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GREG WILSON

P3 Feature Request

Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would like
to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT. When a DX
station is "working up", for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3. If I have good
propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the "last
station worked". If some other part of the country or world has better
propagation, then I might like to be able to "find a hole" in the pile-up.
Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful. 73 de
Greg-N4CC

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Stan Gibbs, KR7C

Re: P3 Feature Request

n4cc@cableone.net wrote

Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would like
to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.

If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band. I use this existing capability all the time to work pileups. Does XIT have some other advantage that I'm missing?

73, Stan - KR7C

Stephen Prior

Re: P3 Feature Request

In reply to this post by GREG WILSON

I would second this request.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 13/03/2011 21:56, "Greg" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
>like
>to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT. When a DX
>station is "working up", for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
>place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3. If I have good
>propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the
>"last
>station worked". If some other part of the country or world has better
>propagation, then I might like to be able to "find a hole" in the pile-up.
>Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful. 73 de
>Greg-N4CC
>
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Stewart Baker

Re: P3 Feature Request

This must be fairly high up on the to do list.

Using SPLIT and VFO B is not really a satisfactory alternative.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:20:13 +0000, Stephen Prior wrote:

> I would second this request.
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
>
> On 13/03/2011 21:56, "Greg" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
>>like
>>to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT. When a DX
>>station is "working up", for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
>>place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3. If I have good
>>propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the
>>"last
>>station worked". If some other part of the country or world has better
>>propagation, then I might like to be able to "find a hole" in the pile-up.
>>Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful. 73 de
>>Greg-N4CC
>>
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Doug Turnbull

Re: P3 Feature Request

Why is using split not a suitable alternative? Am I missing something? I
ask out of curiosity not as any form of criticism. I use split with VFO B
all the time and see no problem with this arrangement and to be honest never
use nor understand the need for RIT and I would like to know why RIT is
there and why some prefer it. So please do not take offence.

The P3 is a great help in finding a spot to park oneself when calling off
frequency.

73 Doug EI2CN

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To: Stephen Prior; elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

This must be fairly high up on the to do list.

Using SPLIT and VFO B is not really a satisfactory alternative.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:20:13 +0000, Stephen Prior wrote:

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Stewart Baker

Re: P3 Feature Request

No offence taken Doug,
I think that you meant XIT not RIT.

Using SPLIT to mimic the action of XIT when operating SO2V in contests
could get a bit confusing...

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:10:45 -0000, Doug Turnbull wrote:

> Why is using split not a suitable alternative? Am I missing something? I
> ask out of curiosity not as any form of criticism. I use split with VFO B
> all the time and see no problem with this arrangement and to be honest never
> use nor understand the need for RIT and I would like to know why RIT is
> there and why some prefer it. So please do not take offence.
>
> The P3 is a great help in finding a spot to park oneself when calling off
> frequency.
>
> 73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stewart
> Sent: 14 March 2011 11:03
> To: Stephen Prior; elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request
>
> This must be fairly high up on the to do list.
>
> Using SPLIT and VFO B is not really a satisfactory alternative.
>
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:20:13 +0000, Stephen Prior wrote:
>> I would second this request.
>>
>> 73 Stephen G4SJP
>>
>> On 13/03/2011 21:56, "Greg" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
>>>like
>>>to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT. When a DX
>>>station is "working up", for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
>>>place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3. If I have good
>>>propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the
>>>"last
>>>station worked". If some other part of the country or world has better
>>>propagation, then I might like to be able to "find a hole" in the pile-up.
>>>Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful. 73 de
>>>Greg-N4CC
>>>
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Alan Bloom-2

Re: P3 Feature Request

In reply to this post by Stan Gibbs, KR7C

I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.

In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
transmit frequency on the P3. I'm not sure that another cursor is the
right answer though. The display is already crowded with two cursors
and up to two markers.

I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located. They could be
colored red to make them stand out.

Alan

On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:

> [hidden email] wrote:
> >
> > Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
> > like
> > to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.
> >
>
> If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and
> the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band. I use
> this existing capability all the time to work pileups. Does XIT have some
> other advantage that I'm missing?
>
>
> -----
> 73, Stan - KR7C
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k.igor

Re: P3 Feature Request

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I don't know about the XIT, I don't use it that often. But when split is active and VFO B is transmit frequency, it would be nice if the color of VFO B cursor changes to reflect that.

73,

Igor, N1YX

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From: "Alan Bloom" <[hidden email]>
To: "Stan Gibbs" <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:32:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.

In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
transmit frequency on the P3. I'm not sure that another cursor is the
right answer though. The display is already crowded with two cursors
and up to two markers.

I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located. They could be
colored red to make them stand out.

Alan

On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:

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gm3sek

Re: P3 Feature Request

In reply to this post by Alan Bloom-2

Alan Bloom wrote:
>I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
>the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
>affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.
>

The main use for XIT is in CW contests and simplex DX pileups, to apply
a small 'tactical' offset of typically a few tens of Hz. Full split
operation is not appropriate in this situation - you can already hear
everything in the main RX.

>In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
>transmit frequency on the P3.

"Nice" makes it sound like eye candy - but it's more than that. Exactly
where you'll be transmitting within the displayed spectrum is one of the
most important pieces of information that the P3 has to offer.

>I'm not sure that another cursor is the right answer though. The
>display is already crowded with two cursors and up to two markers.
>
>I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
>the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located. They could be
>colored red to make them stand out.
>
In order of importance I'd put the transmitted spectrum occupancy some
way ahead of the markers. It should pop up on the P3 whenever the
'delta-F' LED is active on the K3, and preferably in red.

--

73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Re: P3 Feature Request

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Hi Alan,

If it came to a vote, I would suggest the use of a full height vertical line
to indicate one's transmitter frequency on any panadapter's spectrum
display, because it is much easier to see than a cursor or a marker or a
couple of little arrows, especially at 3 am. Also when using a full height
vertical line, it becomes easy to set one's Tx carrier frequency into the
'right hole' during a pileup.

I would suggest that if you do use a full height vertical line, it dhould be
placed "behind" the panadapter's spectrum display.

Of course,whether one's Tx frequency is set by VFO B or XIT, or by any other
means, this should not affect the panadapter's indication of one's Tx
frequency.

If you could colour a vertical line red that would be a bonus.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

On March 14, 2011, at 16:32Z, Alan Bloom wrote:

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: P3 Feature Request

In reply to this post by Alan Bloom-2

Alan,

> I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to
> control the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT
> (which does affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use
> XIT.

I'm not sure I agree with you ... I know I regularly use XIT when
chasing a CW DX and the station I'm calling is working the edges
of an "on frequency" pile-up. Using XIT at +/-200 Hz is much more
convenient that using split with VFO A/B.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 3/14/2011 12:32 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:

> I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
> the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
> affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.
>
> In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
> transmit frequency on the P3. I'm not sure that another cursor is the
> right answer though. The display is already crowded with two cursors
> and up to two markers.
>
> I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
> the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located. They could be
> colored red to make them stand out.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:
>> [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
>>> like
>>> to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.
>>>
>>
>> If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and
>> the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band. I use
>> this existing capability all the time to work pileups. Does XIT have some
>> other advantage that I'm missing?
>>
>>
>> -----
>> 73, Stan - KR7C
>> --
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Nels Anderson

Re: P3 Feature Request

In reply to this post by k.igor

Along the same lines, it would be handy when running split if the P3
displayed both the VFO A and VFO B frequencies. This would provide an
additional reminder that you are running split and allow you to easily
see exactly where VFO B was just by watching the P3.

Nels K1UR

On 3/14/2011 1:13 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

>
> I don't know about the XIT, I don't use it that often. But when split is active and VFO B is transmit frequency, it would be nice if the color of VFO B cursor changes to reflect that.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Igor, N1YX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Bloom"<[hidden email]>
> To: "Stan Gibbs"<[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:32:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request
>
> I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
> the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
> affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.
>
> In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
> transmit frequency on the P3. I'm not sure that another cursor is the
> right answer though. The display is already crowded with two cursors
> and up to two markers.
>
> I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
> the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located. They could be
> colored red to make them stand out.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:
>> [hidden email] wrote:
>>> Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
>>> like
>>> to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.
>>>
>> If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and
>> the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band. I use
>> this existing capability all the time to work pileups. Does XIT have some
>> other advantage that I'm missing?
>>
>>
>> -----
>> 73, Stan - KR7C
>> --
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Doug Turnbull

Re: P3 Feature Request

A flashing TX cursor might help prevent accidental calling on a DX stations
frequency. On occasion I need a stick of dynamite to jar me awake.
73 Doug EI2CN

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Sent: 14 March 2011 20:21
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

Along the same lines, it would be handy when running split if the P3
displayed both the VFO A and VFO B frequencies. This would provide an
additional reminder that you are running split and allow you to easily
see exactly where VFO B was just by watching the P3.

Nels K1UR

On 3/14/2011 1:13 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> I don't know about the XIT, I don't use it that often. But when split is
active and VFO B is transmit frequency, it would be nice if the color of VFO
B cursor changes to reflect that.

>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Igor, N1YX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Bloom"<[hidden email]>
> To: "Stan Gibbs"<[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:32:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request
>
> I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
> the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
> affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.
>
> In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
> transmit frequency on the P3. I'm not sure that another cursor is the
> right answer though. The display is already crowded with two cursors
> and up to two markers.
>
> I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
> the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located. They could be
> colored red to make them stand out.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:
>> [hidden email] wrote:
>>> Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
>>> like
>>> to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.
>>>
>> If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency

and
>> the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band. I use
>> this existing capability all the time to work pileups. Does XIT have
some
>> other advantage that I'm missing?
>>
>>
>> -----
>> 73, Stan - KR7C
>> --
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ml

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Stewart Baker

Re: P3 Feature Request

In reply to this post by gm3sek

Thanks Ian,
You got your brain round the explanation, where mine failed...

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:31:24 +0000, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

> Alan Bloom wrote:
>>I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
>>the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
>>affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.
>>
>
> The main use for XIT is in CW contests and simplex DX pileups, to apply
> a small 'tactical' offset of typically a few tens of Hz. Full split
> operation is not appropriate in this situation - you can already hear
> everything in the main RX.
>
>>In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
>>transmit frequency on the P3.
>
> "Nice" makes it sound like eye candy - but it's more than that. Exactly
> where you'll be transmitting within the displayed spectrum is one of the
> most important pieces of information that the P3 has to offer.
>
>>I'm not sure that another cursor is the right answer though. The
>>display is already crowded with two cursors and up to two markers.
>>
>>I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
>>the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located. They could be
>>colored red to make them stand out.
>>
> In order of importance I'd put the transmitted spectrum occupancy some
> way ahead of the markers. It should pop up on the P3 whenever the
> 'delta-F' LED is active on the K3, and preferably in red.

KH7T

Re: P3 Feature Request

In reply to this post by GREG WILSON

I usually do not like "me too" posts, but:

I *_really_* like the idea of showing a high contrast line on the P3
with the absolute frequency the K3 will transmit on. No exceptions, it
must include split, QSK, XIT, CW, SSB, REV, etc. This line could have
menu options to be suppressed if the VOX is off or if the operator
really does not want the feature.
I believe the existing displays on the K3 or on the P3 are could be
improved toward idiot proof for split and me.

The feature could go a long way toward reducing inadvertent lid
transmissions. Of course you and I never have that problem!

Aloha,
John KH7T
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