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OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

John Harper
In a parallel thread VP8NO wanted to filter K4-related posts...and now
there's this!

Folks, the correct way to read this reflector is to turn of email from it
entirely. Instead look at it here, only clicking on the links of interest
to you:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2020-October/date.html

If you try to set up email filters to improve the S:N ratio, you'll soon
come to the conclusion that 'that way lies madness'.

John AE5X
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Re: OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

Phil Kane-2
On 10/6/2020 11:48 AM, John Harper wrote:

> Folks, the correct way to read this reflector is to turn of email from it
> entirely. Instead look at it here, only clicking on the links of interest
> to you:

Maybe correct for you, not for me and many others. The minimum time I
have to work the mouse, the happier I am.  As we children of the '50s
would say "Whatever works".

> If you try to set up email filters to improve the S:N ratio, you'll soon
> come to the conclusion that 'that way lies madness'.

Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying, "The definition of
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting
different results."

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Re: OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

David Gilbert-2
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It's mostly the same culprits who initiate off topic posts, so filtering
by sender would catch 95% of it.

Dave   AB7E


On 10/6/2020 11:48 AM, John Harper wrote:

> In a parallel thread VP8NO wanted to filter K4-related posts...and now
> there's this!
>
> Folks, the correct way to read this reflector is to turn of email from it
> entirely. Instead look at it here, only clicking on the links of interest
> to you:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2020-October/date.html
>
> If you try to set up email filters to improve the S:N ratio, you'll soon
> come to the conclusion that 'that way lies madness'.
>
> John AE5X
> https://ae5x.blogspot.com

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Re: OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

Mike Morrow-3
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Another interesting fact about US broadcast station callsigns is that back before U.S. maritime radioTELEGRAPHY ended (except for rare historical exercises) in 1999, most US-flag merchant ships with radiotelegraph stations were assigned four-letter callsigns beginning with K or W.  There are no longer many such calls that are still assigned to merchant shipping.  A quick random search at:
  https://www.itu.int/mmsapp/ShipStation/list
found KPLB, WGDX, WQUI.  Twenty-five years ago and earlier there were hundreds of US ships whose radiotelegraph station had callsigns of broadcast station format.  Maritime radiotelegraph coastal stations like KPH, WCC, WOM used the same call format as some broadcast stations like KSL, WLS, WOR, WSM, etc.  Maritime ship radiotelegraph callsigns were not affected by location for assigning K or W as first letter.

Forty years ago I held a commercial radiotelegraph license.  After I received ham call KK5F, I day-dreamed about having a ship with maritime radiotelegraph call KKHF to match.  :-)

Mike / KK5F

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>
>More than you ever wanted to know about the convention of giving "W"
>callsigns to broadcast stations east of the Mississippi and "K"
>callsigns to the west:
>
>  https://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm
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Re: OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

Phil Kane-2

On 10/6/2020 1:04 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

> Another interesting fact about US broadcast station callsigns is that
> back before U.S. maritime radioTELEGRAPHY ended (except for rare
> historical exercises) in 1999, most US-flag merchant ships with
> radiotelegraph stations were assigned four-letter callsigns beginning
> with K or W.

As others have posted, the convention was that Broadcast stations east
of the Mississippi were given W call letters and west of the Mississippi
were given K call letters (with noted exceptions).  Ocean-going ships
had the opposite according to their home port of registration.

> There are no longer many such calls that are still assigned to
> merchant shipping.

When I started doing ship safety radio inspections in 1967 there were
600+ such vessels in the US registry, not counting the WW-II-era Victory
ships that were owned by the U S Maritime Commission and were being
pulled out of "Red Lead Row" (deep storage Reserve Fleets) and operated
under contract to support the Vietnam War going on at that time.  New
ship radiotelegraph stations will be licensed as part of the ship's
radio station license under the now-standard XXXnnnn call letters.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Re: OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

John Simmons
When my boss built his first radio station he told the FCC that the station was NORTH of the Mississippi. They let him pick W or K.

-de John NI0K

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On 10/6/2020 1:04 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>>
>> Another interesting fact about US broadcast station callsigns is that
>> back before U.S. maritime radioTELEGRAPHY ended (except for rare
>> historical exercises) in 1999, most US-flag merchant ships with
>> radiotelegraph stations were assigned four-letter callsigns beginning
>> with K or W.
>
> As others have posted, the convention was that Broadcast stations east
> of the Mississippi were given W call letters and west of the Mississippi
> were given K call letters (with noted exceptions).  Ocean-going ships
> had the opposite according to their home port of registration.
>
>> There are no longer many such calls that are still assigned to
>> merchant shipping.
>
> When I started doing ship safety radio inspections in 1967 there were
> 600+ such vessels in the US registry, not counting the WW-II-era Victory
> ships that were owned by the U S Maritime Commission and were being
> pulled out of "Red Lead Row" (deep storage Reserve Fleets) and operated
> under contract to support the Vietnam War going on at that time.  New
> ship radiotelegraph stations will be licensed as part of the ship's
> radio station license under the now-standard XXXnnnn call letters.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

Bill Frantz
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Given that this thread very plainly contains "OT", for Off
Topic, in the subject line, anyone wanting only information
about Elecraft equipment should have already filtered it out.
Many posters are careful to label their off topic posts with OT.

Many are also careful to label their posts with the specific
piece of equipment they are discussing. Of course, we have
subject drift, and people aren't super good about changing the
subject line when they change the subject.

BTW, I read almost everything on the list because I consider it
to be a community and I like to try to help the people in this
community when I can.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/6/20 at 2:48 PM, [hidden email] (John Harper) wrote:

>Folks, the correct way to read this reflector is to turn of email from it
>entirely. Instead look at it here, only clicking on the links of interest
>to you:
>http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2020-October/date.html
>
>If you try to set up email filters to improve the S:N ratio, you'll soon
>come to the conclusion that 'that way lies madness'.

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OT: How to automatically delete OT (or other) posts in Thunderbird

Alan Bloom
I'm the guilty party who started the original off-topic thread. Sorry
about that!


If you're using the Thunderbird email client, the following is the
easiest way to automatically remove unwanted messages:


1. Click on the message.

2. Click on the menu icon (three horizontal lines) in the upper right of
the window.

3. Click on "Message" then "Create Filter from Message".

4. Change the "From" field to "Subject". (Or leave it at "From" if you
want to flag the sender rather than the subject.)

5. Change the "Is" field to "Contains"

6. In the next field, enter "OT" or whatever text you want to flag in
the subject line.

7. In the sub-window below that, choose the folder you want to send the
message to.  (Perhaps "Trash"?)

8. Click "OK"


Alan N1AL



On 10/7/2020 8:42 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Given that this thread very plainly contains "OT", for Off Topic, in
> the subject line, anyone wanting only information about Elecraft
> equipment should have already filtered it out.

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