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P3 beta software with noise blanker

New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
site:

http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm

This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
testing. Please report them to [hidden email].

This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
Owner's Manual.

Enjoy!

Alan N1AL

=================

Noise Blanker

The noise blanker in the P3 reduces the effect of impulse-type noise on
the display. It has little or no effect on other types of noise such as
thermal noise and static crashes but can dramatically reduce impulse
noise from sources such as the AC power line and the ignition systems of
motor vehicles.

The noise blanker is turned on or off using the menu entry "NB En",
which can be assigned to a function key for easy access. You can adjust
the aggressiveness of the noise blanker algorithm with the menu entry
"NB Level". The higher the setting the more completely it blanks the
noise but also the more likely it will cause distortion of desired
signals. Use the lowest setting that effectively blanks the noise. A
value of about 10 or 11 is a good starting point for experimentation.
Note that the REF LVL and SCALE settings have no effect on the noise
blanker.

If there are one or more very strong signals within the P3 displayed
frequency range, the noise blanker has a hard time detecting the
difference between the unwanted pulses and the wanted signals. The
solution is to narrow the span and/or offset the center frequency
(perhaps using fixed-tune mode) to place the strong signals well outside
the P3's display range.

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Re: [Elecraft_K3] P3 beta software with noise blanker

This new P3 Beta Noise Blanker feature works very well for me here.

I am plagued by electric fence clicks and while the K3 NB does a great job
of eliminating the audible clicks I could always see them on the P3,
displayed as horizontal lines in the Waterfall and base line jumping in
sync with the clicks.

Now with the P3 NB engaged this annoyance is eliminated. Great job!

Many thanks Alan and Elecraft.

73 F5VJC

On 24 April 2014 22:13, Alan Bloom <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
> site:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
>
> This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
> option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
> firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
> testing. Please report them to [hidden email].
>
> This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
> the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
> is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
> Owner's Manual.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Alan N1AL
>
> =================
>
> Noise Blanker
>
> The noise blanker in the P3 reduces the effect of impulse-type noise on
> the display. It has little or no effect on other types of noise such as
> thermal noise and static crashes but can dramatically reduce impulse
> noise from sources such as the AC power line and the ignition systems of
> motor vehicles.
>
> The noise blanker is turned on or off using the menu entry "NB En",
> which can be assigned to a function key for easy access. You can adjust
> the aggressiveness of the noise blanker algorithm with the menu entry
> "NB Level". The higher the setting the more completely it blanks the
> noise but also the more likely it will cause distortion of desired
> signals. Use the lowest setting that effectively blanks the noise. A
> value of about 10 or 11 is a good starting point for experimentation.
> Note that the REF LVL and SCALE settings have no effect on the noise
> blanker.
>
> If there are one or more very strong signals within the P3 displayed
> frequency range, the noise blanker has a hard time detecting the
> difference between the unwanted pulses and the wanted signals. The
> solution is to narrow the span and/or offset the center frequency
> (perhaps using fixed-tune mode) to place the strong signals well outside
> the P3's display range.
>
> ===============
>
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W2RMS

Re: [Elecraft_K3] P3 beta software with noise blanker

Hi everyone!
Is there a reason why you can't save the P3 settings using the P3 Utility, like we do in the K3 Utility?

Also, not sure if anyone saw this but would it be possible to keep the last used label highlighted on the screen?
When you press any of the FN* buttons - to keep the label lit up on screen?
Makes it a lot easier to see what the current setting is, especially if its being used for the SPAN.

Thanks!
Slava B
W2RMS

On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:00 AM, F5vjc <[hidden email]> wrote:

> This new P3 Beta Noise Blanker feature works very well for me here.
>
> I am plagued by electric fence clicks and while the K3 NB does a great job
> of eliminating the audible clicks I could always see them on the P3,
> displayed as horizontal lines in the Waterfall and base line jumping in
> sync with the clicks.
>
> Now with the P3 NB engaged this annoyance is eliminated. Great job!
>
> Many thanks Alan and Elecraft.
>
> 73 F5VJC
>
>
> On 24 April 2014 22:13, Alan Bloom <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
>> site:
>>
>> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
>>
>> This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
>> option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
>> firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
>> testing. Please report them to [hidden email].
>>
>> This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
>> the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
>> is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
>> Owner's Manual.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>> =================
>>
>> Noise Blanker
>>
>> The noise blanker in the P3 reduces the effect of impulse-type noise on
>> the display. It has little or no effect on other types of noise such as
>> thermal noise and static crashes but can dramatically reduce impulse
>> noise from sources such as the AC power line and the ignition systems of
>> motor vehicles.
>>
>> The noise blanker is turned on or off using the menu entry "NB En",
>> which can be assigned to a function key for easy access. You can adjust
>> the aggressiveness of the noise blanker algorithm with the menu entry
>> "NB Level". The higher the setting the more completely it blanks the
>> noise but also the more likely it will cause distortion of desired
>> signals. Use the lowest setting that effectively blanks the noise. A
>> value of about 10 or 11 is a good starting point for experimentation.
>> Note that the REF LVL and SCALE settings have no effect on the noise
>> blanker.
>>
>> If there are one or more very strong signals within the P3 displayed
>> frequency range, the noise blanker has a hard time detecting the
>> difference between the unwanted pulses and the wanted signals. The
>> solution is to narrow the span and/or offset the center frequency
>> (perhaps using fixed-tune mode) to place the strong signals well outside
>> the P3's display range.
>>
>> ===============
>>
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W2RMS

P3 SVGA monitor choices

Hi all!
What do you guys use for an external monitor when using P3/SVGA?
I saw a video on YouTube of a guy using a small touch screen with the Lp-Pan/NaP3, but that can't be done with a P3, right?
Can't really use a touch screen because there's no such functionality in the P3.
So in that case that just leaves a regular monitor choices.
I'm assuming wide screen (16:9) is a way to go?
Any size recommendations?

Just wanted to see what everyone uses and draw some conclusions based on that.

Thanks a bunch in advance!

Slava B
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P3 Utility Question

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Hello,

Is there a way using the P3 Utility program to save the captured scan to
disk, as opposed to a screen shot then saving and editing that shot? I
would like to be able to grab a shot from the P3, and save just that
shot to disk.

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On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 08:18 -0400, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> Is there a reason why you can't save the P3 settings using the P3 Utility, like we do in the K3 Utility?
>
> Also, not sure if anyone saw this but would it be possible to keep the last used label highlighted on the screen?
> When you press any of the FN* buttons - to keep the label lit up on screen?
> Makes it a lot easier to see what the current setting is, especially if its being used for the SPAN.
>
> Thanks!
> Slava B
> W2RMS
>
> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:00 AM, F5vjc <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > This new P3 Beta Noise Blanker feature works very well for me here.
> >
> > I am plagued by electric fence clicks and while the K3 NB does a great job
> > of eliminating the audible clicks I could always see them on the P3,
> > displayed as horizontal lines in the Waterfall and base line jumping in
> > sync with the clicks.
> >
> > Now with the P3 NB engaged this annoyance is eliminated. Great job!
> >
> > Many thanks Alan and Elecraft.
> >
> > 73 F5VJC
> >
> >
> > On 24 April 2014 22:13, Alan Bloom <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
> >> site:
> >>
> >> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
> >>
> >> This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
> >> option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
> >> firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
> >> testing. Please report them to [hidden email].
> >>
> >> This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
> >> the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
> >> is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
> >> Owner's Manual.
> >>
> >> Enjoy!
> >>
> >> Alan N1AL
> >>
> >> =================
> >>
> >> Noise Blanker
> >>
> >> The noise blanker in the P3 reduces the effect of impulse-type noise on
> >> the display. It has little or no effect on other types of noise such as
> >> thermal noise and static crashes but can dramatically reduce impulse
> >> noise from sources such as the AC power line and the ignition systems of
> >> motor vehicles.
> >>
> >> The noise blanker is turned on or off using the menu entry "NB En",
> >> which can be assigned to a function key for easy access. You can adjust
> >> the aggressiveness of the noise blanker algorithm with the menu entry
> >> "NB Level". The higher the setting the more completely it blanks the
> >> noise but also the more likely it will cause distortion of desired
> >> signals. Use the lowest setting that effectively blanks the noise. A
> >> value of about 10 or 11 is a good starting point for experimentation.
> >> Note that the REF LVL and SCALE settings have no effect on the noise
> >> blanker.
> >>
> >> If there are one or more very strong signals within the P3 displayed
> >> frequency range, the noise blanker has a hard time detecting the
> >> difference between the unwanted pulses and the wanted signals. The
> >> solution is to narrow the span and/or offset the center frequency
> >> (perhaps using fixed-tune mode) to place the strong signals well outside
> >> the P3's display range.
> >>
> >> ===============
> >>
> >> __._,_.___
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Re: P3 Utility Question

After you click "capture image", click "File" on the menu bar (top left), Save As, and type in a file name and click "save".

Dick, K6KR

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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:10 AM
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Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Question

Hello,

Is there a way using the P3 Utility program to save the captured scan to disk, as opposed to a screen shot then saving and editing that shot? I would like to be able to grab a shot from the P3, and save just that shot to disk.

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On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 08:18 -0400, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

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Re: P3 Utility Question

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Hi Dave,

The best way to do what you want is to use the USB port on the P3 SVGA
adapter. You can attach a Flash drive and save a screen to it via the
SVGA menu. I do this a lot, and just leave an old 128 MB unit
connected most of the time. I only pull it out once in a while to
dump the screen shots on it.

This won't work if you don't have the SVGA adapter, because that P3
option hosts the USB socket.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:09:45 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Is there a way using the P3 Utility program to save the captured scan to
>disk, as opposed to a screen shot then saving and editing that shot? I
>would like to be able to grab a shot from the P3, and save just that
>shot to disk.
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln
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Re: P3 beta software with noise blanker

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Alan,

Nice work -- thank you very much for implementing this! Prior to this,
even though the K3 NB was very effective at eliminating the powerline
noise, the P3 was pretty much useless since the signals were not visible
below the noise. No longer the case!

Will you also be implementing this on the SVGA side as well?

Thank you again!

73, Dale
WA8SRA

> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
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> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
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> ...

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Re: P3 SVGA monitor choices

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Hi,

I picked up a 15" Dell LCD monitor at my local Thrift store for $15. Works like a champ and I like the size. I find the 15" is about perfect and it sits on top of the K3/P3 very nicely.

BTW, I actually prefer the "old" 4:3 aspect over the 16:9 because I think the P3 display is better having extra vertical room.

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On 4/25/2014, at 5:46 , Slava Baytalskiy <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all!
> What do you guys use for an external monitor when using P3/SVGA?
> I saw a video on YouTube of a guy using a small touch screen with the Lp-Pan/NaP3, but that can't be done with a P3, right?
> Can't really use a touch screen because there's no such functionality in the P3.
> So in that case that just leaves a regular monitor choices.
> I'm assuming wide screen (16:9) is a way to go?
> Any size recommendations?
>
> Just wanted to see what everyone uses and draw some conclusions based on that.
>
> Thanks a bunch in advance!
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Re: P3 Utility Question

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A kind person pointed out that there was a "Save As' in the drop down
dialog box under FILE. I just assumed there was not one when I did not
see it in a right click dialog box
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Re: P3 SVGA monitor choices

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On 4/25/2014 5:46 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:
> What do you guys use for an external monitor when using P3/SVGA?
> I saw a video on YouTube of a guy using a small touch screen with the Lp-Pan/NaP3, but that can't be done with a P3, right?
> Can't really use a touch screen because there's no such functionality in the P3.

I'm using cast-off computer monitors -- someone upgrades their desktop,
the old monitor is surplus. I had a few of these myself, and a post to
the email reflectors of a couple of local clubs yielded several more.
All free.

Be VERY cautious about the current crop of monitors with touch controls
-- one of the monitors a local ham gave me was a new Samsung BX2250 LCD
that he could not use because it goes nuts when he transmits. Even
running from my 12V battery, it's also a noise generator.

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Re: P3 beta software with noise blanker

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On 04/25/2014 06:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Will you also be implementing this on the SVGA side as well?
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>
It's on the list.

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I am unable to try this at this time. Are you saying this only shows up on the built-in monitor and not on the external SVGA monitor?

Keith

Alan,

Nice work -- thank you very much for implementing this! Prior to this,
even though the K3 NB was very effective at eliminating the powerline
noise, the P3 was pretty much useless since the signals were not visible
below the noise. No longer the case!

Will you also be implementing this on the SVGA side as well?

Thank you again!

73, Dale
WA8SRA

Vic Rosenthal

Re: [Elecraft_K3] P3 beta software with noise blanker

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Very interesting. I didn't have a lot of noise to try it with (my
antennas have been taken down in preparation for a move, so I just stuck
a wire in the K3 antenna jack), but I think it's going to be a help.

Two things that would make this more useful:

1) SVGA support
2) Have it turn on automatically with the K3 NB

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Re: P3 Utility Question

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>>>>> "Dick" == Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email]> writes:

Dick> After you click "capture image", click "File" on the menu bar (top left), Save As, and type in a file name and click "save".
Dick> Dick, K6KR

oh, cool, I hadn't found this function yet. And it even saves as PNG,
neat!

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Re: P3 Utility Question

Hi,

I know why I missed it... I tried via a RIGHT CLICK in the image, got a
dialog menu, but it did not have SAVEAS in it, so I just assumed it was
not available...
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Re: P3 Utility Question

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That surprises me, I thought it saved an uncompressed bitmap.

Duck, K6KR

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>>>>>> "Dick" == Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email]> writes:
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> Dick> After you click "capture image", click "File" on the menu bar (top left), Save As, and type in a file name and click "save".
> Dick> Dick, K6KR
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> neat!
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The Mac version saves as PNG.

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That surprises me, I thought it saved an uncompressed bitmap.

Duck, K6KR

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David> The Mac version saves as PNG.

so does the Linux version I was referring to.

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