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Hi,
I'm looking for a basic O scope for general HF ham use. I figure 2 channels and 50+ mHz bandwidth. A few years ago I got rid of my old CRT 30mHz scope figuring I'd get something more modern and compact. I though USB, but I see full scopes are pretty cheap, $250 and up. I see some USB/WIFI types for 1/2 that. So far, I'm looking at Siglent, Rigol, Hantek. Any suggestions, recs or input?
TNX

Lou W7HV
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Lou …

You are looking in the right place, in my opinion, with Siglent, Rigol, etc. Another brand to look for is Hameg. They all offer lots of features and value for the $$.
Great buys on Spectrum Analyzers there also, by the way ;>)

Back when I had my lab I had Agilent scopes, but if I were doing it over today, I’d go with something like the above.

If you aren’t familiar with it, check out Dave Jones’s EEVBlog podcast. He has dozens of detailed reviews of these scopes which include HD Video teardowns of the internals as well as analysis of the circuitry. Should be available at your favorite source of podcasts.

Happy Shopping !

73 Craig AC0DS

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I bought a Siglent SDS 1202X-E at Dayton a couple years ago. I really like
it. 200MHz dual trace, can control it and grab screenshots over the
network, does all kinds of measurements automatically, even does decodes
for a variety of serial data types. And it takes up far less room on the
bench than my old Tek scope.
I recommend it.
73 de W0ZF

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> Hi,
> I'm looking for a basic O scope for general HF ham use. I figure 2
> channels and 50+ mHz bandwidth. A few years ago I got rid of my old CRT
> 30mHz scope figuring I'd get something more modern and compact. I though
> USB, but I see full scopes are pretty cheap, $250 and up. I see some
> USB/WIFI types for 1/2 that. So far, I'm looking at Siglent, Rigol,
> Hantek. Any suggestions, recs or input?
> TNX
>
> Lou W7HV
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I have the Rigol DS1054Z and have found it to be very useful. One of the few things thing that bugs me is that it has no date/time clock so all the files you save have the same date/time stamp.

Decide what features you want and check if they are included in the base price. Some of the scope manufacturers make their money on options that are quite expensive. It used to be possible to generate the enable codes for all the DS1054Z options but that loophole may have been closed.

It took a while to get used to using a digital storage scope but now I seldom turn on the older analog scope.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

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Another option is to forego a traditional oscilloscope and get a usb one instead. I have the pico oscilloscope and it is fantastic. I use it with a laptop and using a mouse seems way better than fiddling with dials.

Raj, N2RD
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> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I have the Rigol DS1054Z and have found it to be very useful. One of the few things thing that bugs me is that it has no date/time clock so all the files you save have the same date/time stamp.
>
> Decide what features you want and check if they are included in the base price. Some of the scope manufacturers make their money on options that are quite expensive. It used to be possible to generate the enable codes for all the DS1054Z options but that loophole may have been closed.
>
> It took a while to get used to using a digital storage scope but now I seldom turn on the older analog scope.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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I second the Siglent SDS 1202X-E. I bought one last year to service the
Elecraft rigs that come through and it is more scope than I need but has
some really nice features. A lot of scope for the money. Much smaller on my
bench than my old analog Tek 465.

73,
Dave, W8FGU
On December 8, 2020 16:05:01 Dave Fugleberg <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I bought a Siglent SDS 1202X-E at Dayton a couple years ago. I really like
> it. 200MHz dual trace, can control it and grab screenshots over the
> network, does all kinds of measurements automatically, even does decodes
> for a variety of serial data types. And it takes up far less room on the
> bench than my old Tek scope.
> I recommend it.
> 73 de W0ZF
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:40 PM Louandzip via Elecraft <
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>> Hi,
>> I'm looking for a basic O scope for general HF ham use. I figure 2
>> channels and 50+ mHz bandwidth. A few years ago I got rid of my old CRT
>> 30mHz scope figuring I'd get something more modern and compact. I though
>> USB, but I see full scopes are pretty cheap, $250 and up. I see some
>> USB/WIFI types for 1/2 that. So far, I'm looking at Siglent, Rigol,
>> Hantek. Any suggestions, recs or input?
>> TNX
>>
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I'll third the Siglent SDS 1202X-E. It also replaced my Tek 465. Plenty of
scope for my needs. Works well when working on a K2.

73,
Rick W7LKG

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I second the Siglent SDS 1202X-E. I bought one last year to service the
Elecraft rigs that come through and it is more scope than I need but has
some really nice features. A lot of scope for the money. Much smaller on my
bench than my old analog Tek 465.

73,
Dave, W8FGU
On December 8, 2020 16:05:01 Dave Fugleberg <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I bought a Siglent SDS 1202X-E at Dayton a couple years ago. I really
> like it. 200MHz dual trace, can control it and grab screenshots over
> the network, does all kinds of measurements automatically, even does
> decodes for a variety of serial data types. And it takes up far less
> room on the bench than my old Tek scope.
> I recommend it.
> 73 de W0ZF
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:40 PM Louandzip via Elecraft <
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>
>> Hi,
>> I'm looking for a basic O scope for general HF ham use. I figure 2
>> channels and 50+ mHz bandwidth. A few years ago I got rid of my old
>> CRT 30mHz scope figuring I'd get something more modern and compact.
>> I though USB, but I see full scopes are pretty cheap, $250 and up. I
>> see some USB/WIFI types for 1/2 that. So far, I'm looking at
>> Siglent, Rigol, Hantek. Any suggestions, recs or input?
>> TNX
>>
>> Lou W7HV
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On 12/8/2020 3:28 PM, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
> Another option is to forego a traditional oscilloscope and get a usb one instead. I have the pico oscilloscope and it is fantastic. I use it with a laptop and using a mouse seems way better than fiddling with dials.

I recently bought a PicoScope with rather limited bandwidth because I
needed to be able float it to look at SteppIR drive signals (so I
wouldn't blow driver chips). It worked fine for that, but I found doc
for it to be quite limited. That's all I've done with it -- I don't
generally do work that needs a scope, and I have a Rigol that works fine.

73, Jim K9YC

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Hi All,

Two price steps in Rigol/Siglent low price Oscilloscopes, $300 and $600.
$300 class has smaller and lower resolution display. Smaller display
results with limited size raster graphics output image files. Recently
upgraded to a Rigol DS2202A. Much larger display. Example image files
shown here:
https://www.kn5l.net/VNWA-Calibrate/OpAmpFixture/

John KN5L
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Dear Friends,
I recently purchased a Hantek 4102C, 100Mhz, dual trace and have a signal generator as a bonus! Plenty of nice features on this scope, at an affordable price $274.00.
I’m very satisfied, meet all my needs. I highly recommend this nice scope.
Best regards to all,
Fernando Sindeaux, PY1BL

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> On 8 Dec 2020, at 20:28, Rajiv Dewan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Another option is to forego a traditional oscilloscope and get a usb one instead. I have the pico oscilloscope and it is fantastic. I use it with a laptop and using a mouse seems way better than fiddling with dials.
>
> Raj, N2RD
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> Rajiv Dewan
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>
>
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I have the Rigol DS1054Z and have found it to be very useful. One of the few things thing that bugs me is that it has no date/time clock so all the files you save have the same date/time stamp.
>>
>> Decide what features you want and check if they are included in the base price. Some of the scope manufacturers make their money on options that are quite expensive. It used to be possible to generate the enable codes for all the DS1054Z options but that loophole may have been closed.
>>
>> It took a while to get used to using a digital storage scope but now I seldom turn on the older analog scope.
>>
>> 73,
>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
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I would be remiss, as a Keysight employee, to not mention the option of
going with something like the Keysight model EDUX1052A (available from
numerous vendors such as Mouser) or, if the budget permits and one wants to
do things like sweep filters, have an integrated bench signal generator,
serial data protocol analyser, etc., the DSOX1204G (which I have).

Keysight is the test equipment company formerly known by many as
Hewlett-Packard, today headquartered in Santa Rosa, CA.

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Wow. A lot of great info. Seems Rajiv N2RD is the only one suggesting a dongle, which is initially where I thought I was going with this. The Hantek IDSO1070A does usb/wifi to Android/iOS/Windows so phone/tablet/notebook/desktop should all work, and remotely within router range. It runs off an internal Li-Ion, with those pros and cons.

Personally, unlike Rajiv, I believe I would prefer a complete box with display, knobs, and buttons over a computer interface, but the latter does seem offer some benefits.

I saw the comment about the screen shots being saved to the computer not having time stamps. Back in the day, my screen shot Polaroids that got taped into an paper notebook didn't have time stamps either, so I can def see the benefit there.
I'm still taking it all in and ruminating on it. My need isn't urgent.

TNX
Lou W7HV

On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 6:55:44 PM MST, Richard S. Leary <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'll third the Siglent SDS 1202X-E. It also replaced my Tek 465. Plenty of
scope for my needs. Works well when working on a K2.

73,
Rick W7LKG

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Oscilloscope recs

I second the Siglent SDS 1202X-E. I bought one last year to service the
Elecraft rigs that come through and it is more scope than I need but has
some really nice features. A lot of scope for the money. Much smaller on my
bench than my old analog Tek 465.

73,
Dave, W8FGU
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John Oppenheimer

Re: Oscilloscope recs

Hi Lou,

Rigol DS2202A has time in saved image. But not date! Not sure why not
date, as it does have internal date for file system time stamp.

yes, prefer to have display with knobs and buttons!

Good luck with your search.

John KN5L

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> I saw the comment about the screen shots being saved to the computer not having time stamps. Back in the day, my screen shot Polaroids that got taped into an paper notebook didn't have time stamps either, so I can def see the benefit there.
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I too prefer a self contained scope with knobs and buttons. Keep in mind
that most, if not all of these modern scopes can also be directly
controlled from a PC via USB or Ethernet. So you can have it all!

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:38 AM John Oppenheimer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Lou,
>
> Rigol DS2202A has time in saved image. But not date! Not sure why not
> date, as it does have internal date for file system time stamp.
>
> yes, prefer to have display with knobs and buttons!
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> John KN5L
>
> On 12/9/20 8:40 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:
> > I saw the comment about the screen shots being saved to the computer not
> having time stamps. Back in the day, my screen shot Polaroids that got
> taped into an paper notebook didn't have time stamps either, so I can def
> see the benefit there.
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On 2020-12-09 09:37:-0600, John Oppenheimer wrote:
>Hi Lou,
>Rigol DS2202A has time in saved image. But not date! Not sure why not
>date, as it does have internal date for file system time stamp.

It DOES seem puzzling that such a trivial thing is missing. It would have even been useful to set the date and time each time I start the scope. But I have a GREP utility that handles many of my file naming needs, and immediately after storing images on a thumb drive, I put the drive in the laptop and run the grep util. It renames the files to Rigol DS1202ZE nn yyyymmdd hhmmss (24hr), using the laptop date and time, so they are not too far off.

~R~
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On 2020-12-09 12:07 p.m., Rich NE1EE wrote:
> On 2020-12-09 09:37:-0600, John Oppenheimer wrote:
>> Hi Lou,
>> Rigol DS2202A has time in saved image. But not date! Not sure why not
>> date, as it does have internal date for file system time stamp.
>
> It DOES seem puzzling that such a trivial thing is missing.

I also prefer using a proper scope with a display, knobs, and buttons. Space
on my workbench is at a premium. The only computers I have near my bench are
a Pi 3 and a Pi Zero W. The monitor sits on a nearby shelf that.

I just checked and if you do have a nearby computer and you connect it to
the Rigol you can set the date and time using SCPI commands.

BTW, I checked the other day and the web site for getting the keys to enable
features in the Rigol is still up. Using it would probably void the
warranty. Your best bet is to get the scope around Black Friday or Cyber
Monday when the keys for all the features are provided by the seller.

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FWIW I use three scopes for different purposes.

A Siglent SDS1202X-E is my all-purpose digital scope. There's a large
user community, and a lot of info on getting up to speed with it. I like
capabilities such as capturing screenprints containing a lot of data
overlaying the waveform graphic.

I got a PicoScope (USB) when I was setting up my K3S for 630m last year.
With a simple interface, the PicoScope can be a handy way of checking
the phase of the voltage and current of the tx amp's output in order to
match the antenna as precisely as possible. With remote access software
(NoMachine in my case, TeamViewer is also widely used), the scope's
display can be viewed in real-time on an Ipad outdoors.

My frequency measuring Elmer, who is old school, uses an analog scope
set in XY mode to watch the rotation of a Lissajous pattern. He
persuaded me that an analog scope is better for this purpose than a
digital one -- screen movement on the latter is in small but discernible
steps, while motion is smoother on an analog scope. So I picked up a
vintage Tektronix T922 for this admittedly niche purpose.

Frank K6FOD

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> Hi,
> I'm looking for a basic O scope for general HF ham use. I figure 2 channels and 50+ mHz bandwidth. A few years ago I got rid of my old CRT 30mHz scope figuring I'd get something more modern and compact. I though USB, but I see full scopes are pretty cheap, $250 and up. I see some USB/WIFI types for 1/2 that. So far, I'm looking at Siglent, Rigol, Hantek. Any suggestions, recs or input?
> TNX
>
> Lou W7HV

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On 2020-12-09 14:04:-0500, Kevin Cozens wrote:
I just checked and if you do have a nearby computer and you connect it to the Rigol you can set the date and time using SCPI commands.

I just tried to get this to work...got a visa32.dll error, so did a massive NI update. Then I could start Ultrascope, but still not connect. Tried the web, but no joy...any advice?

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
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I opted for a Rigol DS1202Z-E.

Thanks for all the great input. These scopes are all amazing for the price and have way more capability than I'll use.

Lou W7HV
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On 2020-12-09 14:04:-0500, Kevin Cozens wrote:
I just checked and if you do have a nearby computer and you connect it to the Rigol you can set the date and time using SCPI commands.

I just tried to get this to work...got a visa32.dll error, so did a massive NI update. Then I could start Ultrascope, but still not connect. Tried the web, but no joy...any advice?

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
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Rich NE1EE-2

Re: Oscilloscope recs

On 2020-12-11 18:33:+0000, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:
>I opted for a Rigol DS1202Z-E.�

I pursued getting the DS1202 to work with USB. I have in place a grep process to rename files as they come off the Rigol, because if the timestamp issue.

The Rigol website is anything but clear, and I didn't find much on fora, either. The Rigol websites
https://rigol.force.com/support/s/
https://rigol.force.com/support/s/article/DS1202Z-E-Unable-to-Connect-to-UltraScope

suggested to me that I needed
Ultrascope for DS1000E Series.zip

It would not connect.
Further searches turned up that I needed to install
ni-visa_20.0_online_repack2.exe
massive...and helped, but still no joy.

Another round of spin the wheel at Rigol turned up this trio
UltraScope(PC)Installer_00.01.01.07.zip
UltraStation setup.zip
Ultra Sigma_00_01_06_01.zip

No notes about which to choose or why.

I started with the UltraStation setup.zip.
It seemed to be headed in the right direction.

I edited the Init file as suggested. Not sure if I needed to, but figured it could not hurt.
I downloaded
MSO1000Z_DS1000Z_ProgrammingGuide_EN.pdf
and there found this
"(5) Control the instrument remotely
Right click the resource name "MSO1104Z (USB0::0x1AB1::0x04CE::DS1ZD170800001::INSTR)" and select "SCPI Panel Control" to turn on the remote command control panel through which you can send commands and read data."

the same r-click shows Options, which you can follow to a Print Screen button. For me, by default, it saved the screen in bmp, jpg, and png.

At last I was on my way...
Clicking the wrench gets you eventually to a place where you can save the screen. But that did not work.

Ultrascope never did work, though after installing the NI package and UltraStation, it would then connect. As soon as I try to use it, it disconnects. It will connect again, but with the same result.

I don't see a command or a way to change the date on the DS1202 yet, but with this method, it is not needed. I will also explore downloading data files using UltraStation. If you want to contact me off list, that is fine.

I also found a firmware update, and checking, found that my scope was slightly out of date. I followed the directions and upgraded. It was successful, with ONE CAVEAT:

Don't hit OK on the scope at steps 5 and 11.
...\DS1000Z-E Firmware 6.2.0.1\DS1000Z-E(ARM)Update\DS1000Z-E Upgrade Instructions.txt
5. When the interface displays "Upgrade finished!", restart the instrument. DO NOT press OK on the scope!!! Power off. Remove USB drive. Power on.

Del the upgrade file.
Copy the new one to USB drive.

11. When the interface displays "Upgrade finished!", restart the instrument. DO NOT press OK on the scope!!! Power off. Remove USB drive. Power on.
Del the upgrade file on USB drive.

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
The Dusty Key
On the banks of the Piscataqua

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