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This is probably common knowledge to most, but do US calls not relate
to the geographic area any more? In the contest, I worked call area 6, which my map shows as the west coast, but the station I worked, N6AR, is listed in qrz.com with an address in Florida, which is call area 4. Do call areas have *any* use (e.g. for multipliers in ARRL contest scores)? -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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It doesn't matter where you are any more. Some of us don't like it either.
If you are assigned a call by the FCC then you'll get one that's in your correct call area. But if you move or if you apply for a vanity call, it can be outside your area. I had an opportunity to get a call containing my initials but I couldn't bring myself to be a "9" after being a "0" for 35 years. :-) Craig NZ0R -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Julian G4ILO Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:30 AM To: elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] OT: US call areas This is probably common knowledge to most, but do US calls not relate to the geographic area any more? In the contest, I worked call area 6, which my map shows as the west coast, but the station I worked, N6AR, is listed in qrz.com with an address in Florida, which is call area 4. Do call areas have *any* use (e.g. for multipliers in ARRL contest scores)? -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Julian, G4ILO
When calls are issued, the number in the call does correspond to the
licensee's address, but if a licensee moves, a new call is not issued, so that ham might have a call whose number doesn't correspond. For example, my call (KB6NU) was issued when I got my Advanced in California. When I moved back to Michigan, I kept it, so it no longer corresponds. This may also happen in the case of a vanity callsign. For example, I recently applied for a vanity callsign to use when our club operates from the Ann Arbor Hands-On Museum. The callsign we have is WA2HOM (A2 = Ann Arbor, HOM = Hands-On Museum). It, too, doesn't correspond to the district in which we're located. 73! Dan KB6NU ---------------------------------------------------------- CW Geek and MI Affiliated Club Coordinator Read my ham radio blog at http://www.kb6nu.com LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO! On Nov 26, 2007, at Nov 26, 10:29 AM, Julian G4ILO wrote: > This is probably common knowledge to most, but do US calls not relate > to the geographic area any more? In the contest, I worked call area 6, > which my map shows as the west coast, but the station I worked, N6AR, > is listed in qrz.com with an address in Florida, which is call area 4. > Do call areas have *any* use (e.g. for multipliers in ARRL contest > scores)? > > -- > Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Nov 26, 2007 3:29 PM, Julian G4ILO <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This is probably common knowledge to most, but do US calls not relate > to the geographic area any more? Thanks for all the answers, already! -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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It is a shame that although the practice of issuing callsigns by the call
area has gone by the wayside, that the practice of adding the state after the call does not become standard practice such as KB7MBI / WA. But since contesting now rules the bands this would never fly...computers would not recognize the these calls. Alan KB7MBI Woodinville, WA FISTS: 5702 CC: 1885 ARS: 582 SKCC: 1988 NAQCC: 058 ARCI: 12141 **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Why not, my logger recognises the prefix, and the locator and lots of other
bits. If Contests organisers were to say that in 12 months time, this or that contest would require a state code on US calls, the s/w authors could produce an update. Forget it in the UK we don't have state codes (well county codes), but we do have some contests where we pass the post code - mine being RG42 3TR On 26/11/07 15:58, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> sent: But since > contesting now rules the bands this would never fly...computers would not > recognize > the these calls. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Julian, G4ILO
Hi Julian
Unfortunately, our FCC has gotten lazy, and now allows a ham to keep his call when he moves. We've all been bitten by your problem when chasing things like WAS certificates. The only use the district number has now is to tell you in which district the call was issued, and nothing about where it is being used now. In the past we had to add /4 or whatever district the call was being used in, if not the original district. No longer. FCC just doesn't seem to care. Fortunately, the vast majority of calls are still in their original districts, so WAS is still not a big problem. 73, Bob N6WG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian G4ILO" <[hidden email]> To: "elecraft" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: [Elecraft] OT: US call areas > This is probably common knowledge to most, but do US calls not relate > to the geographic area any more? In the contest, I worked call area 6, > which my map shows as the west coast, but the station I worked, N6AR, > is listed in qrz.com with an address in Florida, which is call area 4. > Do call areas have *any* use (e.g. for multipliers in ARRL contest > scores)? > > -- > Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? > G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com > Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Nov 26, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Julian G4ILO wrote: > This is probably common knowledge to most, but do US calls not relate > to the geographic area any more? In the contest, I worked call area 6, > which my map shows as the west coast, but the station I worked, N6AR, > is listed in qrz.com with an address in Florida, which is call area 4. > Do call areas have *any* use (e.g. for multipliers in ARRL contest > scores)? > Larry, N6AR, moved from California to Florida over 20 years ago when he changed jobs. For many years the FCC has allowed hams to keep their old calls when moving. which many do, although it is confusing. When I moved from the 6th to the 7th call area, I kept my old W6SWE call for 16 years before finally deciding that I should get a new one (we often get attached to these things). Call areas are not used as multipliers in any contest of which I am aware. 73, Bob N7XY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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"Call areas are not used as multipliers in any contest of which I am aware.
73, Bob N7XY " Bob, that's not quite right, e.g. in the WAEDC-Contest you'll find this rule: 6 Multiplier: ... For European stations every non-European DXCC entity counts as a multiplier. Exception: In the following countries up to ten call areas count as multipliers: W, VE, VK, ZL, ZS, JA, PY and RA8/RA9 and RAØ -- without respect to the geographic location. Examples: W1, K1, KA1 and K3../1 count as W1; VE1, VO1 und VY1 count as VE1; JR4, 7M4 und 7K4 count as JA4; ZL2 and ZL6 are two different multipliers. http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/fedcw.htm 73s Lothar, DJ8EW _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I'm one of those who is VERY glad we can keep
our call when moving! (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [hidden email] or [hidden email] _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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When I moved from CA to NM (6 to 5), I changed calls but I also upgraded
so it was easy. When I moved from NM to VT (5 to 1) I kept my call (AA5AC) but I got tired of tacking /1 on the end or having folks surprised that the 5 they were working was not in 5-land. I got a vanity call with a 1 in it. About a year ago, I got a different vanity call, again with a 1. I guess I'm old-fashioned and wish the numbers still indicated where you are rather than where you were. At the same time, I understand folks wanting to keep their call. When I was looking at vanity calls, I was interested in a call out of my district K3ITH but it was taken. The other one I considered, KE1TH would have been great, but it too was taken. - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - - K3 wave 3 - _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Well, I have to say, I found it strange when I first started and discovered
you get calls based on location - I thought "don't US hams move then?". On 26/11/07 17:54, "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]> sent: > I'm one of those who is VERY glad we can keep > our call when moving! (:-)) > > 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP > [hidden email] > or > [hidden email] > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book. -Marcus Tullius Cicero, statesman, orator and writer (106-43 BC) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Darwin, Keith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I guess I'm old-fashioned and wish the numbers still indicated where you are rather than where you were. At the same time, I understand folks wanting to keep their call. -------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with both thoughts, but it is frustrating to hear / try to work on 6m a station using a 6 or 7 area callsign, only to find out that the station is not located out West. 73, Geoff GM4ESD _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:15:43 -0800, Robert Tellefsen wrote:
>Unfortunately, our FCC has gotten lazy, and now >allows a ham to keep his call when he moves. Such calumny! The real reason was that the Government Accounting Office, the bean-counters of the Feds, came in and made an audit of FCC license-issuing operations and decided that too much "resources" (i.e. money) was being spent on issuing and re-issuing both amateur and commercial operator licenses and in an effort to "nickle-nurse" the agency's operations, decreed that such things as lifetime commercial operator licenses and no-call-sign-change amateur licenses were to be the default. I can't moan-and-groan about that because I got to ransom back my original "2-area" call sign first issued to me in 1952. >FCC just doesn't seem to care. If they need to find you they can. >Fortunately, the vast majority of calls are still >in their original districts, so WAS is still not a >big problem. If a ham really wants a "new" call representing the district in which s/he lives, the FCC can and will issue one in the "sequence" i.e. no choice of prefix or suffix. Alternatively, any US ham can add the "/#" representing the call sign district id s/he wants. Not required but not prohibited, either. What is prohibited is adding a "/" followed by a combination of letters or numbers representing the prefix of a foreign country's ham licenses if the ham is in US territory. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Other problems:
It would violate FCC rules (97.119c) stating that appended call modifiers must not be in conflict with any call sign prefixes assigned to other countries. And if you did conflict with another country's prefix, what would that mean? WS7L/OK is normally taken to mean that I'm operating from the Czech Republic, not Oklahoma. The old practice of signing with your current call district as in K0ABC/7 is is still often used. My knowledge of international call signe assignments is not sufficient for me to assure you beyond doubt that it complies with the letter of the law (groan!) but in practice I don't think they'll be busting anyone for it. 73, Carl WS7L -----Original Message----- > It is a shame that although the practice of issuing callsigns by the call area has > gone by the wayside, that the practice of adding the state after the call does not > become standard practice such as KB7MBI / WA. But since contesting now rules the > bands this would never fly...computers would not recognize the these calls. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On the other hand ...
I always sign /7 in contests because "7's" are usually more "needed" than "0's". Ken K0PP/7 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Ken
I suspect that when the original call sign issuing system was created, the US population was a lot less mobile than today. From what I've read about the 20's and 30's, it was common for people to have lived their entire lives within one state. That probably helped condition the idea of call sign goes with location. 73, Bob N6WG ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> To: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: US call areas > Well, I have to say, I found it strange when I first started and discovered > you get calls based on location - I thought "don't US hams move then?". > > > > On 26/11/07 17:54, "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]> sent: > > > I'm one of those who is VERY glad we can keep > > our call when moving! (:-)) > > > > 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP > > [hidden email] > > or > > [hidden email] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Post to: [hidden email] > > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > -- > Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is > writing a book. -Marcus Tullius Cicero, statesman, orator and writer > (106-43 BC) > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Monday 26 November 2007 12:54:13 Ken Kopp wrote:
> I'm one of those who is VERY glad we can keep > our call when moving! (:-)) It would be good to do as Great Britain does and modify the prefix depending on location. I have operated as GM4ICV and GW4ICV. The incumbent system in the USA prevents that - too many clashes. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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And now we all have the same capability that the FCC does, to find our QTH;
that is, look the callsign up on the internet or, if you must, a local database. Contesters sometimes complain that they don't know where to point the beam in national contests. One solution would be to have the grid "square" as part of the exchange. I've got to say, back in the olddays, there were always hams who complained BECAUSE they were required to change their callsigns if they moved, so I think the complaint level is similar. 73, doug From: "Robert Tellefsen" <[hidden email]> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:24 -0800 Hi Ken I suspect that when the original call sign issuing system was created, the US population was a lot less mobile than today. From what I've read about the 20's and 30's, it was common for people to have lived their entire lives within one state. That probably helped condition the idea of call sign goes with location. 73, Bob N6WG ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> To: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: US call areas > Well, I have to say, I found it strange when I first started and discovered > you get calls based on location - I thought "don't US hams move then?". > > > > On 26/11/07 17:54, "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]> sent: > > > I'm one of those who is VERY glad we can keep > > our call when moving! (:-)) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> ... From what I've read about the 20's and 30's,
> it was common for people to have lived their entire > lives within one state. That probably helped condition the > idea of call sign goes with location. > 73, Bob N6WG John K7FD, licensed 41 years, all from Oregon...with web toes to prove it! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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