[OT] RS-35M noise
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Peter
I now have the prototypes completed of a composite material cover to replace Astron 35A size power supply covers. This solves the acoustic noise problem. The new cover looks terrific and is a 1:1 swap with the old one. I went through *exactly* the same problem you describe, and then buying the same replacement supply, then modifying it, ad nauseum, before fixing the original issue. I expect to be able to produce these (it's done on a CNC machine) in the coming weeks. I have several requests already. I do not yet know the cost but it won't be outrageous. Would this interest you? It has certainly interested others! 73 Steve KZ1X ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Some more of the factory cork pieces between the transformer and case fixed mine up – the 50 also.
Hank K4HYJ From: inventor61 . Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:48 PM To: [hidden email]; [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] RS-35M noise Peter I now have the prototypes completed of a composite material cover to replace Astron 35A size power supply covers. This solves the acoustic noise problem. The new cover looks terrific and is a 1:1 swap with the old one. I went through *exactly* the same problem you describe, and then buying the same replacement supply, then modifying it, ad nauseum, before fixing the original issue. I expect to be able to produce these (it's done on a CNC machine) in the coming weeks. I have several requests already. I do not yet know the cost but it won't be outrageous. Would this interest you? It has certainly interested others! 73 Steve KZ1X ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hank
I am only fabricating new top covers for the 35A size Astron units. For the majority of acoustic noise situations in the 35 amp size units (the variable and the fixed voltage models) the height of the steel cabinet is insufficient to keep the sheet metal of the lid away from the flux lines of the transformer. The resulting eddy currents decay and 'fight' against the transformer field itself. This results in the buzzing type hum people experience. Over time this vibration can loosen the transformer windings so it can buzz by itself. But generally, the bulk of the objectionable acoustic noise is from the top cover.. You can confirm the cause by simply removing the cover and operating the supply. There are only seven screws, as you probably already know. Suitable electrical safety precautions are to be taken, of course. If you have a 35A Astron unit and by the above method you can show yourself that the buzzing/hum noise is a result of the magnetic coupling / circulating current scenario I have described, this new composite cover will solve the problem - as well as reducing the obvious waste heat from the supply. Steve KZ1X On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 6:17 PM HB <[hidden email]> wrote: > Some more of the factory cork pieces between the transformer and case > fixed mine up – the 50 also. > > > > Hank > > K4HYJ > > > > *From: *inventor61 . <[hidden email]> > *Sent: *Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:48 PM > *To: *[hidden email]; [hidden email] > *Subject: *[Elecraft] [OT] RS-35M noise > > > > Peter > > > > I now have the prototypes completed of a composite material cover to > > replace Astron 35A size power supply covers. > > > > This solves the acoustic noise problem. > > > > The new cover looks terrific and is a 1:1 swap with the old one. > > > > I went through *exactly* the same problem you describe, and then buying the > > same replacement supply, then modifying it, ad nauseum, before fixing the > > original issue. > > > > I expect to be able to produce these (it's done on a CNC machine) in the > > coming weeks. > > I have several requests already. > > > > I do not yet know the cost but it won't be outrageous. > > Would this interest you? It has certainly interested others! > > > > 73 Steve KZ1X > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I took the easy way out. A used notepad provided the cardboard which was folded and wedged under the top cover. Problem solved.
Rick WA6NHC Smell Czech correction happens > On Jun 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, inventor61 . <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hank > > I am only fabricating new top covers for the 35A size Astron units. > > For the majority of acoustic noise situations in the 35 amp size units (the > variable and the fixed voltage models) the height of the steel cabinet is > insufficient to keep the sheet metal of the lid away from the flux lines of > the transformer. > > The resulting eddy currents decay and 'fight' against the transformer field > itself. > This results in the buzzing type hum people experience. > > Over time this vibration can loosen the transformer windings so it can buzz > by itself. > But generally, the bulk of the objectionable acoustic noise is from the top > cover.. > > You can confirm the cause by simply removing the cover and operating the > supply. > There are only seven screws, as you probably already know. > > Suitable electrical safety precautions are to be taken, of course. > > If you have a 35A Astron unit and by the above method you can show yourself > that the buzzing/hum noise is a result of the magnetic coupling / > circulating current scenario I have described, this new composite cover > will solve the problem - as well as reducing the obvious waste heat from > the supply. > > Steve KZ1X > >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 6:17 PM HB <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Some more of the factory cork pieces between the transformer and case >> fixed mine up – the 50 also. >> >> >> >> Hank >> >> K4HYJ >> >> >> >> *From: *inventor61 . <[hidden email]> >> *Sent: *Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:48 PM >> *To: *[hidden email]; [hidden email] >> *Subject: *[Elecraft] [OT] RS-35M noise >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> I now have the prototypes completed of a composite material cover to >> >> replace Astron 35A size power supply covers. >> >> >> >> This solves the acoustic noise problem. >> >> >> >> The new cover looks terrific and is a 1:1 swap with the old one. >> >> >> >> I went through *exactly* the same problem you describe, and then buying the >> >> same replacement supply, then modifying it, ad nauseum, before fixing the >> >> original issue. >> >> >> >> I expect to be able to produce these (it's done on a CNC machine) in the >> >> coming weeks. >> >> I have several requests already. >> >> >> >> I do not yet know the cost but it won't be outrageous. >> >> Would this interest you? It has certainly interested others! >> >> >> >> 73 Steve KZ1X >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> Elecraft mailing list >> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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