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It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 before it has even been put into production and released for sale >The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer >needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide >-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other >accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing >angle. 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ ================================================================ THANKS Wayne and Eric. That is just exactly what I was hoping for. Sounds PERFECT. Can't wait to get one! 73, Bill - K6WLM KX1 K2 K3/100 The following is a quote from a recent eHam review: "Which brings me to another issue. While I commend Elecraft for its customer service, it appears that the K3 is now being designed to satisfy the "squeaky wheels" on the reflector. There seems to be a large number of owners who want a custom radio, and will stop at nothing in order to get the company to change the firmware so it suits their individual tastes. It seems as though the firmware beta changes are arriving more and more frequently. This is both good and bad. While it is nice to see the improvements, I think that it is getting to be a little overwhelming (and wonder about the utility of many of the "improvements"). It appears that many are to simply satisfy the vocal minority. I'd rather see Elecraft survey its entire user base as to what things might be changed, rather than the (highly) vocal few that populate the reflector." ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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At 11:17 AM 13/08/09, you wrote:
>It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 >before it has even been put into production and released for sale > I agree, we should at least wait until the knob debate has completed. k7up ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I understand the sentiment, but Elecraft does want to hear the good and the bad. This is what makes them different.
As they have aptly stated, they are "big boys" (no slight meant to lisa ans company) and they can take. I look forward to a panadaptor in most any iteration. I haven't seen one since I worked on them on B52G/H's. David Wilburn NM4M Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Miner <[hidden email]> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:17:45 To: <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Critics It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 before it has even been put into production and released for sale >The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer >needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide >-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other >accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing >angle. 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ ================================================================ THANKS Wayne and Eric. That is just exactly what I was hoping for. Sounds PERFECT. Can't wait to get one! 73, Bill - K6WLM KX1 K2 K3/100 The following is a quote from a recent eHam review: "Which brings me to another issue. While I commend Elecraft for its customer service, it appears that the K3 is now being designed to satisfy the "squeaky wheels" on the reflector. There seems to be a large number of owners who want a custom radio, and will stop at nothing in order to get the company to change the firmware so it suits their individual tastes. It seems as though the firmware beta changes are arriving more and more frequently. This is both good and bad. While it is nice to see the improvements, I think that it is getting to be a little overwhelming (and wonder about the utility of many of the "improvements"). It appears that many are to simply satisfy the vocal minority. I'd rather see Elecraft survey its entire user base as to what things might be changed, rather than the (highly) vocal few that populate the reflector." ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Just curious ... in your mind, how useful is criticism AFTER the form/fit/function has been completely finalized and the equipment is already in stock? In the absence of any other way to offer an input during the concept or development process (Elecraft doesn't appear to have a defined process for market research), it seems to me that feedback immediately after the preliminary announcement ... as Wayne stated, while there still might be an opportunity for modification ... would be more valuable to the company than having potential customers simply make an alternative choice later. 73, Dave AB7E ------Original Mail------ From: "Bill Miner" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:17:45 -0700 PDT Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Critics It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 before it has even been put into production and released for sale ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Sad to say, but none of us has THAT long! 8-)
73 - Ken, VE3HLS > I agree, we should at least wait until the knob debate has > completed. > > k7up ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Now that knob debate comment was funny.
On a more serious note, I'd have to agree with the critics. The P3 isn't worth my time unless it has an espresso maker built in along with a 2m amplifier. Oh, it also has to be able to give me a massage, take the kids to school, pick up my dry cleaning, and wash the car. And Wayne, if you're listening; please make sure it has a "Work/Career" button somewhere on it, so that way I can press it and it will go to the office for me. 73 de James K2QI On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Ken Alexander <[hidden email]>wrote: > Sad to say, but none of us has THAT long! 8-) > > 73 - Ken, VE3HLS > > > > I agree, we should at least wait until the knob debate has > > completed. > > > > k7up > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Ditto on the comments. I have never had the pleasure of a Panadpter and look
forward to its release. Bill K9yeq -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:11 PM To: Bill Miner; [hidden email]; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics I understand the sentiment, but Elecraft does want to hear the good and the bad. This is what makes them different. As they have aptly stated, they are "big boys" (no slight meant to lisa ans company) and they can take. I look forward to a panadaptor in most any iteration. I haven't seen one since I worked on them on B52G/H's. David Wilburn NM4M Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Miner <[hidden email]> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:17:45 To: <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Critics It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 before it has even been put into production and released for sale >The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer >needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide >-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other >accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing >angle. 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ ================================================================ THANKS Wayne and Eric. That is just exactly what I was hoping for. Sounds PERFECT. Can't wait to get one! 73, Bill - K6WLM KX1 K2 K3/100 The following is a quote from a recent eHam review: "Which brings me to another issue. While I commend Elecraft for its customer service, it appears that the K3 is now being designed to satisfy the "squeaky wheels" on the reflector. There seems to be a large number of owners who want a custom radio, and will stop at nothing in order to get the company to change the firmware so it suits their individual tastes. It seems as though the firmware beta changes are arriving more and more frequently. This is both good and bad. While it is nice to see the improvements, I think that it is getting to be a little overwhelming (and wonder about the utility of many of the "improvements"). It appears that many are to simply satisfy the vocal minority. I'd rather see Elecraft survey its entire user base as to what things might be changed, rather than the (highly) vocal few that populate the reflector." ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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We have a -very- defined process for market research. :-) And part of
that is the feedback we get from the reflector, pro and con. We also have a very defined method of prioritizing our regular K3 internal feature upgrades. We are not haphazardly responding to the loudest noise on the reflector ;-) The P3 we are showing at Santa Barbara is our engineering prototype. Our intent is to get additional feedback on the design. While we will not be totally redesigning it (we've done a lot of prior market research) we do expect to incorporate some of the suggestions. Plus we have many unannounced P3 features and the feedback gives us a feel for what we should work on first. Also, the P3 has fully upgradeable firmware through the same K3Utility process as the K3. We ask that people do not criticize it as if it was 100% complete and shipping today. It certainly will evolve slightly as it gets to market. We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em coming. That's how we get the best products out there. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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SWEET!!!
Can someone pass the kool-aid please? I had assumed it was firmware upgradeable. Thanks for the update. Look forward to the pics and more info. Or just setup a webcam at the booth! Dave Wilburn NM4M Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > We have a -very- defined process for market research. :-) And part of > that is the feedback we get from the reflector, pro and con. We also > have a very defined method of prioritizing our regular K3 internal > feature upgrades. We are not haphazardly responding to the loudest noise > on the reflector ;-) > > The P3 we are showing at Santa Barbara is our engineering prototype. Our > intent is to get additional feedback on the design. While we will not be > totally redesigning it (we've done a lot of prior market research) we do > expect to incorporate some of the suggestions. Plus we have many > unannounced P3 features and the feedback gives us a feel for what we > should work on first. > > Also, the P3 has fully upgradeable firmware through the same K3Utility > process as the K3. > > We ask that people do not criticize it as if it was 100% complete and > shipping today. It certainly will evolve slightly as it gets to market. > We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em > coming. That's how we get the best products out there. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > Elecraft > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:08 PM, David Wilburn wrote: > Or just setup a webcam at the booth! Ha! All you would see would be the backs of a bunch of heads and an ever expanding puddle of drool on the floor :-) But seriously, I like that idea. 73 -- Joe KB8AP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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At 8/13/2009 03:00 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em >coming. That's how we get the best products out there. As long as everyone is evaluating a product they haven't seen yet, I can add my request. Since none of the specs have been released, I don't know if one feature I would like to see is in there or not, but I would like to see a video out (VGA, etc.) so that a large LCD display could be used. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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...with a resolution of at least 1680x1050 and ~60 Hz refresh rate, too, please?
Thanks! ________________________________ From: Ed K1EP <[hidden email]> At 8/13/2009 03:00 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em >coming. That's how we get the best products out there. As long as everyone is evaluating a product they haven't seen yet, I can add my request. Since none of the specs have been released, I don't know if one feature I would like to see is in there or not, but I would like to see a video out (VGA, etc.) so that a large LCD display could be used. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I am interested in this... Is it possible perhaps after this weekend that
Elecraft can share the resolution of the display that has been chosen? ~Brett -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Frerichs Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:39 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics ...with a resolution of at least 1680x1050 and ~60 Hz refresh rate, too, please? Thanks! ________________________________ From: Ed K1EP <[hidden email]> At 8/13/2009 03:00 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em >coming. That's how we get the best products out there. As long as everyone is evaluating a product they haven't seen yet, I can add my request. Since none of the specs have been released, I don't know if one feature I would like to see is in there or not, but I would like to see a video out (VGA, etc.) so that a large LCD display could be used. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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As much info and photos as possible after the convention please Eric,
so us guys on the other side of the pond can respond. To the people who do see it, your feedback for those that can't get to see it would be much appreciated. I have been waiting for this product since the suggestion that it might be forthcoming was made, even before I actually had my K3. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- Unix is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. -- Dennis Ritchie On 13 Aug 2009, at 20:00, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > We ask that people do not criticize it as if it was 100% complete and > shipping today. It certainly will evolve slightly as it gets to > market. > We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em > coming. That's how we get the best products out there. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I too would like that and perhaps a USB input to accept a PowerMate or
mouse for moving across the screen. Both have a click capability and might be easier than a knob mounted vertically that one must press (depends on the force required for the press). I had thought this might be the same width as the K3 enclosure and intended to go below the K3, thereby making a much wider screen - perhaps there are cost/reliability issues with that wide a screen? If it’s a separate enclosure, perhaps a replacement side panel for the K3 with some form of fixing 'lug' so the two can the locked together, but would be separable when required - the kind of protruded slot and inverted L might work, like : | | _| K3 || | P3 |_|| | | | But all this is mute really, without more info I don't feel I can add more. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- The lame man who keeps the right road outstrips the runner who takes a wrong one. The more active and swift the latter is, the further he will go astray. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) On 13 Aug 2009, at 22:02, Ed K1EP wrote: > At 8/13/2009 03:00 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > >> We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em >> coming. That's how we get the best products out there. > > As long as everyone is evaluating a product they haven't seen yet, I > can add my request. Since none of the specs have been released, I > don't know if one feature I would like to see is in there or not, but > I would like to see a video out (VGA, etc.) so that a large LCD > display could be used. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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