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Peter Pauly

OT: CW Contest logging question

I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the ARRL
International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:

K = 1000
1TT = 100
5TT = 500

I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as they
sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?

Thanks
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Ian Kahn, KM4IK

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

I don't test CW, just SSB, but I've had logs rejected for logging the cut
numbers instead of actual numbers for the power levels. I'd convert them.

Hope this helps.

Good luck in the test!

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
On Feb 21, 2016 2:14 PM, "Peter Pauly" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the ARRL
> International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:
>
> K = 1000
> 1TT = 100
> 5TT = 500
>
> I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
> Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as they
> sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?
>
> Thanks
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Ian

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

KW works - never had an issue with that. Convert the others just in case,
esp ATT :)
Liking logging zone 11 instead of AA
73, Ian N8IK

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question

I don't test CW, just SSB, but I've had logs rejected for logging the cut
numbers instead of actual numbers for the power levels. I'd convert them.

Hope this helps.

Good luck in the test!

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
On Feb 21, 2016 2:14 PM, "Peter Pauly" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the
> ARRL International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:
>
> K = 1000
> 1TT = 100
> 5TT = 500
>
> I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
> Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as
> they sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?
>
> Thanks
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Ed Muns

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

In reply to this post by Peter Pauly

In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get '1K',
you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all these.

Ed W0YK
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Peter Pauly wrote:

I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the ARRL
International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:

K = 1000
1TT = 100
5TT = 500

I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as they
sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?

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Chester Alderman

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

OK...but what if you receive 'NN'? Do you log that as 99 or do you log it as
100?

What this means is there ARE exceptions to the ARRL's rule to "log what you
receive"!

Tom W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed
Muns
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:56 PM
To: 'Peter Pauly'
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question

In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get '1K',
you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all these.

Ed W0YK
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Peter Pauly wrote:

I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the ARRL
International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:

K = 1000
1TT = 100
5TT = 500

I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as they
sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?

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Nr4c

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

I've Benin logging K & KW but converting att to 100, nn to 99, enn to 599 and 1tt to 100 etc. hope I'm ok?!

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...nr4c. bill

> On Feb 21, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Chester Alderman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK...but what if you receive 'NN'? Do you log that as 99 or do you log it as
> 100?
>
> What this means is there ARE exceptions to the ARRL's rule to "log what you
> receive"!
>
> Tom W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed
> Muns
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:56 PM
> To: 'Peter Pauly'
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question
>
> In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
> abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get '1K',
> you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all these.
>
> Ed W0YK
> ____________________________________________________
>
> Peter Pauly wrote:
>
> I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the ARRL
> International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:
>
> K = 1000
> 1TT = 100
> 5TT = 500
>
> I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
> Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as they
> sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?
>
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Mike Rhodes

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

In reply to this post by Chester Alderman

Sorry Tom but you lost me with that one. Why would you want to log 'NN'
as 100? 'NN' is probably the original cut number (5NN) and I don't
remember seeing any indications of rounding up (i.e., 99 to 100) any
numbers. Doubt you would consider copying 5NN as 5100. Just curious.

Mike / W8DN

On 2/21/2016 4:15 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:

> OK...but what if you receive 'NN'? Do you log that as 99 or do you log it as
> 100?
>
> What this means is there ARE exceptions to the ARRL's rule to "log what you
> receive"!
>
> Tom W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed
> Muns
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:56 PM
> To: 'Peter Pauly'
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question
>
> In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
> abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get '1K',
> you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all these.
>
> Ed W0YK
> ____________________________________________________
>
> Peter Pauly wrote:
>
> I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the ARRL
> International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:
>
> K = 1000
> 1TT = 100
> 5TT = 500
>
> I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
> Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as they
> sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?
>
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EUGENE GABRY

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

In reply to this post by Chester Alderman

NN would be short cut for 99 not 100. If you log 100 the Q is no good, as
the op sent 99 (NN) not 100 (ATT).

-----Original Message-----
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Chester Alderman
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:16 PM
To: [hidden email]; 'Peter Pauly'
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question

OK...but what if you receive 'NN'? Do you log that as 99 or do you log it as
100?

What this means is there ARE exceptions to the ARRL's rule to "log what you
receive"!

Tom W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed
Muns
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:56 PM
To: 'Peter Pauly'
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question

In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get '1K',
you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all these.

Ed W0YK
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Peter Pauly wrote:

I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the ARRL
International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:

K = 1000
1TT = 100
5TT = 500

I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as they
sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?

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Ed Muns

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

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NN is cut for 99, so log 99.

73,
Ed W0YK
On Feb 21, 2016 1:15 PM, Chester Alderman <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> OK...but what if you receive 'NN'? Do you log that as 99 or do you log it as
> 100?
>
> What this means is there ARE exceptions to the ARRL's rule to "log what you
> receive"!
>
> Tom W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed
> Muns
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:56 PM
> To: 'Peter Pauly'
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question
>
> In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
> abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get '1K',
> you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all these.
>
> Ed W0YK
> ____________________________________________________
>
> Peter Pauly wrote:
>
> I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the ARRL
> International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:
>
> K = 1000
> 1TT = 100
> 5TT = 500
>
> I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
> Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as they
> sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?
>
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Chester Alderman

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

In reply to this post by Mike Rhodes

Thanks Mike. I did go into my log and converted the 'NN' to 99; however I
bet the person sending NN actually meant it to mean 100 watts!

73,
Tom - W4BQF

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Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 5:15 PM
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question

Sorry Tom but you lost me with that one. Why would you want to log 'NN'
as 100? 'NN' is probably the original cut number (5NN) and I don't remember
seeing any indications of rounding up (i.e., 99 to 100) any numbers. Doubt
you would consider copying 5NN as 5100. Just curious.

Mike / W8DN

On 2/21/2016 4:15 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:

> OK...but what if you receive 'NN'? Do you log that as 99 or do you log
> it as 100?
>
> What this means is there ARE exceptions to the ARRL's rule to "log
> what you receive"!
>
> Tom W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Ed Muns
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:56 PM
> To: 'Peter Pauly'
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question
>
> In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
> abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get
> '1K', you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all

these.

>
> Ed W0YK
> ____________________________________________________
>
> Peter Pauly wrote:
>
> I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the
> ARRL International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:
>
> K = 1000
> 1TT = 100
> 5TT = 500
>
> I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
> Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as
> they sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?
>
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Milt -- N5IA

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

IMHO the power level report is relative only, similar to the year first
licensed in SS.

The main thing these ops are trying to do is SHORTEN the amount of time it
takes to send the exchange.

IMHO, ....NN.... which indicates 99, which is REALLY close to 100, which is
in the LP entry classification, is about the shortest power exchange you
could use. It also very recognizable in QRN/weak signal conditions.

When the send the traditional leader at 60+ WP, and then at somewhat less
speed for the power exchange, the NN is very recognizable.

To me this is exactly like the HP boys are doing when they use ....K.... as
the only indicator of HP operation.

Mis does centavos, de Milt, N5IA

-----Original Message-----
From: Chester Alderman
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:00 PM
To: 'Mike Rhodes'
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question

Thanks Mike. I did go into my log and converted the 'NN' to 99; however I
bet the person sending NN actually meant it to mean 100 watts!

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike
Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 5:15 PM
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question

Sorry Tom but you lost me with that one. Why would you want to log 'NN'
as 100? 'NN' is probably the original cut number (5NN) and I don't remember
seeing any indications of rounding up (i.e., 99 to 100) any numbers. Doubt
you would consider copying 5NN as 5100. Just curious.

Mike / W8DN

On 2/21/2016 4:15 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:

these.

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Bill Frantz

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

In reply to this post by Peter Pauly

During the ARRL CW DX contest, I recorded in my log: 100, 1000,
150, 1k, 1oo, 1tt, 200, 300, 40, 400, 4tt, 5, 50, 500, 5oo, 5tt,
73, 99, aat, att, k, and kw.

Note that there are probably errors since I don't speak CW well.

I started by translating the cut numbers to real ones but
thought, "log the as you received them" might be the rule. Now I
hear I should do the translation and resubmit my log. At least I
don't have to think about which ones were 1tt, or 1oo, and not
100. :-)

(The 99 above was probably when I was translating and came in as "nn".)

There's a lot to the CW language that isn't written down, or
described in the "learning CW" literature. (And to think that I
had always translated "es" as "is" instead of "and" and wondered
why is was used just to save one dit. Thanks for the info Ron.)

73 Bill AE6JV

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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

In reply to this post by Chester Alderman

They are sending NN deliberately because it's two characters vs. ATT and
three characters. So for a complete exchange you hear ENNNN which is 599
99. It's possible to hit a rate of 300 with an exchange of ENNNN.

They're sending NN because they mean 99, not 100, and 99 is in their
Cabrillo. Logging 100 will blow the exchange in log checking.

73, Guy K2AV

On Monday, February 22, 2016, Chester Alderman <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Thanks Mike. I did go into my log and converted the 'NN' to 99; however I
> bet the person sending NN actually meant it to mean 100 watts!
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email] <javascript:;>]
> On Behalf Of Mike
> Rhodes
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 5:15 PM
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question
>
> Sorry Tom but you lost me with that one. Why would you want to log 'NN'
> as 100? 'NN' is probably the original cut number (5NN) and I don't remember
> seeing any indications of rounding up (i.e., 99 to 100) any numbers. Doubt
> you would consider copying 5NN as 5100. Just curious.
>
> Mike / W8DN
>
> On 2/21/2016 4:15 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
> > OK...but what if you receive 'NN'? Do you log that as 99 or do you log
> > it as 100?
> >
> > What this means is there ARE exceptions to the ARRL's rule to "log
> > what you receive"!
> >
> > Tom W4BQF
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email] <javascript:;>]
> On Behalf Of
> > Ed Muns
> > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:56 PM
> > To: 'Peter Pauly'
> > Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question
> >
> > In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
> > abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get
> > '1K', you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all
> these.
> >
> > Ed W0YK
> > ____________________________________________________
> >
> > Peter Pauly wrote:
> >
> > I have a question about the proper way to log power entries for the
> > ARRL International DX CW contest. People send "cut numerals" like:
> >
> > K = 1000
> > 1TT = 100
> > 5TT = 500
> >
> > I've even had someone send 1OO with the letter "oh" instead of zeroes.
> > Should I log and submit the carbrillo file with these cut numerals as
> > they sent them, or should I convert them to numbers before logging?
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Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

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On Sun,2/21/2016 9:00 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
> I did go into my log and converted the 'NN' to 99;

Back when I was learning CW and ham radio, I was taught to copy what is
sent. I still do that, and that's what goes in my log. If he sends ATT,
I log ATT. If he sends 1K, or 1KW, that's what i log. If he sends NN, I
log NN. When I'm copying JAs, I make allowances for language when he
sends 1oo and log 100. Several years ago, a lot of JAs were getting
really strange with cut numbers for power, and I refused the Q if they
wouldn't send me real numbers. Thankfully they have gotten the word.

Cut numbers are for lids. I put up with ENN for 599, because the report
is an anachronistic placeholder. But the structure of Morse numbers
provides some redundancy (in the form of spacing) to reduce errors, and
I refuse to give up that redundancy. I'm the one who gets dinged if I
copy his exchange wrong.

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Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

Agreed, the use of Cut numbers has become ridiculous, beyond the
universally well known 9=N and 0=T.
I agree with Jim, cut numbers are for lids :)

73, Deni - F5VJC

On 22 February 2016 at 07:02, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sun,2/21/2016 9:00 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
>
>> I did go into my log and converted the 'NN' to 99;
>>
>
> Back when I was learning CW and ham radio, I was taught to copy what is
> sent. I still do that, and that's what goes in my log. If he sends ATT, I
> log ATT. If he sends 1K, or 1KW, that's what i log. If he sends NN, I log
> NN. When I'm copying JAs, I make allowances for language when he sends 1oo
> and log 100. Several years ago, a lot of JAs were getting really strange
> with cut numbers for power, and I refused the Q if they wouldn't send me
> real numbers. Thankfully they have gotten the word.
>
> Cut numbers are for lids. I put up with ENN for 599, because the report is
> an anachronistic placeholder. But the structure of Morse numbers provides
> some redundancy (in the form of spacing) to reduce errors, and I refuse to
> give up that redundancy. I'm the one who gets dinged if I copy his exchange
> wrong.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

In reply to this post by Ed Muns

On Feb 21, 2016, at 15:55, Ed Muns <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> In ARRL DX, convert cut numbers and enter real numbers. The letter
> abbreviations like K and KW can be left as is in your log. If you get '1K',
> you can enter that as is, too. Log checking will accommodate all these.

I received a number of different constructions for the power exchange in ARRL DX, and I just used common sense to determine what I entered in the log. NN is 99, 1K, K, KW and such got entered as is.

The low power ops were a treat. I got a lot of 5 and 1 reports for power, some would try to lessen confusion and sent 5W or 1W. I entered those in the log as received.

I had one exchange with a (very weak) station who sent 1M. Maybe a milliwatt? Who knows? I put it in the log as I received it, hopefully it will go through OK. As long as he puts that in his log as the data sent, I would think it shouldn’t be a problem.

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Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

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Can this thread please go back to CQ-Contest where it (unfortunately)
belongs?

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 2/22/2016 1:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On Sun,2/21/2016 9:00 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
>> I did go into my log and converted the 'NN' to 99;
>
> Back when I was learning CW and ham radio, I was taught to copy what
> is sent. I still do that, and that's what goes in my log. If he sends
> ATT, I log ATT. If he sends 1K, or 1KW, that's what i log. If he sends
> NN, I log NN. When I'm copying JAs, I make allowances for language
> when he sends 1oo and log 100. Several years ago, a lot of JAs were
> getting really strange with cut numbers for power, and I refused the Q
> if they wouldn't send me real numbers. Thankfully they have gotten the
> word.
>
> Cut numbers are for lids. I put up with ENN for 599, because the
> report is an anachronistic placeholder. But the structure of Morse
> numbers provides some redundancy (in the form of spacing) to reduce
> errors, and I refuse to give up that redundancy. I'm the one who gets
> dinged if I copy his exchange wrong.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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wa4ta

Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

Where do I find the Elecraft Reflector?

It seems to have been lost in the dust.

> To: [hidden email]
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> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 08:50:15 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Contest logging question
>
> Can this thread please go back to CQ-Contest where it (unfortunately)
> belongs?
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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> <http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
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> <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 2/22/2016 1:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > On Sun,2/21/2016 9:00 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
> >> I did go into my log and converted the 'NN' to 99;
> >
> > Back when I was learning CW and ham radio, I was taught to copy what
> > is sent. I still do that, and that's what goes in my log. If he sends
> > ATT, I log ATT. If he sends 1K, or 1KW, that's what i log. If he sends
> > NN, I log NN. When I'm copying JAs, I make allowances for language
> > when he sends 1oo and log 100. Several years ago, a lot of JAs were
> > getting really strange with cut numbers for power, and I refused the Q
> > if they wouldn't send me real numbers. Thankfully they have gotten the
> > word.
> >
> > Cut numbers are for lids. I put up with ENN for 599, because the
> > report is an anachronistic placeholder. But the structure of Morse
> > numbers provides some redundancy (in the form of spacing) to reduce
> > errors, and I refuse to give up that redundancy. I'm the one who gets
> > dinged if I copy his exchange wrong.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

I hope this message can close the thread.

I asked the ARRL by emailing [hidden email]. Their answer was:

Bill

Always log what was sent. The log checking software is dynamic enough to handle the cut numbers.

73

Dan Henderson, N1ND
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Re: OT: CW Contest logging question

So we need to change the "599" that n1mm put in the log to "enn"?

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> On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I hope this message can close the thread.
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> I asked the ARRL by emailing [hidden email]. Their answer was:
>
> Bill
>
> Always log what was sent. The log checking software is dynamic enough to handle the cut numbers.
>
> 73
>
> Dan Henderson, N1ND
> Regulatory Information Manager
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> 860-594-0236
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> 73 Bill AE6JV
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