OT KX3 - Yahoo Group
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Just thought I would pass along my recent experience on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Yesterday I received a heatsink from KB8UHN. I posted on the KX3 Yahoo Group that I received a heatsink from KB8UHN and it was a quality product and about half the price of other heatsinks.
About an hour later I get an email from the moderator telling me I'm banned from group for promoting products. I replied "Sorry did not know your rules, you would think a warning? He did not respond to my query. Johnny Siu VR2XMC told me he has been banned from posting on the group for agreeing with my post about the heatsink. So be careful on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Somehow I will suffer through this traumatic banning. 73 Tex ka5y |
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Sounds like the moderator is selling a competing product. ;^)
73- Nick, WA5BDU -----Original Message----- From: pkhjr via Elecraft Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:44 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 - Yahoo Group Just thought I would pass along my recent experience on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Yesterday I received a heatsink from KB8UHN. I posted on the KX3 Yahoo Group that I received a heatsink from KB8UHN and it was a quality product and about half the price of other heatsinks. About an hour later I get an email from the moderator telling me I'm banned from group for promoting products. I replied "Sorry did not know your rules, you would think a warning? He did not respond to my query. Johnny Siu VR2XMC told me he has been banned from posting on the group for agreeing with my post about the heatsink. So be careful on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Somehow I will suffer through this traumatic banning. 73 Tex ka5y ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 7/30/2014 10:54 AM, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> So be careful on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Somehow I will suffer through this > traumatic banning. Is the Yahoo! Group an official Elecraft function? I don't believe it is, which is one reason I choose to stay clear. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Nick,
None of the Yahoo groups are Elecraft owned, controlled or moderated. Likewise for the Nabble representation of the Elecraft reflector. The only official Elecraft reflector is the one at mailman.qth.net. It is owned, controlled, and moderated by Eric at Elecraft. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/30/2014 2:01 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > On 7/30/2014 10:54 AM, Nick Kennedy wrote: >> So be careful on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Somehow I will suffer through this >> traumatic banning. > Is the Yahoo! Group an official Elecraft function? > > I don't believe it is, which is one reason I choose to stay clear. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Oh, yes, Tex is correct. The moderator does not even have a name or callsign. I was astonished by the moderator's stance because I simply wrote a sentence to concur with Tex's comments.
Very strange experience with KX3-yahoo group. It is far better for me to stay in this formal elecraft mail listing. So, be careful on the KX3 yahoo group. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ________________________________ 寄件人︰ pkhjr via Elecraft <[hidden email]> 收件人︰ [hidden email] 傳送日期︰ 2014年07月30日 (週三) 11:44 PM 主題︰ [Elecraft] OT KX3 - Yahoo Group Just thought I would pass along my recent experience on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Yesterday I received a heatsink from KB8UHN. I posted on the KX3 Yahoo Group that I received a heatsink from KB8UHN and it was a quality product and about half the price of other heatsinks. About an hour later I get an email from the moderator telling me I'm banned from group for promoting products. I replied "Sorry did not know your rules, you would think a warning? He did not respond to my query. Johnny Siu VR2XMC told me he has been banned from posting on the group for agreeing with my post about the heatsink. So be careful on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Somehow I will suffer through this traumatic banning. 73 Tex ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-KX3-Yahoo-Group-tp7591756.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Sadly, The KX3 Yahoo group has taken a very bad turn. It was originally
started, when the KX3 was initially announced, by a very responsible group owner who had a very lenient moderation policy. Unfortunately, he has turned the day-to-day operation over to two other moderators that prefer to remain anonymous. They have instituted a Draconian zero-tolerance policy of any mention of either commercial products, or links to any other resource pages. They claim to want all KX3 related material to be copied to the Yahoo Group, rather than links to other sites. This is unworkable, as only those who actually own the information can post it there. It also make maintenance of updates unworkable. For instance, I posted a link to a website that was still maintaining an archive copy of NaP3 software (N8LP), after development of NaP3 ceased. For this, I was placed on moderation (unannounced and unexplained). Unfortunately, the implementation of these new policies has resulted in the banishment of many, often without explanation. Sad to say, this once very useful Group is now much less so. Bruce/N1RX From the Elecraft email reflector: > Just thought I would pass along my recent experience on the KX3 Yahoo Group. > Yesterday I received a heatsink from KB8UHN. I posted on the KX3 Yahoo > Group that I received a heatsink from KB8UHN and it was a quality product > and about half the price of other heatsinks. > About an hour later I get an email from the moderator telling me I'm banned > from group for promoting products. I replied "Sorry did not know your > rules, you would think a warning? He did not respond to my query. > Johnny Siu VR2XMC told me he has been banned from posting on the group for > agreeing with my post about the heatsink. > So be careful on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Somehow I will suffer through this > traumatic banning. > 73 Tex > ka5y ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Bruce,
I appreciate you cc ing me into your post, but I really need to say that your comments are very unfair and unfounded. You obviously have no idea what is involved in growing and maintaining a large group such as the KX3 group. Yes, there are probably a few who have been banned from the group that perhaps should not have been, but that is only a small portion compared to the amount of spam and obscene, nasty and down right rude stuff that we are forced to filter, and do stop. You have ZERO CLUE! It seems that I can not please everyone all of the time, I will live with that. One reason discussions about things like heat sinks have been "tempered" was that in the recent past, they have lead to several arguments and unproductive discussions about copyright theft etc, and even evolved into racial slurs. This group was not founded, grown and maintained so that a few individuals can come in, not contribute to the greater good of the KX3 community, but then attempt to divert/steal traffic and visitors for their own profit and marketing efforts. So as much as you have chosen to focus on the bad as you see it, you are missing 99% of the good that has gone on. I don't profess to have been perfect, but for a "hobby (my time volunteered)" I think I, as well as others have done a decent job of growing the KX3 group to the size it now is. I would also suggest that the BULK of the group is very happy and are getting value out of this particular group. To recap, the heat sink discussion is really old. The recent posts that you are questioning, which resulted in privileges being removed, were inciting in nature. There is no need to choose sides and reopen the debate. We are simply just trying to stop those who like to stop by, toss in a grenade and leave a mess that we then have to deal with. But I guess if I was just sitting in my armchair and doing some Monday Morning Quarterbacking, I would think it is all easy too. But I am not, I am in the trenches trying to make everyone happy and keep the group on topic. None the less, thanks again for your valued input. 73 Bob VE3UK. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Bruce Beford <[hidden email]> wrote: > Sadly, The KX3 Yahoo group has taken a very bad turn. It was originally started, when the KX3 was initially announced, by a very responsible group owner who had a very lenient moderation policy. Unfortunately, he has turned the day-to-day operation over to two other moderators that prefer to remain anonymous. They have instituted a Draconian zero-tolerance policy of any mention of either commercial products, or links to any other resource pages. They claim to want all KX3 related material to be copied to the Yahoo Group, rather than links to other sites. This is unworkable, as only those who actually own the information can post it there. It also make maintenance of updates unworkable. For instance, I posted a link to a website that was still maintaining an archive copy of NaP3 software (N8LP), after development of NaP3 ceased. For this, I was placed on moderation (unannounced and unexplained). > > > > Unfortunately, the implementation of these new policies has resulted in the banishment of many, often without explanation. Sad to say, this once very useful Group is now much less so. > > > > Bruce/N1RX > > > > From the Elecraft email reflector: > > > > > Just thought I would pass along my recent experience on the KX3 Yahoo Group. > > > Yesterday I received a heatsink from KB8UHN. I posted on the KX3 Yahoo > > > Group that I received a heatsink from KB8UHN and it was a quality product > > > and about half the price of other heatsinks. > > > > > About an hour later I get an email from the moderator telling me I'm banned > > > from group for promoting products. I replied "Sorry did not know your > > > rules, you would think a warning? He did not respond to my query. > > > > > Johnny Siu VR2XMC told me he has been banned from posting on the group for > > > agreeing with my post about the heatsink. > > > > > So be careful on the KX3 Yahoo Group. Somehow I will suffer through this > > > traumatic banning. > > > > > 73 Tex > > > ka5y > > > > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Yeah, same thing happened to me. I said buy from the original and not the guy who started making COPIES of the KX3 end plates. I said I thought it was very UN-amateur to ripoff someone else's design. I was told that my comment was unacceptable so I removed myself from the group in disgust. If it is his friend and he is going to be so against telling the truth about him then he shouldn't be the moderator of the group.
Art KC7GF On Jul 30, 2014, at 2:19 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 - Yahoo Group ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Can we move this discussion back to Yahoo! and keep the personal
arguments off here? Thanks -- Lynn On 7/30/2014 4:30 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote: > You obviously have no idea what is involved in growing and maintaining a > large group such as the KX3 group. > > Yes, there are probably a few who have been banned from the group that > perhaps should not have been, but that is only a small portion compared to > the amount of spam and obscene, nasty and down right rude stuff that we are > forced to filter, and do stop. You have ZERO CLUE! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Over the last few years I have made it a practice to stay away from
everything "yahoo". It has made a big difference in the amount of spam I receive. YMMV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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This makes me appreciate that effort all the more.
-----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Rhodes Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 20:18 PM To: Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 - Yahoo Group Over the last few years I have made it a practice to stay away from everything "yahoo". It has made a big difference in the amount of spam I receive. YMMV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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