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Gary Smith-2

P3 & marker B transmit freq.

Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
(Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
to QSY me to a desired signal.

I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.

Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
not intuitive.

If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
tap on MKR B?

Thanks,

Gary
KA1J

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Gary Smith-2

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

Hello Dick,

That could be done but I would have to manually turn the sub Rx on to
do this, if I am to hear both. Hearing is not mandatory but it is an
asset. And more, it is somewhat disconcerting to use P3 marker A to
affect the K3's VFO "B" receiver and, P3 marker B with the K3s VFO
"A" receiver. It just seems intuitive that the P3 MKR A should be
identified with the K3 VFO A and it's unnecessary mental juggling to
do it backwards.

I know when I use my spot log in my logging program to select a
desired station and frequency, it automatically selects the Sub Rx
"B" in the K3 to go split and be ready to transmit properly assuming
that data was included in the comments section.

It seems intuitive for the MKR B to not only move VFO "B" but to also
put it in split. Since it does not, it seems to me its not doing its
job yet. If that's the case, perhaps that's work for a future update
or there's a setting in the K3 that has to be engaged that hasn't
been done yet and that I haven't yet found.

The mistakes I've been experiencing in the pileups have been because
after selecting the magenta B to be on the desired place in the
pileup to transmit so the DX hears me, I then forget to also go to
the K3 and hold down the split button. I'm used to such changes being
done automatically by my logging program. To me, it's the only reason
to QSY VFO B when you need a split operation.

Gary
KA1J

> Can you move the marker A green up and put the magenta b freq on
the dx station? I've not used the P3 for this, but I normally use
the 2nd Rx to listen to the DX station and move VFO A around in the
pileup. I make fewer mistakes than when I try split.

>
> Dick, K6KR
>
>
>
> > On Mar 18, 2014, at 23:30, "Gary Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
> > (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
> > to QSY me to a desired signal.
> >
> > I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
> > button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
> > and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
> > goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
> > engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
> >
> > Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
> > split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
> > listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
> > frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
> > procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
> > not intuitive.
> >
> > If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
> > want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
> > differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
> > tap on MKR B?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
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Nr4c

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

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No, not intuitive.

MKR B is the VFO B frequency. Often one wants to listen on the B frequency. It may be on another band.
SPLIT is a special case, not the norm.

...bill nr4c

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
>(Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
>to QSY me to a desired signal.
>
>I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
>button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
>and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
>goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
>engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
>
>Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
>split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
>listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
>frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
>procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
>not intuitive.
>
>If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
>want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
>differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
>tap on MKR B?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Gary
>KA1J
>
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Gary Smith-2

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

Bill,

Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
cases I will be split.

Since 1979 I've never listened on two bands simultaneously and if I
want to see what's happening on different bands that is of my DX
interest, I use the spot log in Logic 9, my logging software and it
compares all current spots posted in North America (my default) to
what is needed in my log and displays who, what, when, & where and
one click on the spot log & I QSY there. For that matter, it can
retain that spotting data for up to a month if I'm seeking a trend on
an operators methods.

So, for my style of operation to date, I 100% of the time would want
the P3 to engage MKR B as a transmit frequency. For the prior 20
years till I assembled the K3 in 08 I used a Corsair II & external
VFO; I used it that way as well with the external VFO listening for
the place to transmit. Now thanks to the P3 I can see the spots and
don't need to hear them and the P3 is a great tool for DXing for me.

What I do when I seek DX is so logical to me I can't help but think
its common for others as well. SInce the P3 communicates with the K3,
a firmware update of either the P3 or K3 to allow this choice of
engaging split when you select MKR B would be a genuine asset, I
expected it was a given.

Gary
KA1J

> No, not intuitive.
>
> MKR B is the VFO B frequency. Often one wants to listen on the B
> frequency. It may be on another band.
> SPLIT is a special case, not the norm.
>
> ...bill nr4c
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
> (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
> to QSY me to a desired signal.
>
> I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
> button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
> and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
> goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
> engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
>
> Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
> split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
> listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
> frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
> procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
> not intuitive.
>
> If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
> want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
> differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
> tap on MKR B?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
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k5oai

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

just a thought....
how about creating a macro that does what you want...?

On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
> cases I will be split.
>
> Since 1979 I've never listened on two bands simultaneously and if I
> want to see what's happening on different bands that is of my DX
> interest, I use the spot log in Logic 9, my logging software and it
> compares all current spots posted in North America (my default) to
> what is needed in my log and displays who, what, when, & where and
> one click on the spot log & I QSY there. For that matter, it can
> retain that spotting data for up to a month if I'm seeking a trend on
> an operators methods.
>
> So, for my style of operation to date, I 100% of the time would want
> the P3 to engage MKR B as a transmit frequency. For the prior 20
> years till I assembled the K3 in 08 I used a Corsair II & external
> VFO; I used it that way as well with the external VFO listening for
> the place to transmit. Now thanks to the P3 I can see the spots and
> don't need to hear them and the P3 is a great tool for DXing for me.
>
> What I do when I seek DX is so logical to me I can't help but think
> its common for others as well. SInce the P3 communicates with the K3,
> a firmware update of either the P3 or K3 to allow this choice of
> engaging split when you select MKR B would be a genuine asset, I
> expected it was a given.
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>> No, not intuitive.
>>
>> MKR B is the VFO B frequency. Often one wants to listen on the B
>> frequency. It may be on another band.
>> SPLIT is a special case, not the norm.
>>
>> ...bill nr4c
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
>> (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
>> to QSY me to a desired signal.
>>
>> I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
>> button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
>> and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
>> goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
>> engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
>>
>> Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
>> split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
>> listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
>> frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
>> procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
>> not intuitive.
>>
>> If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
>> want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
>> differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
>> tap on MKR B?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gary
>> KA1J

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K5OAI
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Peter Wollan-2

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

Another thought .... how about putting the magenta marker on the DX
transmit frequency, and roam up with the A green main knob? And leave
split off.

Peter W0LLN

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> just a thought....
> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
>
>
> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
>> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
>> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
>> cases I will be split.
>>
>>

Gary Smith-2

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

Hi Peter,

There are several ways to do what for me are work-arounds but all
require doing several things to accomplish what to me should be a one
step operation, leave out a step & I hear the cops yelling UP LID or
worse only to see the QSY did not engage transmit and I was
transmitting on the DX transmitting freq.

I could switch markers and get used to thinking of the VFOs in
reverse but since using the K3, A is the main & B is the 2nd VFO and
I'm a creature of habit. Now that I have the P3, its all so obvious
what I want to do but that detail appears not to be included in the
P3 options at this time.

Gary
KA1J

> Another thought .... how about putting the magenta marker on the DX
> transmit frequency, and roam up with the A green main knob? And
> leave split off.
>
> Peter W0LLN
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> just a thought....
> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
>
>
> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
> cases I will be split.
>

Gary Smith-2

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by k5oai

Sam,

No, I've never made a macro, no idea how I'd approach that to
accomplish this. If it would work I'd be willing to try. What I was
expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial for anyone
who operates as I do.

Gary
KA1J

> just a thought....
> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
>
> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
> > though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
> > its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
> > cases I will be split.
> >
> > Since 1979 I've never listened on two bands simultaneously and if I
> > want to see what's happening on different bands that is of my DX
> > interest, I use the spot log in Logic 9, my logging software and it
> > compares all current spots posted in North America (my default) to
> > what is needed in my log and displays who, what, when, & where and
> > one click on the spot log & I QSY there. For that matter, it can
> > retain that spotting data for up to a month if I'm seeking a trend on
> > an operators methods.
> >
> > So, for my style of operation to date, I 100% of the time would want
> > the P3 to engage MKR B as a transmit frequency. For the prior 20
> > years till I assembled the K3 in 08 I used a Corsair II & external
> > VFO; I used it that way as well with the external VFO listening for
> > the place to transmit. Now thanks to the P3 I can see the spots and
> > don't need to hear them and the P3 is a great tool for DXing for me.
> >
> > What I do when I seek DX is so logical to me I can't help but think
> > its common for others as well. SInce the P3 communicates with the K3,
> > a firmware update of either the P3 or K3 to allow this choice of
> > engaging split when you select MKR B would be a genuine asset, I
> > expected it was a given.
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> >
> >> No, not intuitive.
> >>
> >> MKR B is the VFO B frequency. Often one wants to listen on the B
> >> frequency. It may be on another band.
> >> SPLIT is a special case, not the norm.
> >>
> >> ...bill nr4c
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
> >> (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
> >> to QSY me to a desired signal.
> >>
> >> I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
> >> button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
> >> and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
> >> goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
> >> engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
> >>
> >> Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
> >> split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
> >> listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
> >> frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
> >> procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
> >> not intuitive.
> >>
> >> If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
> >> want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
> >> differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
> >> tap on MKR B?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Gary
> >> KA1J
>
>
> --
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
>

Vic Rosenthal

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by Peter Wollan-2

This is what I've learned to do. The only problem is that once you enter
this mode, if you want to fool with selectivity, APF, shift, etc. to
hear the DX better, you must press BSET first.

On 3/19/2014 6:42 AM, Peter Wollan wrote:

> Another thought .... how about putting the magenta marker on the DX
> transmit frequency, and roam up with the A green main knob? And leave
> split off.
>
> Peter W0LLN
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> just a thought....
>> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
>>> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
>>> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
>>> cases I will be split.

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Fresno CA
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Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by Gary Smith-2

> What I was expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial
> for anyone who operates as I do.

That's not how it was designed to work. Enabling split anytime Marker B
was tapped would be disruptive to most users.

In the vast majority of cases setting/tapping Marker B says "this is an
interesting signal - set VFO B so I can check it out using the KRX-3 or
by executing A/B."

You are asking for something that is "a bridge to far" and expecting
the K3/P3 to anticipate an abnormal action.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 3/19/2014 11:17 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

> Sam,
>
> No, I've never made a macro, no idea how I'd approach that to
> accomplish this. If it would work I'd be willing to try. What I was
> expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial for anyone
> who operates as I do.
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>> just a thought....
>> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
>>
>> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
>>> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
>>> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
>>> cases I will be split.
>>>
>>> Since 1979 I've never listened on two bands simultaneously and if I
>>> want to see what's happening on different bands that is of my DX
>>> interest, I use the spot log in Logic 9, my logging software and it
>>> compares all current spots posted in North America (my default) to
>>> what is needed in my log and displays who, what, when, & where and
>>> one click on the spot log & I QSY there. For that matter, it can
>>> retain that spotting data for up to a month if I'm seeking a trend on
>>> an operators methods.
>>>
>>> So, for my style of operation to date, I 100% of the time would want
>>> the P3 to engage MKR B as a transmit frequency. For the prior 20
>>> years till I assembled the K3 in 08 I used a Corsair II & external
>>> VFO; I used it that way as well with the external VFO listening for
>>> the place to transmit. Now thanks to the P3 I can see the spots and
>>> don't need to hear them and the P3 is a great tool for DXing for me.
>>>
>>> What I do when I seek DX is so logical to me I can't help but think
>>> its common for others as well. SInce the P3 communicates with the K3,
>>> a firmware update of either the P3 or K3 to allow this choice of
>>> engaging split when you select MKR B would be a genuine asset, I
>>> expected it was a given.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> KA1J
>>>
>>>> No, not intuitive.
>>>>
>>>> MKR B is the VFO B frequency. Often one wants to listen on the B
>>>> frequency. It may be on another band.
>>>> SPLIT is a special case, not the norm.
>>>>
>>>> ...bill nr4c
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
>>>> (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
>>>> to QSY me to a desired signal.
>>>>
>>>> I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
>>>> button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
>>>> and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
>>>> goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
>>>> engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
>>>>
>>>> Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
>>>> split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
>>>> listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
>>>> frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
>>>> procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
>>>> not intuitive.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
>>>> want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
>>>> differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
>>>> tap on MKR B?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>> KA1J
>>
>>
>> --
>> GB & 73
>> K5OAI
>> Sam Morgan
>>
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Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by Gary Smith-2

Hi Gary,

I understand your need and as others have indicated it's not really how most folks use markers. My findings have been that the markers are not optimum for split DX chasing.

When DX is operating split I immediately hold the SPLIT button and turn on the SUB RX and then spin the VFO B knob on the K3 while observing the magenta and red (split) cursors on the P3. With the SUB RX turned on I can hear all of the callers as I'm turning the VFO B dial and I am able to more finely drop my signal in then by just visualizing its placement with the P3 alone. This also does away with the necessity of pushing the P3 knob. I have found this to be quicker, more accurate, and more intuitive then using markers.

73,
Mike K2MK

Gary Smith-2 wrote

Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
(Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
to QSY me to a desired signal.

I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.

Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
not intuitive.

If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
tap on MKR B?

Thanks,

Gary
KA1J

Stan Gibbs, KR7C

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by Gary Smith-2

Gary,

If you are willing to push a different button than MKRB, you can modify your DX split procedure by using the PF1 and PF2 buttons to execute a macro that puts turns the sub-receiver on, copies VFO settings from A to B to make sure they are on the same band and consistent, sets VFO B to be the transmit VFO and puts the rig in SPLIT mode. It also moves VFO B up 1 kHz (UPB4;) and finally makes sure that RIT and XIT are off. When the rig is put into SPLIT by the "FT1;" macro, the P3's MKRB will appear automatically

If you do this, then holding PF1 instead of MKRB accomplishes everything you are trying to do. Holding PF2 restores the simplex DX configuration.

Macros are programmed from the K3 utility's "Command Tester/K3 Macros" tab. I named my macros "SPLITSUB" and "NOSPLIT", which are displayed in the VFO B area when the macro is executed. The text below before the ":" is the macro label, and the text after the ":" is the macro command string. Follow the process on page 6 of the K3/KX3 Programmer's manual to create the macro, download it to the K3 and associate the PF1/PF2 buttons.

SPLITSUB: SB1;SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB4;RT0;XT0

NOSPLIT: SB0;FT0;RT0;XT0;SWT13;SWT13

73, Stan - KR7C

gm3sek

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by Vic Rosenthal

Forgive me, but I don't understand why anyone calling in a pileup would
ever wish to use the main RX to tune the pileup, while listening to the
DX station on the 2nd RX.

The K3's Main RX and 2nd RX are identical in performance; but they are
not identical in ease of use. It always takes a few seconds more to
reach the functions of the 2nd RX because of the BSET button.

We need to ask ourselves: which station do we need hear the best; and
why?

The DX station that we are trying to work is the ONLY station that we
need to copy accurately and in detail. That station is also likely to be
quite weak, and these days we may also be fighting deliberate, malicious
QRM on the DX station's own frequency. For all of those reasons, surely
it makes sense to listen to the DX station on the Main RX (VFO A) where
all of the K3's QRM-fighting tools are instantly to hand?

The 2nd RX is completely adequate for tuning the pileup because we
aren't listening for details there. We only need to find where a station
is sending "599" and "TU", to help us judge where and when to place our
own call. We don't need to copy any further detail, so why waste the
Main RX on tuning the pileup?

For tuning the pileup with the 2nd RX, I have always found my saved
Normal passband settings to be completely adequate, and have never felt
the need to change them on the fly. There isn't time to do that anyway,
because in the next few seconds everything will have moved on.

Maybe this is all a habit, developed from using older transceivers with
a very inferior 2nd RX... but it still seems to make good sense today.

73 from Ian GM3SEK

>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
>[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal K2VCO
>Sent: 19 March 2014 14:26
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 & marker B transmit freq.
>
>This is what I've learned to do. The only problem is that once you
enter
>this mode, if you want to fool with selectivity, APF, shift, etc. to
>hear the DX better, you must press BSET first.
>
>On 3/19/2014 6:42 AM, Peter Wollan wrote:
>> Another thought .... how about putting the magenta marker on the DX
>> transmit frequency, and roam up with the A green main knob? And
leave

>> split off.
>>
>> Peter W0LLN
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>>
>>> just a thought....
>>> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
>>>> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the

P3,
>>>> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all
those
>>>> cases I will be split.
>
>--
>73,
>Vic, K2VCO
>Fresno CA
>http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by Gary Smith-2

Hmmmm ... that seems like a whole lot of effort to work an other wise
user-friendly radio/panadapter, but to each his own. I can spot DX in a
heartbeat from the pileup on the P3 and of course, just below the pile
will be the UP Cops and [hopefully], the DX under them. I finally built
a PF1 macro to do: A-->B; A-->B; Move B up 5 KHz; Go to SPLIT. PF2
undoes it. Moving my TX freq with the B-knob and P3 is quick and
painless. I don't have the second receiver.

Other than holding SPLIT, I don't know how to transmit on VFO B.

I got a Pigknob which is on the left of the laptop with the mouse and a
paddle and migrated the macros into the PK. I use the P3 markers during
a contest to mark a multiplier who has a pile on him so I can come back
when he's more lonely.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 3/18/2014 11:30 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

Gary Smith-2

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Hi Joe & others who kindly replied,

What I expect and what I see as efficient may be an "abnormal action"
to another person but to me it is incredibly efficient and doing it
otherwise is making work and is to me an abnormal action.

What I want is engage split when I engage Magenta MKR 2, not to
engage the my Sub Rx or anything else. If I want to check out an
interesting signal seen on the P3 I will use the K3 VFO A to go there
or if I want to do it with the P3 I will use the green MKR A to go
there, certainly not MKR B. - The only time I want to use the magenta
MKR B is when I want to transmit on the frequency I placed MKR B on.
Otherwise MKR B is of no interest to me.

To me, If I wanted to listen to two simultaneous unique signals at
the same time by using MKR B to do that, I would expect to disengage
split and engage the sub Rx.

When I am in a pileup I don't care to use the sub RX to hear stations
calling the DX at the same time I am. With the P3 I see the other
stations and don't need to hear them as well. If I weren't using the
P3 then I would want to hear with the sub Rx as otherwise it's
shooting in the dark.

It appears what I expected from the P3 in regards to automatic split
with engaging MKR B is not in the software. For those of us who
prefer to use the VFO A of the K3 to fine tune in the DX and use the
advantage of a narrow span to select where to transmit split and
pounce on it with MKR B, such an option would only make sense.

How about the software engineers at Elecraft making that an option in
the next firmware update. You don't like it, don't use it. You do
like it, then you can use it. To me it makes all the sense in the
world.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> > What I was expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial
> > for anyone who operates as I do.
>
> That's not how it was designed to work. Enabling split anytime Marker B
> was tapped would be disruptive to most users.
>
> In the vast majority of cases setting/tapping Marker B says "this is an
> interesting signal - set VFO B so I can check it out using the KRX-3 or
> by executing A/B."
>
> You are asking for something that is "a bridge to far" and expecting
> the K3/P3 to anticipate an abnormal action.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 3/19/2014 11:17 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Sam,
> >
> > No, I've never made a macro, no idea how I'd approach that to
> > accomplish this. If it would work I'd be willing to try. What I was
> > expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial for anyone
> > who operates as I do.
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> >
> >> just a thought....
> >> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
> >>
> >> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> >>> Bill,
> >>>
> >>> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
> >>> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
> >>> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
> >>> cases I will be split.
> >>>
> >>> Since 1979 I've never listened on two bands simultaneously and if I
> >>> want to see what's happening on different bands that is of my DX
> >>> interest, I use the spot log in Logic 9, my logging software and it
> >>> compares all current spots posted in North America (my default) to
> >>> what is needed in my log and displays who, what, when, & where and
> >>> one click on the spot log & I QSY there. For that matter, it can
> >>> retain that spotting data for up to a month if I'm seeking a trend on
> >>> an operators methods.
> >>>
> >>> So, for my style of operation to date, I 100% of the time would want
> >>> the P3 to engage MKR B as a transmit frequency. For the prior 20
> >>> years till I assembled the K3 in 08 I used a Corsair II & external
> >>> VFO; I used it that way as well with the external VFO listening for
> >>> the place to transmit. Now thanks to the P3 I can see the spots and
> >>> don't need to hear them and the P3 is a great tool for DXing for me.
> >>>
> >>> What I do when I seek DX is so logical to me I can't help but think
> >>> its common for others as well. SInce the P3 communicates with the K3,
> >>> a firmware update of either the P3 or K3 to allow this choice of
> >>> engaging split when you select MKR B would be a genuine asset, I
> >>> expected it was a given.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>> KA1J
> >>>
> >>>> No, not intuitive.
> >>>>
> >>>> MKR B is the VFO B frequency. Often one wants to listen on the B
> >>>> frequency. It may be on another band.
> >>>> SPLIT is a special case, not the norm.
> >>>>
> >>>> ...bill nr4c
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
> >>>> (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
> >>>> to QSY me to a desired signal.
> >>>>
> >>>> I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
> >>>> button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
> >>>> and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
> >>>> goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
> >>>> engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
> >>>> split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
> >>>> listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
> >>>> frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
> >>>> procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
> >>>> not intuitive.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
> >>>> want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
> >>>> differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
> >>>> tap on MKR B?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>> KA1J
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> K5OAI
> >> Sam Morgan
> >>
> >
> >
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

> How about the software engineers at Elecraft making that an option in
> the next firmware update. You don't like it, don't use it. You do
> like it, then you can use it. To me it makes all the sense in the
> world.

I can think of a lot more important things for the software engineer
(N1AL) on the P3 to be working on.

1) baseline clamping with a fixed offset when changing span
2) fixing the center frequency setting on 17/12 meters when
changing bands
3) fixing the center frequency on other bands so the display always
centers to an even 5/10/25 KHz step on the other bands.
4) setting the fix tune mode so it limits the left/right edges of the
screen to the amateur band until one tunes out of the band
5) fixing the loss of scale when changing bands (remember the scale
last used on the target band)

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 3/19/2014 6:40 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

> Hi Joe & others who kindly replied,
>
> What I expect and what I see as efficient may be an "abnormal action"
> to another person but to me it is incredibly efficient and doing it
> otherwise is making work and is to me an abnormal action.
>
> What I want is engage split when I engage Magenta MKR 2, not to
> engage the my Sub Rx or anything else. If I want to check out an
> interesting signal seen on the P3 I will use the K3 VFO A to go there
> or if I want to do it with the P3 I will use the green MKR A to go
> there, certainly not MKR B. - The only time I want to use the magenta
> MKR B is when I want to transmit on the frequency I placed MKR B on.
> Otherwise MKR B is of no interest to me.
>
> To me, If I wanted to listen to two simultaneous unique signals at
> the same time by using MKR B to do that, I would expect to disengage
> split and engage the sub Rx.
>
> When I am in a pileup I don't care to use the sub RX to hear stations
> calling the DX at the same time I am. With the P3 I see the other
> stations and don't need to hear them as well. If I weren't using the
> P3 then I would want to hear with the sub Rx as otherwise it's
> shooting in the dark.
>
> It appears what I expected from the P3 in regards to automatic split
> with engaging MKR B is not in the software. For those of us who
> prefer to use the VFO A of the K3 to fine tune in the DX and use the
> advantage of a narrow span to select where to transmit split and
> pounce on it with MKR B, such an option would only make sense.
>
> How about the software engineers at Elecraft making that an option in
> the next firmware update. You don't like it, don't use it. You do
> like it, then you can use it. To me it makes all the sense in the
> world.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>>> What I was expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial
>>> for anyone who operates as I do.
>>
>> That's not how it was designed to work. Enabling split anytime Marker B
>> was tapped would be disruptive to most users.
>>
>> In the vast majority of cases setting/tapping Marker B says "this is an
>> interesting signal - set VFO B so I can check it out using the KRX-3 or
>> by executing A/B."
>>
>> You are asking for something that is "a bridge to far" and expecting
>> the K3/P3 to anticipate an abnormal action.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2014 11:17 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>>> Sam,
>>>
>>> No, I've never made a macro, no idea how I'd approach that to
>>> accomplish this. If it would work I'd be willing to try. What I was
>>> expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial for anyone
>>> who operates as I do.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> KA1J
>>>
>>>> just a thought....
>>>> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
>>>>
>>>> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
>>>>> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
>>>>> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
>>>>> cases I will be split.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since 1979 I've never listened on two bands simultaneously and if I
>>>>> want to see what's happening on different bands that is of my DX
>>>>> interest, I use the spot log in Logic 9, my logging software and it
>>>>> compares all current spots posted in North America (my default) to
>>>>> what is needed in my log and displays who, what, when, & where and
>>>>> one click on the spot log & I QSY there. For that matter, it can
>>>>> retain that spotting data for up to a month if I'm seeking a trend on
>>>>> an operators methods.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, for my style of operation to date, I 100% of the time would want
>>>>> the P3 to engage MKR B as a transmit frequency. For the prior 20
>>>>> years till I assembled the K3 in 08 I used a Corsair II & external
>>>>> VFO; I used it that way as well with the external VFO listening for
>>>>> the place to transmit. Now thanks to the P3 I can see the spots and
>>>>> don't need to hear them and the P3 is a great tool for DXing for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I do when I seek DX is so logical to me I can't help but think
>>>>> its common for others as well. SInce the P3 communicates with the K3,
>>>>> a firmware update of either the P3 or K3 to allow this choice of
>>>>> engaging split when you select MKR B would be a genuine asset, I
>>>>> expected it was a given.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> KA1J
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, not intuitive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MKR B is the VFO B frequency. Often one wants to listen on the B
>>>>>> frequency. It may be on another band.
>>>>>> SPLIT is a special case, not the norm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...bill nr4c
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
>>>>>> (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
>>>>>> to QSY me to a desired signal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
>>>>>> button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
>>>>>> and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
>>>>>> goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
>>>>>> engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
>>>>>> split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
>>>>>> listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
>>>>>> frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
>>>>>> procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
>>>>>> not intuitive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
>>>>>> want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
>>>>>> differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
>>>>>> tap on MKR B?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> KA1J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> GB & 73
>>>> K5OAI
>>>> Sam Morgan
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

I have my priorities, you have yours.

Out

Gary
KA1J

>
> > How about the software engineers at Elecraft making that an option in
> > the next firmware update. You don't like it, don't use it. You do
> > like it, then you can use it. To me it makes all the sense in the
> > world.
>
> I can think of a lot more important things for the software engineer
> (N1AL) on the P3 to be working on.
>
> 1) baseline clamping with a fixed offset when changing span
> 2) fixing the center frequency setting on 17/12 meters when
> changing bands
> 3) fixing the center frequency on other bands so the display always
> centers to an even 5/10/25 KHz step on the other bands.
> 4) setting the fix tune mode so it limits the left/right edges of the
> screen to the amateur band until one tunes out of the band
> 5) fixing the loss of scale when changing bands (remember the scale
> last used on the target band)
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 3/19/2014 6:40 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Hi Joe & others who kindly replied,
> >
> > What I expect and what I see as efficient may be an "abnormal action"
> > to another person but to me it is incredibly efficient and doing it
> > otherwise is making work and is to me an abnormal action.
> >
> > What I want is engage split when I engage Magenta MKR 2, not to
> > engage the my Sub Rx or anything else. If I want to check out an
> > interesting signal seen on the P3 I will use the K3 VFO A to go there
> > or if I want to do it with the P3 I will use the green MKR A to go
> > there, certainly not MKR B. - The only time I want to use the magenta
> > MKR B is when I want to transmit on the frequency I placed MKR B on.
> > Otherwise MKR B is of no interest to me.
> >
> > To me, If I wanted to listen to two simultaneous unique signals at
> > the same time by using MKR B to do that, I would expect to disengage
> > split and engage the sub Rx.
> >
> > When I am in a pileup I don't care to use the sub RX to hear stations
> > calling the DX at the same time I am. With the P3 I see the other
> > stations and don't need to hear them as well. If I weren't using the
> > P3 then I would want to hear with the sub Rx as otherwise it's
> > shooting in the dark.
> >
> > It appears what I expected from the P3 in regards to automatic split
> > with engaging MKR B is not in the software. For those of us who
> > prefer to use the VFO A of the K3 to fine tune in the DX and use the
> > advantage of a narrow span to select where to transmit split and
> > pounce on it with MKR B, such an option would only make sense.
> >
> > How about the software engineers at Elecraft making that an option in
> > the next firmware update. You don't like it, don't use it. You do
> > like it, then you can use it. To me it makes all the sense in the
> > world.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> >
> >>> What I was expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial
> >>> for anyone who operates as I do.
> >>
> >> That's not how it was designed to work. Enabling split anytime Marker B
> >> was tapped would be disruptive to most users.
> >>
> >> In the vast majority of cases setting/tapping Marker B says "this is an
> >> interesting signal - set VFO B so I can check it out using the KRX-3 or
> >> by executing A/B."
> >>
> >> You are asking for something that is "a bridge to far" and expecting
> >> the K3/P3 to anticipate an abnormal action.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> ... Joe, W4TV
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/19/2014 11:17 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> >>> Sam,
> >>>
> >>> No, I've never made a macro, no idea how I'd approach that to
> >>> accomplish this. If it would work I'd be willing to try. What I was
> >>> expecting as an built-in option though would be beneficial for anyone
> >>> who operates as I do.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>> KA1J
> >>>
> >>>> just a thought....
> >>>> how about creating a macro that does what you want...?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/19/2014 9:31 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> >>>>> Bill,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Understood that some only use it that way, that is not my norm
> >>>>> though. I chase DX and If I engage the magenta operation with the P3,
> >>>>> its to be transmitting on a DX's listening frequency and in all those
> >>>>> cases I will be split.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since 1979 I've never listened on two bands simultaneously and if I
> >>>>> want to see what's happening on different bands that is of my DX
> >>>>> interest, I use the spot log in Logic 9, my logging software and it
> >>>>> compares all current spots posted in North America (my default) to
> >>>>> what is needed in my log and displays who, what, when, & where and
> >>>>> one click on the spot log & I QSY there. For that matter, it can
> >>>>> retain that spotting data for up to a month if I'm seeking a trend on
> >>>>> an operators methods.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, for my style of operation to date, I 100% of the time would want
> >>>>> the P3 to engage MKR B as a transmit frequency. For the prior 20
> >>>>> years till I assembled the K3 in 08 I used a Corsair II & external
> >>>>> VFO; I used it that way as well with the external VFO listening for
> >>>>> the place to transmit. Now thanks to the P3 I can see the spots and
> >>>>> don't need to hear them and the P3 is a great tool for DXing for me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What I do when I seek DX is so logical to me I can't help but think
> >>>>> its common for others as well. SInce the P3 communicates with the K3,
> >>>>> a firmware update of either the P3 or K3 to allow this choice of
> >>>>> engaging split when you select MKR B would be a genuine asset, I
> >>>>> expected it was a given.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>> KA1J
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> No, not intuitive.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> MKR B is the VFO B frequency. Often one wants to listen on the B
> >>>>>> frequency. It may be on another band.
> >>>>>> SPLIT is a special case, not the norm.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...bill nr4c
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
> >>>>>> (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
> >>>>>> to QSY me to a desired signal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
> >>>>>> button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
> >>>>>> and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
> >>>>>> goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
> >>>>>> engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
> >>>>>> split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
> >>>>>> listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
> >>>>>> frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
> >>>>>> procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
> >>>>>> not intuitive.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
> >>>>>> want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
> >>>>>> differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
> >>>>>> tap on MKR B?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>> KA1J
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> GB & 73
> >>>> K5OAI
> >>>> Sam Morgan
> >>>>
> >>>
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Vic Rosenthal

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by gm3sek

One reason for doing this is so that you do not have to use SPLIT, which
turns QRQ mode off. QRQ mode produces 'cleaner' QSK even at slower
speeds, and is pretty much necessary over about 35 wpm to avoid badly
malformed CW.

This is one of the 'rough edges' of the K3 which has to do with the time
it takes the synthesizers to reliably change frequency.

I use macros to take me into/out of "pileup mode', including activating
the subreceiver, putting the appropriate signals into the right and left
channels, moving up two kHz, etc. One minor problem is that the sub
balance control works backwards for my preferred placement of DX in the
left ear and pileup in the right.

I am not totally happy with this situation, but QRQ mode is important to me.

On 3/19/2014 12:18 PM, Ian White wrote:

> Forgive me, but I don't understand why anyone calling in a pileup would
> ever wish to use the main RX to tune the pileup, while listening to the
> DX station on the 2nd RX.
>
> The K3's Main RX and 2nd RX are identical in performance; but they are
> not identical in ease of use. It always takes a few seconds more to
> reach the functions of the 2nd RX because of the BSET button.
>
> We need to ask ourselves: which station do we need hear the best; and
> why?
>
> The DX station that we are trying to work is the ONLY station that we
> need to copy accurately and in detail. That station is also likely to be
> quite weak, and these days we may also be fighting deliberate, malicious
> QRM on the DX station's own frequency. For all of those reasons, surely
> it makes sense to listen to the DX station on the Main RX (VFO A) where
> all of the K3's QRM-fighting tools are instantly to hand?
>
> The 2nd RX is completely adequate for tuning the pileup because we
> aren't listening for details there. We only need to find where a station
> is sending "599" and "TU", to help us judge where and when to place our
> own call. We don't need to copy any further detail, so why waste the
> Main RX on tuning the pileup?
>
> For tuning the pileup with the 2nd RX, I have always found my saved
> Normal passband settings to be completely adequate, and have never felt
> the need to change them on the fly. There isn't time to do that anyway,
> because in the next few seconds everything will have moved on.
>
> Maybe this is all a habit, developed from using older transceivers with
> a very inferior 2nd RX... but it still seems to make good sense today.
>
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal K2VCO
>> Sent: 19 March 2014 14:26
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 & marker B transmit freq.
>>
>> This is what I've learned to do. The only problem is that once you
> enter
>> this mode, if you want to fool with selectivity, APF, shift, etc. to
>> hear the DX better, you must press BSET first.

Stan Gibbs, KR7C

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by Gary Smith-2

Gary Smith-2 wrote

How about the software engineers at Elecraft making that an option in
the next firmware update. You don't like it, don't use it. You do
like it, then you can use it. To me it makes all the sense in the
world.

Gary,

If you don't want the sub-receiver engaged, then take out the "SB1;" command in the SPLITSUB macro:

SPLIT:SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB4;RT0;XT0

and the "SB0;" command in the NOSPLIT macro:

FT0;RT0;XT0;SWT13;SWT13

Of course, you can use any subset of these commands or add others giving you a very powerful capability to customize the operation of the K3/P3. I understand that the PF1 button is not the one you like to use, but you should try it; you might like it once you get used to it.

I will say that it would be cool if you could send K3 serial commands from the P3's function buttons, but, as Joe said, there are many requests on the list that may get attention first.

73, Stan - KR7C

Merv Schweigert

Re: P3 & marker B transmit freq.

In reply to this post by k6dgw

You can make a macro that toggles, my PF1 goes to split and up 5, sub
receiver, hitting it again goes back to
normal.. saves PF2 for another use.

Merv K9FD/KH6

> Hmmmm ... that seems like a whole lot of effort to work an other wise
> user-friendly radio/panadapter, but to each his own. I can spot DX in
> a heartbeat from the pileup on the P3 and of course, just below the
> pile will be the UP Cops and [hopefully], the DX under them. I
> finally built a PF1 macro to do: A-->B; A-->B; Move B up 5 KHz; Go to
> SPLIT. PF2 undoes it. Moving my TX freq with the B-knob and P3 is
> quick and painless. I don't have the second receiver.
>
> Other than holding SPLIT, I don't know how to transmit on VFO B.
>
> I got a Pigknob which is on the left of the laptop with the mouse and
> a paddle and migrated the macros into the PK. I use the P3 markers
> during a contest to mark a multiplier who has a pile on him so I can
> come back when he's more lonely.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 3/18/2014 11:30 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
>> Reading the P3 screen I see a station transmitting. I use Marker A
>> (Green) to pin me on that desired station as soon as I tap the knob
>> to QSY me to a desired signal.
>>
>> I listen to the station and they say UP so I know to hold in the MKR
>> button to activate B ((Magenta) I see where the last transmission is
>> and I place the Magenta marker at that location and tap: The Sub Rx
>> goes to that frequency where the DX was last listening but sub is not
>> engaged, it just sits on that frequency and does nothing with it.
>>
>> Problem is that if I don't then reach over and manually hold the
>> split button on the K3 itself to have the K3 transmit on the DX
>> listening frequency, I'll still keep transmitting on the DX transmit
>> frequency because the K3 will not have gone split; its as if the
>> procedure is halted half way and it shouldn't function this way, its
>> not intuitive.
>>
>> If I'm going to the effort to engage Marker B to QSY its because I
>> want to transmit on the Marker B frequency. What do I have to the do
>> differently to force the K3 go split to transmit on the B freq when I
>> tap on MKR B?
>
>
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