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Bill Henderson

P3 Queue

Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been identified and overcome.

I've ordered mine.

Bill
GM0VIT

Dunc Carter - W5DC

Re: P3 Queue

I'm not keen to be at the head of the queue for the same reasons plus
the P500 is a higher priority for me. I'd also like to know what other
features will be implemented.

Dunc, W5DC

Bill Henderson wrote:
> Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be
> more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been
> identified and overcome.
>
> I've ordered mine.
>
> Bill
> GM0VIT
>

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Fred Atchley

Re: P3 Queue

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Bill wrote: Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely
it would be more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems
have been identified and overcome.

<End snip

Waiting is not one of my strong suits. Actually I have been waiting since I
first saw the P3 at the Santa Barbara Hamfest in August of last year. This
leaves me to believe that the guys at Elecraft have "teethed" the living
daylights out of it. I have the kit K3 and ordered the P3 kit, so I'm very
comfortable with updates. Besides, I need a little air time to make the most
of the P3 during the upcoming California QSO party which is the 1st weekend
of October.

73, Fred, AE6IC, K3#2241

" Do or Do-not. There is no 'Try'..." ~ Yoda

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bobgarceau

Re: P3 Queue

I'll second that.

Bob, W1EQ, #4199 K3

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Bill wrote: Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely
it would be more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems
have been identified and overcome.

<End snip

" Do or Do-not. There is no 'Try'..." ~ Yoda

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Guy, K2AV

Re: P3 Queue

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> This
> leaves me to believe that the guys at Elecraft have "teethed" the living
> daylights out of it. I have the kit K3 and ordered the P3 kit, so I'm very
> comfortable with updates.

There is a point where the imagination of the designers and primary
testers is exhausted (HOWEVER productive that may have been) and only
real customers in all their gawd-awful varying circumstances can come
up with the typical breadth of complaints from the inane to wanting
new features. This secondary phase and their positive and imaginative
response to it (often omitted by Yakencom development) is what has
made Elecraft into what it is today.

So there is some sense to waiting out the secondary phase. With this
company the product on the other side of the secondary development
will be quite keen and effectively engineered by the masses for the
masses.

But I'm not sure I can wait it out either....

73, Guy.
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: P3 Queue

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It is the early adopters, those at the front of the queue who help to work out those bugs that are part of the teething process for the benefit of those who come later. If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the early adopters.

Thank you to the early adopters, you make it a better product for me.

As for me and my shack -- we will be an early adopter.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Aug 1, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Bill Henderson wrote:

>
> Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be
> more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been
> identified and overcome.
>
> I've ordered mine.
>
> Bill
> GM0VIT
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Bruce Beford-2

Re: P3 Queue

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Bill, GM0VIT wrote:

> Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be
> more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been
> identified and overcome.

Sensible? Perhaps.

However, one of the greatest points of puchasing Elecraft products is the
on-going development that occurs after introduction. Usually, that doesn't
happen at all with the big-box manufacturers. With Elecraft, having an early
unit does not mean that you are "stuck with what you bought". Their products
undergo continuous improvement, based on real-world user feedback. I enjoy
being part of that process.

I ordered my K3 before there was such a thing. I waited 9 months for s/n 559
to arrive. (Earlier orders had to wait even longer.) Since then, There have
been several updates and modifications that have come out that make it an
-even better- radio than the one I bought. I have enjoyed performing every
mod, and installing every upgrade. That's just me. Others may feel better
waiting, and getting a later unit. That's fine too. You just miss out on the
early excitement, and all the operating time on the new toy since
introduction. In the Elecraft community, there's room for all. Some of us
enjoy being early adopters. Here, we have learned that that can be a -good-
thing.

Bruce Beford, N1RX
K1, KX1, K2, K3 (and P3)

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John-483

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At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote:
>If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the
>early adopters.

I'm not too sure if this is physically possible.

John

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Phil Hystad-3

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Think of the early adopters as waves if users. The first wave is defined as the early adopters. But, if the first wave did not exist, the second wave becomes the first wave and therefore becomes the early adopters.

On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, John wrote:

> At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote:
>> If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the
>> early adopters.
>
>
> I'm not too sure if this is physically possible.
>
> John
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Phil Hystad-3

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Correction: "...waves of users"

On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:

> Think of the early adopters as waves if users. The first wave is defined as the early adopters. But, if the first wave did not exist, the second wave becomes the first wave and therefore becomes the early adopters.
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, John wrote:
>
>> At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote:
>>> If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the
>>> early adopters.
>>
>>
>> I'm not too sure if this is physically possible.
>>
>> John
>>
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John-483

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If there isn't a first wave in the first place, there can't possibly
be a second wave.

Forgive me, it's a slow Sunday. :-)

At 01:34 PM 01/08/10, you wrote:

>Think of the early adopters as waves if users. The first wave is
>defined as the early adopters. But, if the first wave did not
>exist, the second wave becomes the first wave and therefore becomes
>the early adopters.
>
>
>On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, John wrote:
>
> > At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote:
> >> If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the
> >> early adopters.
> >
> >
> > I'm not too sure if this is physically possible.
> >
> > John
> >
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Michael Carter-4

Re: P3 Queue

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Being an early adopter of new products has several disadvantages and
advantages.

Advantages:

- Bragging rights to others who don't jump as quickly as you.
- Discovery of product capabilities and early start of learning curve.
- Use and advantage of ownership of tool not available to others.
- You have another TOY.... Yea!!!!!!!!!!

Disadvantages:

- You get warts and all...
- High Potential of required firmware/software updates to clear
operational and functional issues.
- Possibilities of hardware mods to correct sub-standard performance.

I have done both, personally and professionally and it's palpable as long as
you keep in mind the risk/reward of your decision.

Mike NT5DX

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Bill Henderson <[hidden email]>wrote:

>
> Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be
> more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been
> identified and overcome.
>
> I've ordered mine.
>
> Bill
> GM0VIT
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Phil Hystad-3

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The second wave is the first wave by definition. Just like solving the infinite ladder resistance network problem.

On Aug 1, 2010, at 1:32 PM, John wrote:

> If there isn't a first wave in the first place, there can't possibly
> be a second wave.
>
> Forgive me, it's a slow Sunday. :-)
>
> At 01:34 PM 01/08/10, you wrote:
>> Think of the early adopters as waves if users. The first wave is
>> defined as the early adopters. But, if the first wave did not
>> exist, the second wave becomes the first wave and therefore becomes
>> the early adopters.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, John wrote:
>>
>>> At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote:
>>>> If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the
>>>> early adopters.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not too sure if this is physically possible.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
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hf4me

P3 Queue Demo station

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I have the Route 66 Special Event coming up 9/11-19 and want to have the P3
to play with during that time. Come talk to me about it during slow times.
I also have a hamfest coming 8/15 where I will have an HF and VHF station up
for demo to new guys AND will have my K3 and hopefully P3 there to demo also
and BET I have a lot of "lookers" for the P3 who are not the new guys.
Making BIG "Elecraft K3/P3" signs pointing to the station.

I also built my K3 and will do the same for the P3 and am comfortable taking
it all apart to put in the updates. WIll be ordering the remainder and
getting all up to date soon. You know, that "time" thing.

73, de Jim KG0KP

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AB3EN

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Michael Carter-4 wrote

I have done both, personally and professionally and it's palpable as long as
you keep in mind the risk/reward of your decision.

I have likewise done both and have never regretted the decision to jump in early with Elecraft. I just OK'ed the info to ship my P3. It looks like there is lot's of room to fill with future goodies. I am sure we can help Eric and company think of good stuff to add to the empty space ;-)

Dan
AB3EN

Dan AB3EN