OT - Titanic II 2016 ...and CW?

[stan levandowski]

  I heard about Titanic II on CNN this evening.  I don't think there
will be any hams operating from the radio room in today's post-911 days
of paranoia about security but I sure do hope that between now and 2016,
those DXpedition- caliber hams with influence and the $$$ will approach
the right people to start talks on putting some kind of plan in place
that acknowledges the full historical account of the Titanic including
the Radio Act of 1912 that followed the disaster.  CW played a role and
who better to celebrate that around the world than we hams!  What great
publicity this could be for amateur radio, CW, and the sponsors of such
an effort.  73, Stan WB2LQF
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[Rick Dettinger-3]

Actually, it was spark that played a role, and we probably won't hear that from the Titanic II, since it hasn't been legal on the air since 1938.  
CW was still at least a decade off, though the date seems to be elusive.  
Spark was still the mode used in 1920 for ships at sea, as chronicled in the novel "The Nymph and the Lamp", by Thomas Raddall, a good read.  
And, yes, it would be nice if Morse Code could be heard from the Titanic II, in any mode.

73,
Rick Dettinger  K7MW

On Mar 2, 2013, at 4:28 PM, stan levandowski wrote:

> I heard about Titanic II on CNN this evening.  I don't think there will be any hams operating from the radio room in today's post-911 days of paranoia about security but I sure do hope that between now and 2016, those DXpedition- caliber hams with influence and the $$$ will approach the right people to start talks on putting some kind of plan in place that acknowledges the full historical account of the Titanic including the Radio Act of 1912 that followed the disaster.  CW played a role and who better to celebrate that around the world than we hams!  What great publicity this could be for amateur radio, CW, and the sponsors of such an effort.  73, Stan WB2LQF
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[stan levandowski]

My own research done for a recent club presentation suggested that Spark
was "dead" around 1920 for commercial purposes as a result of Lee
DeForest's vacuum tube which ushered in the age of CW.  I also found
several references to spark having been outlawed for use on the ham
bands in 1923-1924.  By the late 1920s the only spark transmitters still
in operation were legacy units on naval vessels.  What I wasn't able to
determine is if the term "naval" meant "Navy" or "Merchant" or both.  In
any case, my point is the Titanic sent CQD and later SOS using Morse
Code.  73, Stan WB2LQF

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote:

> Actually, it was spark that played a role, and we probably won't hear
> that from the Titanic II, since it hasn't been legal on the air since
> 1938.  CW was still at least a decade off, though the date seems to be
> elusive.  Spark was still the mode used in 1920 for ships at sea, as
> chronicled in the novel "The Nymph and the Lamp", by Thomas Raddall, a
> good read.   And, yes, it would be nice if Morse Code could be heard
> from the Titanic II, in any mode.
>
> 73,
> Rick Dettinger  K7MW
>
> On Mar 2, 2013, at 4:28 PM, stan levandowski wrote:
>
>> I heard about Titanic II on CNN this evening.  I don't think there
>> will be any hams operating from the radio room in today's post-911
>> days of paranoia about security but I sure do hope that between now
>> and 2016, those DXpedition- caliber hams with influence and the $$$
>> will approach the right people to start talks on putting some kind of
>> plan in place that acknowledges the full historical account of the
>> Titanic including the Radio Act of 1912 that followed the disaster.
>> CW played a role and who better to celebrate that around the world
>> than we hams!  What great publicity this could be for amateur radio,
>> CW, and the sponsors of such an effort.  73, Stan WB2LQF
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[Tony Estep]

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:27 PM, stan levandowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
...the Titanic sent CQD and later SOS....
==========
I am no historian, but a Google search turns up many pages on this
topic. Here's a typical one with its versions of the answers to
questions of transmitter type and code used:

http://www.avsia.com/djohnson/titanic.html

Tony KT0NY
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[Tony Estep]

And here's another with a small picture and many tech details.
http://marconigraph.com/titanic/wireless/mgy_wireless.html

 BTW I have heard of Continental code but do not know how it differs
from the Morse we use.

Tony KT0NY


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[stan levandowski]

Tony, here is a link to an article and if you page down one or two
pages, you'll see the three code variants all nicely lined up to
compare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code

  73, Stan WB2LQF


On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Tony Estep wrote:

>  BTW I have heard of Continental code but do not know how it differs
> from the Morse we use.

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[Kevin Luxford]

For a bit more information on Titanic II, go to
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/clive-palmer-launches-titanic-plan/story-e6frg6so-1226586501589

Perhaps people could write to Mr Palmer at his company, Mineralogy Pty
Ltd using their website form at http://www.mineralogy.com.au/form.html 
urging the inclusion of a CW operator in the Titanic II ship's crew.  
The cost would be chickenfeed to him.

73
Kevin
VK3DAP / ZL2DAP


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[Phil Kane-2]

On 3/2/2013 8:35 PM, Kevin Luxford wrote:

> Perhaps people could write to Mr Palmer at his company, Mineralogy Pty
> Ltd using their website form at http://www.mineralogy.com.au/form.html 
> urging the inclusion of a CW operator in the Titanic II ship's crew.  
> The cost would be chickenfeed to him.

As some of us on this list know (and the rest of us should know), the
Morse-based Safety of Life at Sea requirements have been changed about
15 years ago to a satellite- and SSB- based Global Maritime Distress and
Safety System.  New ships, and many older ships, no longer have radio
equipment capable of and certified for working MF or HF Morse, and with
the exception of a handful of "historical" installations, there are no
coast stations available to work them, even if the ship's comm officer
holds the appropriate Radio Officer and RadioTelegraph Operator licenses.

The best approach would be to get permission from the Master of the
vessel to operate a ham station which, by law, must be separate and
distinct from the ship's radio communication system.  The operator must
have the appropriate authorization from the country of the ship's
registry as well.

At least that's what the law says....

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
ARRL Volunteer Counsel
Member, Maritime Radio Historical Society
(MF and HF Coast Station KSM)
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