed by MixW.
>
> If I then uncheck the "CW is LSB" option, the actions are reversed--
> that is to say, that all works as expected on 21 through 10, and the
> reverse behavior is on 80 through 17 Meters... This baffles me
> totally... If it happened with the change boundary at 14 Mhz, (20
> Meters), I would say it is the rig changing sidebands... But it happens
> on 15 Meters, working just fine on 20...
>
> So my first thought was that it was just the radio changing sidebands,
> so I set the MixW as "CW is LSB", all works on 80-17, I go to 15, see
> the reverse behavior. I then then hold down ALT for changing to the
> opposite sideband... The change happens, but the reverse and lack of
> tracking behavior continues, just on the other side of the waterfall.
>
> There are some very odd things about the K3 I still don't
> understand...
>
> If I load up FLDigi, I get the reversed behavior on all bands...
>
> Maybe the K3s are possessed, this baffles me totally... At the risk of
> sounding frustrated, this did not happen on the Pro III, or PRO II I
> had... The serial port was also able to keep up, where I suspect the K3
> is processor bound and can't keep up with a 38K data stream.
>
>

KEN-3

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

In reply to this post by rs500

Which DATA mode you are in affects the sideband selection. DATA MODE A normally uses USB for all bands (see the Elecraft manual on "Data Mode Selection", page 31 in may manual. It's easy to end up with a different Data Mode and then things vary band to band. When you activate the Data Mode button, it shows USB or LSB. If you change data mode, or the sideband selection, I believe those are saved on a per band basis, so when come back to a band, you get the last selection. You might have to go through and correct it on all the bands individually.

Ken WA8JXM

On Nov 4, 2014, at 10:26 AM, rs500 wrote:

KEN-3

Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

In reply to this post by vk2rq

Actually a K3 should always be in LSB when in CW mode unless ALT has been activated and then REV shows up right under CW on the right hand side of the display.

Ken WA8JXM

On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:

> To understand what sideband the radio is on in CW mode, listen to the radio's speaker and tune up the band. If the signals you hear go UP in pitch as you tune UP the band, it is using LSB. If the pitch of the signals goes DOWN as you tune UP the band, the radio is using USB. Once you understand whether the radio is set to use LSB or USB for a particular band, you can then set your digital mode software to match.

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Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

Hi Matt,
This isn't a sideband issue... It seems to be some issue with teh
software, not the radio... The radio is keeping in the correct
sideband, I see it 100% of the time with FLDigi... More as I get into
it.
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On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 07:52 -0500, Ken wrote:
> Actually a K3 should always be in LSB when in CW mode unless ALT has been activated and then REV shows up right under CW on the right hand side of the display.
>
> Ken WA8JXM
>
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:
>
> > To understand what sideband the radio is on in CW mode, listen to the radio's speaker and tune up the band. If the signals you hear go UP in pitch as you tune UP the band, it is using LSB. If the pitch of the signals goes DOWN as you tune UP the band, the radio is using USB. Once you understand whether the radio is set to use LSB or USB for a particular band, you can then set your digital mode software to match.
>

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Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

In reply to this post by KEN-3

BTW Ken, I forgot to thank you for the reply! THANK YOU!

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On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 07:52 -0500, Ken wrote:
> Actually a K3 should always be in LSB when in CW mode unless ALT has been activated and then REV shows up right under CW on the right hand side of the display.
>
> Ken WA8JXM
>
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:
>
> > To understand what sideband the radio is on in CW mode, listen to the radio's speaker and tune up the band. If the signals you hear go UP in pitch as you tune UP the band, it is using LSB. If the pitch of the signals goes DOWN as you tune UP the band, the radio is using USB. Once you understand whether the radio is set to use LSB or USB for a particular band, you can then set your digital mode software to match.
>

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Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

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Hi Ken,
I am in CW mode... It acts exactly as you describe, but when in CW
mode, I never see the REV below CW, and I have checked, the rig stays in
CW mode...

There is some difference between this rig and the Pro III, and II...
This issue never happened using the Icom rigs. It strikes me that as
long as I am in CW, and not CW REV, everything should be the same, and
NOTHING should matter... However, something is not the same... Right
now I am suspecting that something is different in MixW, but I have my
old .ini file from the Pro III days, and the setup looks the same so
far... I am going through it line by line...

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On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 07:44 -0500, Ken wrote:

> Which DATA mode you are in affects the sideband selection. DATA MODE A normally uses USB for all bands (see the Elecraft manual on "Data Mode Selection", page 31 in may manual. It's easy to end up with a different Data Mode and then things vary band to band. When you activate the Data Mode button, it shows USB or LSB. If you change data mode, or the sideband selection, I believe those are saved on a per band basis, so when come back to a band, you get the last selection. You might have to go through and correct it on all the bands individually.
>
> Ken WA8JXM
>
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 10:26 AM, rs500 wrote:
>
> > Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I am
> > running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to reverse the
> > direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the frequency display.
> > What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
> > occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
> > configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
> > utility program to connect to the K3.
> > I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the problem,
> > but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on the serial
> > port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the serial port and
> > other cables to the computer. Good luck
>
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Re: OK... I give up on what is happening...

Below...

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:58 AM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Ken,
> I am in CW mode... It acts exactly as you describe, but when in CW
> mode, I never see the REV below CW, and I have checked, the rig stays in
> CW mode...
>

When in CW do a HOLD on MODE ALT. This will toggle between CW and CW REV.
I always use CW REV. I have to have the higher audio tone in the speaker be
the higher actual frequency on the band, so I keep my CW setting based on
USB, thus CW REV. Personally, I don't understand why folks prefer the
other, but to each his own :>) Most of the guys at NY4A multi-op station
use CW not CW REV. I almost always have to toggle CW to CW REV when I first
sit down to a position.

73, Guy.

>
> There is some difference between this rig and the Pro III, and II...
> This issue never happened using the Icom rigs. It strikes me that as
> long as I am in CW, and not CW REV, everything should be the same, and
> NOTHING should matter... However, something is not the same... Right
> now I am suspecting that something is different in MixW, but I have my
> old .ini file from the Pro III days, and the setup looks the same so
> far... I am going through it line by line...
>
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 07:44 -0500, Ken wrote:
> > Which DATA mode you are in affects the sideband selection. DATA MODE
> A normally uses USB for all bands (see the Elecraft manual on "Data Mode
> Selection", page 31 in may manual. It's easy to end up with a
> different Data Mode and then things vary band to band. When you activate
> the Data Mode button, it shows USB or LSB. If you change data mode, or
> the sideband selection, I believe those are saved on a per band basis, so
> when come back to a band, you get the last selection. You might have to go
> through and correct it on all the bands individually.
> >
> > Ken WA8JXM
> >
> > On Nov 4, 2014, at 10:26 AM, rs500 wrote:
> >
> > > Dave, you are not alone. I have observed the same issue on my K3. I
> am
> > > running a Signalink and FLDigi. Changing the Mode does seem to
> reverse the
> > > direction on the waterfall but then I no longer trust the frequency
> display.
> > > What I have found that consistently solves the problem (until the next
> > > occurrence) is using the K3 Utility program to restore a saved
> > > configuration. Unfortunately I need to close FLDigi in order for the
> > > utility program to connect to the K3.
> > > I have not definitively identified a set of events that causes the
> problem,
> > > but it seems reasonable that it is a communication problem on the
> serial
> > > port. I already have a variety of ferrite beads on the serial port and
> > > other cables to the computer. Good luck
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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