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K2QI

[OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

I'm curious if anyone on the reflector has had the opportunity to have a
"hands-on" with the new Yaesu FT-5000 now that they're available for sale.
I'm also wondering if there have been any direct performance comparisons
made between these two radios.

The FT5K certainly looks nice from an ergonomics perspective; particularly
if you like full-sized rigs and you have a desk that can support the weight,
hi. Just going by the numbers, the 5K looks like a serious competitor to
the K3. Personally, I don't have the room, nor the money to buy an FT-5000,
but it sure is nice to look at.

73 de James K2QI
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Bill Gerth

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

There is a recent eHam.net review of the FT-DX5000 from K7ERQ who is
also a K3 owner. Somewhat general but a mostly favorable comparison
with the K3. K3UR also has an FT-DX5000 review at the same link and
he is a Flex-5000 user. Most FT-DX5000's have been in user hands for
less than a week so it is a bit early for detailed comparisons. Not
surprising that the K3 is still the standard of comparison.

Check it out at: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8826

73, BILL, W4RK

On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:06 AM, K2QI wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone on the reflector has had the opportunity to
> have a
> "hands-on" with the new Yaesu FT-5000 now that they're available for
> sale.
> I'm also wondering if there have been any direct performance
> comparisons
> made between these two radios.
>
> The FT5K certainly looks nice from an ergonomics perspective;
> particularly
> if you like full-sized rigs and you have a desk that can support the
> weight,
> hi. Just going by the numbers, the 5K looks like a serious
> competitor to
> the K3. Personally, I don't have the room, nor the money to buy an
> FT-5000,
> but it sure is nice to look at.
>
> 73 de James K2QI
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Bill W4ZV

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

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K2QI wrote

I'm also wondering if there have been any direct performance comparisons
made between these two radios.

I wouldn't put much stock in *any* performance measurements other than ARRL, RSGB (Radcom), Sherwood or W2VJN (if George still does them).

The 5000's Main RX should be very comparable to the K3 but the Sub RX will likely be less due to using up-conversion (similar to Orion's Sub RX). It remains to be seen if they have a frequency offset in diversity which was a problem with Orion. The 5000 does have some other nice features such as 200W, Class A SSB, etc.

73, Bill

Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by Bill Gerth

OK,

Let's sell the K3 and buy the FT5k.

It's perfectly clear.

73
Arie PA3A

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w7go

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

Got one.
The FT5K is back in the box and the K3 is on the desk.

73,

Tony W7GO

Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:

> OK,
>
> Let's sell the K3 and buy the FT5k.
>
> It's perfectly clear.
>
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A
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Barry N1EU

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

Tony Morgan wrote

Got one.
The FT5K is back in the box and the K3 is on the desk.

Please elaborate.

Tnx, Barry N1EU

pd0psb

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by w7go

That was a quickie :-)
Please tell us all about it!

73'
Paul
PD0PSB

Bjorn

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by K2QI

On 11 mar 2010, at 17.06, K2QI wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone on the reflector has had the opportunity to have a
> "hands-on" with the new Yaesu FT-5000 now that they're available for sale.

Found these videos on Youtube from YO3GJC, not really scientific but a comparison between the K3 and the FTDX-5000 using the same speakers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwJ8Cu8lA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e_dxzO1PaE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGy5HNZxEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FusgUpif_Lk

More videos from the same OM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSWzPfnWks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_YOSN9Fxr0

And some videos revealing some artifacts from the DSP and the lower grade second RX in diversity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfSsjz6Uaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9CS4l4G8I

A search on FTDX-5000 will return a few more videos.

73 de Björn,
SM0MDG
SE0X

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Steve Ellington

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

Yaesu had the FT-5k on display at the Charlotte fest. I got a close up look.
Ergos are great with huge knobs etc. The bandscope is pathetic. It displays
tiny, blurry, blue blobs of busy, bewildering bunk. Even the ICOM scope is
superior. Compared to the LP-PAN/PSDR it's a joke.

Steve
N4LQ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Björn Mohr" <[hidden email]>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

On 11 mar 2010, at 17.06, K2QI wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone on the reflector has had the opportunity to have a
> "hands-on" with the new Yaesu FT-5000 now that they're available for sale.

Found these videos on Youtube from YO3GJC, not really scientific but a
comparison between the K3 and the FTDX-5000 using the same speakers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwJ8Cu8lA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e_dxzO1PaE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGy5HNZxEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FusgUpif_Lk

More videos from the same OM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSWzPfnWks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_YOSN9Fxr0

And some videos revealing some artifacts from the DSP and the lower grade
second RX in diversity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfSsjz6Uaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9CS4l4G8I

A search on FTDX-5000 will return a few more videos.

73 de Björn,
SM0MDG
SE0X

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

> Yaesu had the FT-5k on display at the Charlotte fest. I got a
> close up look. Ergos are great with huge knobs etc.

The FT-5000 was also on display at Orlando and I can't agree
that ergonomics are good. The three almost identical knobs for
VFO B frequency, and multi-function shift/width/notch for the
main and sub receivers are very confusing. Labels on the
other controls are very hard to read under reduced lighting
conditions. The FT-5000 perpetuates the FT-2000 ergonomic
error of placing the sub RX gain controls to the left of the
main RX gain controls when Sub Rx frequency control (VFO B) is
to the right of the main VFO ... and compounds the error by
returning the RX B shift/width/notch control to the right!

For all the buttons and knobs, control placement and the
multi-function shift/width/notch controls promise to make
the FT-5000 more difficult to operate than the K3.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steve Ellington
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:42 AM
> To: Björn Mohr; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3
>
>
> Yaesu had the FT-5k on display at the Charlotte fest. I got a
> close up look.
> Ergos are great with huge knobs etc. The bandscope is
> pathetic. It displays
> tiny, blurry, blue blobs of busy, bewildering bunk. Even the
> ICOM scope is
> superior. Compared to the LP-PAN/PSDR it's a joke.
>
> Steve
> N4LQ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Björn Mohr" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3
>
>
> On 11 mar 2010, at 17.06, K2QI wrote:
>
> > I'm curious if anyone on the reflector has had the
> opportunity to have
> > a "hands-on" with the new Yaesu FT-5000 now that they're
> available for
> > sale.
>
>
> Found these videos on Youtube from YO3GJC, not really
> scientific but a
> comparison between the K3 and the FTDX-5000 using the same speakers:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwJ8Cu8lA0
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e_dxzO1PaE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGy5HNZxEc
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FusgUpif_Lk
>
> More videos from the same OM:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSWzPfnWks
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_YOSN9Fxr0
>
> And some videos revealing some artifacts from the DSP and the
> lower grade
> second RX in diversity:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfSsjz6Uaw
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9CS4l4G8I
>
> A search on FTDX-5000 will return a few more videos.
>
> 73 de Björn,
> SM0MDG
> SE0X
>
>
>
>
>
>
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AD4C2009

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by Bjorn

After I saw all those four videos on youtube,FTDX-5000 did not impressed me at all,in fact either on CW or SSB the K3 receivers sounds less noisier and cleaner audio.
Another $ 5k wasted in a japanese rig.

AD4C

"For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Björn Mohr <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Björn Mohr <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 9:56 AM

On 11 mar 2010, at 17.06, K2QI wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone on the reflector has had the opportunity to have a
> "hands-on" with the new Yaesu FT-5000 now that they're available for sale.

Found these videos on Youtube from YO3GJC, not really scientific but a comparison between the K3 and the FTDX-5000 using the same speakers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwJ8Cu8lA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e_dxzO1PaE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGy5HNZxEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FusgUpif_Lk

More videos from the same OM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSWzPfnWks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_YOSN9Fxr0

And some videos revealing some artifacts from the DSP and the lower grade second RX in diversity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfSsjz6Uaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9CS4l4G8I

A search on FTDX-5000 will return a few more videos.

73 de Björn,
SM0MDG
SE0X

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W6NEK

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by Steve Ellington

Hi Steve,
I own a fully loaded K3 with a LP-PAN/PSDR panadapter. I agree, the
LP-PAN/PSDR combo make existing panadapters on most rigs a joke. 192 KHz
bandwidth, sensitivity down to -140 dbm and frequency resolution down to 10
Hz all in real time, at a screen refresh rate of up to 50 fps. Add serial
port through LP_Bridge and you have "point-n-click" rig control for ultimate
search and pounce operation.

I also purchased the FTdx5000MP. It came with the matching SM-5000 Station
Monitor. After using the K3/LP-PAN/PSDR combo and comparing it to the scope
display on the SM-5000 I too must admit that the SM-5000 is very
disappointing. There are a few restricted bandwidth modes that improve the
displayed sweep speed at the sacrifice of displayed bandwidth but the
overall performance is poor at best. So in the words of Tim Allen (1990's
Tool Time TV Show) I rewired it! With the help of Larry (N8LP) I ordered a
LP-PAN unit with a Xtal that supports the FT5000 9 MHz IF output. Larry
delivered the assembled unit to me within a week. My FT5000 with
LP-PAN/PSDR works FB (same functionality as with my K3/PSDR combo). The
panadapter on my FT5000 is no longer a joke or disappointment.

Since I was the first to get LP-PAN/PSDR working on the FT5000, Larry asked
if I would send him a photo of the station to post on his web site.
http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html I also uploaded a PDF file to
Larry's site that shows photos of the SM-5000 display compared to the
LP-PAN/PSDR tuned to the same frequency and both set to 100 KHz bandwidth.
The link is located right below the photo of my station at the link above.

I love my K3 and now that I have LP-PAN/PSDR on the FT5000, I'm acquiring
the same affection for it too. The scope has so much impact on my operating
performance that I'll never again purchase any rig that isn't provisioned
for one. I need my "Radio Eyes".

Best 73,
Frank - W6NEK

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Björn Mohr" <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft Reflector"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

Yaesu had the FT-5k on display at the Charlotte fest. I got a close up look.
Ergos are great with huge knobs etc. The bandscope is pathetic. It displays
tiny, blurry, blue blobs of busy, bewildering bunk. Even the ICOM scope is
superior. Compared to the LP-PAN/PSDR it's a joke.

Steve
N4LQ

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Barry N1EU

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by Bjorn

Bjorn wrote

And some videos revealing the lower grade second RX in diversity

The video didn't show a lower grade second rx - it just showed that there was a phase difference between the two receivers.

73, Barry N1EU

Barry N1EU

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote

The FT-5000 was also on display at Orlando and I can't agree
that ergonomics are good. The three almost identical knobs for
VFO B frequency, and multi-function shift/width/notch for the
main and sub receivers are very confusing. Labels on the
other controls are very hard to read under reduced lighting
conditions. The FT-5000 perpetuates the FT-2000 ergonomic
error of placing the sub RX gain controls to the left of the
main RX gain controls when Sub Rx frequency control (VFO B) is
to the right of the main VFO ... and compounds the error by
returning the RX B shift/width/notch control to the right!

I agree with Joe. Considering how much front panel real estate was available, I think they did a poor job with ergonomics. In particular, poor ergonomics in the compartmentalization of controls/displays and ability to only read one parameter at a time within those compartmental displays.

73, Barry N1EU

alorona

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by Bjorn

I hate to be a party-pooper but comparisons like this really don't tell much of anything (and YouTube is filled with them). Recording a single signal acoustically from a pair of speakers several feet away in an echoey room is the worst way to try to listen critically and try to absorb the sound of a rig. Aside from some slight tonal differences the two receivers sound pretty much the same to me-- and in real life they probably do sound very similar. Did we really expect a significant difference? I agree: not scientific (nor useful) at all.

________________________________

> Found these videos on Youtube from YO3GJC, not really scientific
> but a comparison between the K3 and the FTDX-5000 using the
> same speakers:
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Brett Howard

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by AD4C2009

I think I'd like to hear more of the lower frequencies on the K3 like
the FT5K. I had it in one of the versions of released software on my K3
and I really wish that I could have the ability to choose that sound
again if I were so inclined.

~Brett

On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 08:05 -0700, Hector Padron wrote:

> After I saw all those four videos on youtube,FTDX-5000 did not impressed me at all,in fact either on CW or SSB the K3 receivers sounds less noisier and cleaner audio.
> Another $ 5k wasted in a japanese rig.
>
> AD4C
>
> "For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"
>
> --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Björn Mohr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Björn Mohr <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 9:56 AM
>
>
> On 11 mar 2010, at 17.06, K2QI wrote:
>
> > I'm curious if anyone on the reflector has had the opportunity to have a
> > "hands-on" with the new Yaesu FT-5000 now that they're available for sale.
>
>
> Found these videos on Youtube from YO3GJC, not really scientific but a comparison between the K3 and the FTDX-5000 using the same speakers:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwJ8Cu8lA0
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e_dxzO1PaE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGy5HNZxEc
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FusgUpif_Lk
>
> More videos from the same OM:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSWzPfnWks
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_YOSN9Fxr0
>
> And some videos revealing some artifacts from the DSP and the lower grade second RX in diversity:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfSsjz6Uaw
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9CS4l4G8I
>
> A search on FTDX-5000 will return a few more videos.
>
> 73 de Björn,
> SM0MDG
> SE0X
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Brett Howard

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by alorona

This is true. I've heard a few where people take direct recordings and
then we're actually talking. I usually watch the videos and then when I
hear this audio was directly recorded... Then I reach over and grab a
pair of headphones. Beyond that my laptop speakers will do justice to
the level of quality that is there... ;)

~Brett

On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 17:55 -0700, Al Lorona wrote:

> I hate to be a party-pooper but comparisons like this really don't tell much of anything (and YouTube is filled with them). Recording a single signal acoustically from a pair of speakers several feet away in an echoey room is the worst way to try to listen critically and try to absorb the sound of a rig. Aside from some slight tonal differences the two receivers sound pretty much the same to me-- and in real life they probably do sound very similar. Did we really expect a significant difference? I agree: not scientific (nor useful) at all.
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> > Found these videos on Youtube from YO3GJC, not really scientific
> > but a comparison between the K3 and the FTDX-5000 using the
> > same speakers:
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W8JI

Re: [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

In reply to this post by alorona

I thought it was just me so I didn't say anything.

I wasted time listening to five of the recordings, and
decided I waste enough time wasting time. I mean, listening
to stereo diversity in mono over a speaker recorded with a
mic, and some off and on keyed clicky signal when the pitch
was not the same?

I'd like to hear a $6K radio but not through a $3 mic. :-)

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From: "Al Lorona" <[hidden email]>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-5000 vs. K3

I hate to be a party-pooper but comparisons like this really
don't tell much of anything (and YouTube is filled with
them). Recording a single signal acoustically from a pair of
speakers several feet away in an echoey room is the worst
way to try to listen critically and try to absorb the sound
of a rig. Aside from some slight tonal differences the two
receivers sound pretty much the same to me-- and in real
life they probably do sound very similar. Did we really
expect a significant difference? I agree: not scientific
(nor useful) at all.

________________________________

> Found these videos on Youtube from YO3GJC, not really
> scientific
> but a comparison between the K3 and the FTDX-5000 using
> the
> same speakers:
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