[OT]: Antenna Tuners - one more reason

[Ruben Navarro Huedo-2]

i think it is connect to the IF OUT.
I am using also the rs-232.
Needs the p3 also the rs232?

El 15/04/2010 20:04, [hidden email] escribió:
>
> I'm curious how the P3 is connected to the K3.  Currently I have the RS-232 and the 15pin Accessory port connected to my Microham Microkeyer II.  Will the P3 need the same connections? if so is there a way to get the P3 and MicrokeyerII to coexist.
>
> Rich - N5ZC

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[Dick Dievendorff]

There are three connections between the P3 and your K3. The necessary cables
are supplied.

1) A +12V cable connects between the P3 and the RCA +12V connector on the
back of the K3.
2) A short coaxial cable with BNC connectors connects to the IF OUT
connector on the KXV3 or KXV3A of your K3.
3) A short RS-232 cable connects between the P3 and the DB-9 RS-232
connector on the back of your K3.

Your PC or microHAM RS-232 connector plugs into the DB-9 connector on the
P3. The P3 passes computer-initiated commands and their responses to/from
your K3. The P3 also communicates with the K3 over this same serial
connection.  The PC/microHAM device sees the combination as a K3.

Note that a computer is *not* required to operate the P3, except for
firmware loading.

However if you wish to connect a computer to the K3/P3 combination, it goes
onto the back of the P3.  

Dick, K6KR


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Subject: [Elecraft] How is the P3 Connected to the K3?


I'm curious how the P3 is connected to the K3.  Currently I have the RS-232
and the 15pin Accessory port connected to my Microham Microkeyer II.  Will
the P3 need the same connections? if so is there a way to get the P3 and
MicrokeyerII to coexist.

Rich - N5ZC
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[Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]]

OTOH, this means that I don't need to be in Visalia by noon on Friday.

I had a strong feeling that the orders would start there (just like
the K3, two years ago).  I was slightly wrong.

I think there's been enough discussion on this list to obviate the
necessity to read the manual before ordering.  And, of course, some
people will never read the fine manual.

73, doug

   Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:20:04 +0200
   From: Ruben Navarro Huedo <[hidden email]>

   It is also important for me, read the manual.
   I can't test it before order, then i need read the manual.
   My order will wait until it.


   El 15/04/2010 19:57, Wes Stewart escribió: > Although I had a P3 in
   my hand a month ago and saw it operate (briefly) before I order
   one, I would like to see a manual and get some idea of what it
   brings to the table.
   >
   > ps. Did you add that steel plate inside that I recommended to
   > keep it from skidding off the table when I push a button and that
   > makes the XYL think that there really is something inside worth
   > $700? :-)
   >
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[M0XDF]

Out of interest, can you perform a K3 update through the P3?
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On 15 Apr 2010, at 19:24, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

> There are three connections between the P3 and your K3. The necessary cables
> are supplied.
>
> 1) A +12V cable connects between the P3 and the RCA +12V connector on the
> back of the K3.
> 2) A short coaxial cable with BNC connectors connects to the IF OUT
> connector on the KXV3 or KXV3A of your K3.
> 3) A short RS-232 cable connects between the P3 and the DB-9 RS-232
> connector on the back of your K3.
>
> Your PC or microHAM RS-232 connector plugs into the DB-9 connector on the
> P3. The P3 passes computer-initiated commands and their responses to/from
> your K3. The P3 also communicates with the K3 over this same serial
> connection.  The PC/microHAM device sees the combination as a K3.
>
> Note that a computer is *not* required to operate the P3, except for
> firmware loading.
>
> However if you wish to connect a computer to the K3/P3 combination, it goes
> onto the back of the P3.  
>

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[wayne burdick]

Wes, N7WS, wrote:

> Did you add that steel plate inside that I recommended
> to keep it from skidding off the table when I push a button
> and that makes the XYL think that there really is something inside  
> worth $700? :-)

Actually, yes :)

The P3 enclosure is being fabricated entirely from corrosion-resistant  
steel (plated before painting) rather than aluminum. Production and  
field test units will weigh about twice as much as the prototype you  
tried out (about 5 pounds).

Besides making the unit heavy enough to not slide when you push the  
buttons, the steel enclosure will reduce EMI generally -- in or out.  
The use of steel also makes the enclosure very strong, so that you  
could, if you wanted, put a heavy 20 A linear power supply inside to  
power the K3, etc. While we don't have any current plan to offer an  
optional internal power supply for the P3, some of us (including me)  
will be rolling our own. In my case it will free up some valuable desk  
space. (Anyone need a Samlex power supply? Pick-up only!)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

The P3 connects to theK3 via two cables that are supplied with the P3. A
BNC RF cable that connects to the IF Out on the KXV3 (or KXV3a), and a
RS-232 cable that connects to the K3's RS-232 control port. The P3 has
another RS-232 connector that then optionally goes to your PC via a
direct connection or the KUSB cable.

A PC is not required as part of the P3's regular operation, except for
downloading new P3, or K3, firmware.

All P3-K3 communication is hidden from the remote PC. All PC control /
logging commands to the K3, and K3 responses to those commands, pass
through unimpeded via the P3.

Basically the P3/K3 combination is transparent with no changes needed to
your external PC control and logging programs. The pair looks identical
to the stand-alone K3 from a PC interface standpoint.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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On 4/15/2010 11:04 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> I'm curious how the P3 is connected to the K3.  Currently I have the RS-232 and the 15pin Accessory port connected to my Microham Microkeyer II.  Will the P3 need the same connections? if so is there a way to get the P3 and MicrokeyerII to coexist.
>
> Rich - N5ZC
>
>    
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[Paul-285]

>The earlier KXV3 is fine for the P3.    (The KXV3a added internal
>transverter connections for the K144XV).
>
>No other options are required.

So the two parts required to have a working panadapter kit total $810?

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[M0XDF]

If you are strong enough to pick it up!

I think a number of us will be interested in a supply to fit in the P3, perhaps some circuits for those of us you can build, but not design would be good - dual mains voltage of course.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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On 15 Apr 2010, at 19:51, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Pick-up only

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[Guy, K2AV]

What dimension will be available for stuffing a power supply in the back?

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wes, N7WS, wrote:
>
>> Did you add that steel plate inside that I recommended
>> to keep it from skidding off the table when I push a button
>> and that makes the XYL think that there really is something inside
>> worth $700? :-)
>
> Actually, yes :)
>
> The P3 enclosure is being fabricated entirely from corrosion-resistant
> steel (plated before painting) rather than aluminum. Production and
> field test units will weigh about twice as much as the prototype you
> tried out (about 5 pounds).
>
> Besides making the unit heavy enough to not slide when you push the
> buttons, the steel enclosure will reduce EMI generally -- in or out.
> The use of steel also makes the enclosure very strong, so that you
> could, if you wanted, put a heavy 20 A linear power supply inside to
> power the K3, etc. While we don't have any current plan to offer an
> optional internal power supply for the P3, some of us (including me)
> will be rolling our own. In my case it will free up some valuable desk
> space. (Anyone need a Samlex power supply? Pick-up only!)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-4]

> So the two parts required to have a working panadapter kit
> total $810?

Since the P3 only uses the IF out, one could roll his own cable
(TMP to BNC) and mount the jack on the "empty" panel.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

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>
>
>
> >The earlier KXV3 is fine for the P3.    (The KXV3a added internal
> >transverter connections for the K144XV).
> >
> >No other options are required.
>
> So the two parts required to have a working panadapter kit
> total $810?
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[juergen piezo]

Hi

Wheres all the technical specifications and design details on the P3? All that I see on the Elecraft web page is the old P3 original pictures. I would like to know what I am buying! Is there a link with a manual somewhere?

John


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> From: Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] time to order your P3   >>>>
> To: [hidden email], [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:49 PM
>
> > So the two parts required to have a working panadapter
> kit
> > total $810?
>
> Since the P3 only uses the IF out, one could roll his own
> cable
> (TMP to BNC) and mount the jack on the "empty" panel.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>  
>
>
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>
> > [mailto:[hidden email]]
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> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > >The earlier KXV3 is fine for the P3.   
> (The KXV3a added internal
> > >transverter connections for the K144XV).
> > >
> > >No other options are required.
> >
> > So the two parts required to have a working panadapter
> kit
> > total $810?
> >
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[lstavenhagen]

I wouldn't mind a link to a manual as well. I'm still trying to determine, like, what the panadapter actually does....

73,
LS
W5QD

[Ted Roycraft]

LS,

There are some good videos on youtube that show different panadapters in
action and should give you an idea of their capabilities.  To get you
started, look at ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Fom1QwNa4&feature=related 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Fom1QwNa4&feature=related>

You can get most out of the demo if you display it in HD (720p) and full
screen.

Hope this helps ...

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 4/16/2010 7:59 AM, lstavenhagen wrote:
> I wouldn't mind a link to a manual as well. I'm still trying to determine,
> like, what the panadapter actually does....
>
> 73,
> LS
> W5QD
>    

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[lstavenhagen]

Yes, I'm familiar with these. My question is partly rhetorical - I'm mainly curious about the particular capabilities of the P3 in comparison (i.e. I don't see a keyboard or mouse hookup, etc)....

73,
LS
W5QD

[Don Wilhelm-4]

LS,

It certainly will *not* be posted until after Visalia.  Eric and crew
are getting things ready to go right now, so hold the questions until
next week if you want valid answers from those "in the know".

Actually, I don't know if the manual is ready yet at all,  Perhaps Alan
or Ron will comment on the progress.  The manual is created after the
design has been scrubbed, tested and refined, so that is usually the
last item to be developed, and often is not available in any form until
shortly before the first units ship.  The Field Testers normally receive
preliminary copies of the manual because a major part of any Field Test
is to scrub the manual so it is usable by those with varying skill levels.

What I have gleaned so far is that the detection is done digitally,
making it unlike analog panadapters we have seen so far - LP-Pan and
SoftRock and others which use I-Q signals at baseband for display.  From
the photos, the spectrum display is much sharper and clear than others I
have seen (including the Flexradio display), but I will have to wait
until Dayton to see one 'in the flesh'.

In the meantime, I just look at the photos.

73,
Don W3FPR

lstavenhagen wrote:
> I wouldn't mind a link to a manual as well. I'm still trying to determine,
> like, what the panadapter actually does....
>
>
>  
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[Don Wilhelm-4]

LS,

The cursor only has to move in one dimension (horizontally across the
screen), so there is no mouse to deal with - that function is on a knob
- turn it and the cursor moves across the screen - click it to QSY.

There are 4 buttons along the bottom which provide 8 additional PF keys
for the K3.  Take a look at the photo shown at
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/K3%20and%20P3%20full%20spect%201024.JPG,
and read the button legends to get a good idea of its capabilities.  You
can also look in the reflector archives for related P3 posts by Alan
Bloom and Eric if you need additional information.

73,
Don W3FPR

lstavenhagen wrote:
> Yes, I'm familiar with these. My question is partly rhetorical - I'm mainly
> curious about the particular capabilities of the P3 in comparison (i.e. I
> don't see a keyboard or mouse hookup, etc)....
>
> 73,
> LS
> W5QD
>  
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[lstavenhagen]

Well, personally I'm not going to pester elecraft about it because my actual interest in it is fairly low. So I'd prefer to just read the manual and not hassle anyone about it.

I'm still a bit of a Luddite about this particular direction in rigs as these seem to me a little like reaching around the back, over the shoulders, down between the legs and then up the front just to scratch one's nose. And anything where I have to fight Windows and the ever-present associated Byzantine array of (usually broken) drivers, boards, cables, etc., just makes my eyes roll back into my head (probably because I have to fight that stuff all day at work and am done by 5:20 pm hi hi). So just can't seem to keep my interest up in all that stuff.

But, back to the P3, if it's a simple, self-contained and easy-to-use addition to the normal capabilities of the rig, it could still be intriguing for me.....

73,
LS
W5QD

[Don Wilhelm-4]

The P3 is "no computer required".  Just like the K3, a computer is only
required to load the firmware.
Yes, there are some who feel a computer can enhance operation, but it
certainly is not a requirement - no drivers to load at all, just the
Utility program to run if you want to load firmware.

73,
Don W3FPR

lstavenhagen wrote:

> Well, personally I'm not going to pester elecraft about it because my actual
> interest in it is fairly low. So I'd prefer to just read the manual and not
> hassle anyone about it.
>
> I'm still a bit of a Luddite about this particular direction in rigs as
> these seem to me a little like reaching around the back, over the shoulders,
> down between the legs and then up the front just to scratch one's nose. And
> anything where I have to fight Windows and the ever-present associated
> Byzantine array of (usually broken) drivers, boards, cables, etc., just
> makes my eyes roll back into my head (probably because I have to fight that
> stuff all day at work and am done by 5:20 pm hi hi). So just can't seem to
> keep my interest up in all that stuff.
>
> But, back to the P3, if it's a simple, self-contained and easy-to-use
> addition to the normal capabilities of the rig, it could still be intriguing
> for me.....
>
>  

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[lstavenhagen]

Ok, that's kind of the impression I got by looking at the pics. Tho, the things I most need a computer to do are exactly the things I most wish I didn't have to use a computer to do, such as transmit CW and use the digital modes (tho W7AY's cocoamodem is fantastic and DL2RUM's RUMlog does everything I could need for CW and logging).

But if the P3 could cover those things instead, I'd be VERY interested.... But I'll just wait till the manual comes out (and read the archives).

Tnx es 73,
LS
W5QD

[Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]]

   Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:38:38 -0400
   From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>


   What I have gleaned so far is that the detection is done digitally,
   making it unlike analog panadapters we have seen so far - LP-Pan and
   SoftRock and others which use I-Q signals at baseband for display.  From
   the photos, the spectrum display is much sharper and clear than others I
   have seen (including the Flexradio display), but I will have to wait
   until Dayton to see one 'in the flesh'.

   In the meantime, I just look at the photos.

There have been a number of statements ON THIS MAILING LIST that give
a lot of information about the P3 that that answer many of these
recent questions.  ARCHIVES ARE AVAILABLE.

73, doug

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