[OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone
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[OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone
 
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This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks!
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No suffix would be just fine.
On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! > > _ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Rick,
I am no expert on this, but my gut tells me that if you simply pull over and operate, you are still mobile. When you pull over and put up a mast, then you would be portable. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/7/2016 4:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality. If forced to choose, I’d probably sign mobile if I were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or parked. If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot — portable.
Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier? :-) Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote: > > No suffix would be just fine. > > > On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! >> _ > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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You never were. MM only applied if you were on the “high seas”.
Michael Blake [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <[hidden email]> wrote: > > The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality. If forced to choose, I’d probably sign mobile if I were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or parked. If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot — portable. > > Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier? > > :-) > > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > >> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> No suffix would be just fine. >> >> >> On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >>> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! >>> _ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 9/7/2016 2:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality. If forced to > choose, I’d probably sign mobile if I were using my mobile rig and > mobile ant, moving or parked. If I were using my car to hold up a > mast and a beam on a grassy spot — portable. If you're on CW and you sign NQ5T/M, you are non-compliant with 47CFR97. Self-assigned indicators cannot duplicate ITU-assigned prefixes and all the M's belong to HM Queen Elizabeth [or somesuch]. > > Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up > to a pier? Technically, you are MM only when in international waters and very few docks are found in international waters [maybe drilling platforms?]. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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This is fairly easy and appears to (mostly) have world wide agreement. If you are operating from a vehicle, whether it's moving or stationary and transmission equipment is contained on or in the vehicle, in other words it's capable of being moved without alteration, then you are mobile. This applies even if you were outside the vehicle with the microphone cable trailing out the window. The moment you attach anything to the transmission equipment that is outside the vehicle, whether supported by it or not, thus preventing the vehicle from being moved without detachment, then you are portable. Something also often used is "static mobile". This suffix does not exist and IMO sounds rather silly. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: rick jones via Elecraft Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:40 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Wed,9/7/2016 2:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I am no expert on this, but my gut tells me that if you simply pull > over and operate, you are still mobile. When you pull over and put up > a mast, then you would be portable. Exactly right. The generally accepted definition of mobile is "capable of operation in motion, including all components of the station." When you park and set up a antenna or generator that cannot operate in motion, you're portable. This definition, or something quite close to it, is written into the rules of contests where mobiles are a class of operation. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I don't know about other countries but in the UK we have (or at least had) a
"MA" suffix, which stands for Maritime Anchored. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Fred Jensen Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 10:46 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone Technically, you are MM only when in international waters and very few docks are found in international waters [maybe drilling platforms?]. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Agree you're marine mobile unless you're on high seas outside territorial Waters and then your Maritime MobileW4GRJMarine Mobile Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Michael Blake <[hidden email]> Date: 9/7/16 17:37 (GMT-05:00) To: GRANT YOUNGMAN <[hidden email]> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone You never were. MM only applied if you were on the “high seas”. Michael Blake [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <[hidden email]> wrote: > > The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality. If forced to choose, I’d probably sign mobile if I were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or parked. If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot — portable. > > Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier? > > :-) > > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > >> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> No suffix would be just fine. >> >> >> On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >>> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! >>> _ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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My reading of the DXCC regs is that no contacts from a boat
count for DXCC, even if the boat is in a harbor, tied to a dock, or floating on a lake entirely within the DXCC. So the snarky question is, does putting an antenna on a stand on the dock make it a portable operation the way an antenna on a stand would move a mobile operation to portable? Does it then count for DXCC? 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/7/16 at 2:14 PM, [hidden email] (GRANT YOUNGMAN) wrote: >Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:
> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. As others have pointed out, from a regulatory standpoint this is a moot point as far as US amateurs are concerned. The Rules have not required such identification for many years now. What you add voluntarily is your business unless the identifier after the US call sign conflicts with another Administration's call sign block - the one exception is US hams operating in Canada where the Canadian VE goes after the US call sign rather than before. Someday someone is going to get after those repeater operators who add "/R" (Russia's block) after their repeater CW ID - /RPT is OK, though I like to say "K2ASP on the move" when I pull out of my parking space. :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ARRL Volunteer Counsel From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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