Off Topic Hearing Aids
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My dad recently got fitted with new hearing aids, and is a ham.
They are here: http://www.phonak.com/com/b2c/en/products/accessories/communication/icom/ove rview.html He did not get the iCOM unit yet, but will probably soon. Any hints, ideas, etc to help get him back on the air? Since this unit uses Bluetooth, any ideas on a blue tooth device to connect to an Icom 706? I am about a year or two away from hearing aids myself. Too much jet noise. Mike AI4NS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Mike,
I have hearing aids - behind the ear type. The only problem is that many headphones produce feedback, so I use speakers. I do have a couple set of headphones that work OK with them - they have large cuffs and hold the transducers further from the ears than most. Go to an audio shop and try the headphones before buying. Forget the Bluetooth and other external devices IMHO, those hearing aids have progrms that can be set. I have one program that has no noise reduction, just the amplification that matches my hearing loss, and I use that for listening to ham radio or music. Many audiologists do not consider a program like that for most users, so just ask. If your dad is normally in a low noise local environment (home situation), it will sound more natural. Yes, if I kick in the NR on the hearing aids, CW sounds choppy, but SSB voice is OK. 73, Don W3FPR Mike Short wrote: > My dad recently got fitted with new hearing aids, and is a ham. > > They are here: > http://www.phonak.com/com/b2c/en/products/accessories/communication/icom/ove > rview.html > > > > He did not get the iCOM unit yet, but will probably soon. Any hints, ideas, > etc to help get him back on the air? > > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have Phonak hearing aids. The audiologist at the VA had one of these
and let me try it out [it didn't look exactly the same as in the web page, maybe an earlier model]. I fed the headphone out from my K3 to it. It worked. Not fantastic however. My hearing aids were still on and I got a lot of room and ambient noise QRM, and I missed having the cans on. The Phonak thing isn't cheap. I have a small outboard audio amplifier that I use with the K3/K2/KX1, I can get enough audio to drive the Heil cans to distortion, and the K3 RX equalizer helps some on SSB which is not one of my usual modes anyway. Maybe he could get a loan from his provider to try it out before getting it. Hearing is a fickle sense ... what works for one is useless for another. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010 - www.cqp.org Mike Short wrote: > My dad recently got fitted with new hearing aids, and is a ham. > > They are here: > http://www.phonak.com/com/b2c/en/products/accessories/communication/icom/ove > rview.html > > He did not get the iCOM unit yet, but will probably soon. Any hints, ideas, > etc to help get him back on the air? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Mike...
Some more experiential info. I wear in-the-ear hearing aids. As Don mentioned, using headphones produces a lot of whistling feedback. I work CW almost exclusively, and in this environment I put the hearing aids on "standby" and that works nicely. Good high frequency roll off <g>. Voice modes are another matter that others no doubt can comment on much better than I can. I would second Don's other comment to bypass wireless arrangements. Go with hard wiring from radio to headphones and avoid much heartburn. ...robert On 7/23/2010 12:06, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Mike, > > I have hearing aids - behind the ear type. The only problem is that > many headphones produce feedback, so I use speakers. I do have a couple > set of headphones that work OK with them - they have large cuffs and > hold the transducers further from the ears than most. Go to an audio > shop and try the headphones before buying. > > Forget the Bluetooth and other external devices IMHO, those hearing aids > have progrms that can be set. > > I have one program that has no noise reduction, just the amplification > that matches my hearing loss, and I use that for listening to ham radio > or music. Many audiologists do not consider a program like that for > most users, so just ask. If your dad is normally in a low noise local > environment (home situation), it will sound more natural. Yes, if I > kick in the NR on the hearing aids, CW sounds choppy, but SSB voice is OK. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > Mike Short wrote: >> My dad recently got fitted with new hearing aids, and is a ham. >> >> They are here: >> http://www.phonak.com/com/b2c/en/products/accessories/communication/icom/ove >> rview.html >> >> >> >> He did not get the iCOM unit yet, but will probably soon. Any hints, ideas, >> etc to help get him back on the air? >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Robert G. Strickland, PhD, ABPH - KE2WY [hidden email] Syracuse, New York, USA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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As a hearing-impaired operator, I wanted to let you all know about a
fairly recent hearing-aid technology. It is manufactured by a company in Newark, California, and the device is called a "lyric." It is a small, completely-in-the-canal device. It sits a millimeter away from your eardrum. So, it is in essence an ear-canal amplifier that boosts the natural sound coming in the ear canal (rather than amplifying sound picked up on an outside the ear canal microphone. The difference is nothing short of dramatic. Sounds are much more natural sounding. There are no whistles like one gets with a partially in the canal device. It is inserted and left in place for about four months at a time. Then, it is removed and replaced with a new pair. So, no batteries to mess with, no daily insertion and removal, etc. I'm in a clinical trial on a new model that is even smaller. This one will ultimately allow one to use ear plugs and scuba dive. The current model cannot be used where ones head is immersed in water - so no swimming, no diving. I can't wait to try them during the next contest (I just joined the program). I had a partially in the ear device which I hated and never used with the radios. Now, maybe, I'll even enjoy phone contests instead of trying to make sense of the garbled sibilants. Rob K6RB > Mike, > > I have hearing aids - behind the ear type. The only problem is that > many headphones produce feedback, so I use speakers. I do have a couple > set of headphones that work OK with them - they have large cuffs and > hold the transducers further from the ears than most. Go to an audio > shop and try the headphones before buying. > > Forget the Bluetooth and other external devices IMHO, those hearing aids > have progrms that can be set. > > I have one program that has no noise reduction, just the amplification > that matches my hearing loss, and I use that for listening to ham radio > or music. Many audiologists do not consider a program like that for > most users, so just ask. If your dad is normally in a low noise local > environment (home situation), it will sound more natural. Yes, if I > kick in the NR on the hearing aids, CW sounds choppy, but SSB voice is OK. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > Mike Short wrote: >> My dad recently got fitted with new hearing aids, and is a ham. >> >> They are here: >> http://www.phonak.com/com/b2c/en/products/accessories/communication/icom/ove >> rview.html >> >> >> >> He did not get the iCOM unit yet, but will probably soon. Any hints, >> ideas, >> etc to help get him back on the air? >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: Off Topic Hearing Aids
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Quote 1:
That style rings alarm bells, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Quote 2: Unless you have a pure conductive loss, which is relatively rare, and tends to be early in onset, hearing aids that "sound natural" are not doing their job. Hearing aids have a similar job to that of noise reduction in the K3, with the added complication that they have to cope with a possibly very limited dynamic range between threshold of hearing and threshold of pain. They have to both stress the frequencies needed for speech comprehension and apply frequency selective dynamic range compression. Although modern hearing aids use a lot of echo cancellation to stop feedback whistling, deep in the ear ones so not have the level of isolation between input and output to allow for high powers and still maintain feedback suppression. The probable advantage of the deep positioning is that the feedback is less affected by the external environment, so you there are less occasions on which you have to wait for the feedback canceller to retrain. [hidden email] wrote: > As a hearing-impaired operator, I wanted to let you all know about a > fairly recent hearing-aid technology. It is manufactured by a company in > Newark, California, and the device is called a "lyric." > The difference is nothing short of dramatic. Sounds are much more natural > sounding. There are no whistles like one gets with a partially in the > canal device. > -- David Woolley "we do not overly restrict the subject matter on the list, and we encourage postings on a wide range of amateur radio related topics" List Guidelines <http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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