P3 point and click with mouse

[VE3WDM]

Good morning all, just wanted to resurrect an idea that has been tossed around the reflector.  The combination of mouse-based point-and-click tuning within the P3's fixed-tune mode. I am a 100% CW op and this would be great to have if possible. Point and click feature would be great during a contest situation.
Mike
VE3WDM
     
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[Mike K2MK]

Hi Mike,

Your question is interesting. If you're in a contest you must be using a contest program. Do you want another program running on the PC that would require you to leave the confines of your contest program? I think not.

You would probably want the contest program to have a direct tie-in to the P3 over the existing K3/P3 serial link. Something like holding the shift key causes the mouse to talk to the P3. Releasing the shift key returns control to the contest program. That could be interesting but would involve the contest program developer(s).

I suppose the alternative is a corded or wireless USB mouse connected directly to the back of the P3. Then you would have two mice on your desk which is probably even less desirable during the heat of a contest (unless you're ambidextrous).

73,
Mike K2MK

VE3WDM wrote

Good morning all, just wanted to resurrect an idea that has been tossed around the reflector.  The combination of mouse-based point-and-click tuning within the P3's fixed-tune mode. I am a 100% CW op and this would be great to have if possible. Point and click feature would be great during a contest situation.
Mike
VE3WDM

[Bill Frantz]

When I use my PC for PSK, the "click-to-tune" mode includes
automatic fine tuning, much like the spot function of the K3.
Automatic fine tuning would be a useful addition for CW, RTTY,
and PSK31 modes. (I think it is unnecessary for AM and FM and
not implementable for SSB.)

I've been operating PSK from a easy chair in the parlor with the
lap top on my lap. (The only radio control I need to access is
the receive volume control on the SignaLink, and it is close to hand.)

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 4/30/13 at 3:43 AM, [hidden email] (Mike Weir) wrote:

>Good morning all, just wanted to resurrect an idea that has
>been tossed around the reflector.  The combination of
>mouse-based point-and-click tuning within the P3's fixed-tune
>mode. I am a 100% CW op and this would be great to have if
>possible. Point and click feature would be great during a
>contest situation.
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[Paul VanOveren-2]

Mike is right, I use N1MM for contest logging and if you move the mouse out
of the "logging box" you lose that function cus the mouse is in the wrong
place...you lose the focus of the mouse. It would be nice to be able to do
it another way.

NF8J
Paul



On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Mike K2MK <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Your question is interesting. If you're in a contest you must be using a
> contest program. Do you want another program running on the PC that would
> require you to leave the confines of your contest program? I think not.
>
> You would probably want the contest program to have a direct tie-in to the
> P3 over the existing K3/P3 serial link. Something like holding the shift
> key
> causes the mouse to talk to the P3. Releasing the shift key returns control
> to the contest program. That could be interesting but would involve the
> contest program developer(s).
>
> I suppose the alternative is a corded or wireless USB mouse connected
> directly to the back of the P3. Then you would have two mice on your desk
> which is probably even less desirable during the heat of a contest (unless
> you're ambidextrous).
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
> VE3WDM wrote
> > Good morning all, just wanted to resurrect an idea that has been tossed
> > around the reflector.  The combination of mouse-based point-and-click
> > tuning within the P3's fixed-tune mode. I am a 100% CW op and this would
> > be great to have if possible. Point and click feature would be great
> > during a contest situation.
> > Mike
> > VE3WDM
>
>
>
>
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[gm3sek]

>
>Your question is interesting. If you're in a contest you must be using
a
>contest program. Do you want another program running on the PC that
>would require you to leave the confines of your contest program? I
think
>not.
>
No, not another program. What's being requested is a standalone function
of the P3 that does not add to the complications of running existing PC
software.

>You would probably want the contest program to have a direct tie-in to
the
>P3 over the existing K3/P3 serial link. Something like holding the
shift key
>causes the mouse to talk to the P3. Releasing the shift key returns
control to
>the contest program. That could be interesting but would involve the
contest
>program developer(s).
>
No, definitely not that - for exactly the reasons you state.

>I suppose the alternative is a corded or wireless USB mouse connected
>directly to the back of the P3.

Ah, now you're getting there!

>Then you would have two mice on your desk
>which is probably even less desirable during the heat of a contest
(unless
>you're ambidextrous).
>
The people requesting the function have thought the issues through. We
are quietly confident that the human race can handle the Two Mouse
Problem, because many of us have been doing it in the work environment
for years.

Also, the reasons for requesting this feature are by no means
exclusively related to contesting. Any time that the mouse can <jump>
you to the right frequency before you (or the other guy) could get there
by spinning the knob, that's a feature worth having. It would certainly
have many uses in DXing, particularly in pileups or where the band is
barely open and sparsely occupied.

Another example: in the big 6m Es opening this morning, I had the P3SVGA
displaying the whole of the bottom 200kHz of the band, trying to
identify each new amateur signal as it emerged out of the video QRM. It
would have been very handy - and very much quicker - to be able to hop
around the display using the mouse, instead of having to spin the dial.

For the record, I believe that the feature being requested is to QSY
VFOA with a left-click, and VFOB separately with a right-click, using a
mouse plugged into the USB port of the P3SVGA (as an alternative to a
keyboard or the USB drive).


73 from Ian GM3SEK


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[M0XDF]

OOH, yes please
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
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On 30 Apr 2013, at 17:51, Ian White wrote:

> For the record, I believe that the feature being requested is to QSY
> VFOA with a left-click, and VFOB separately with a right-click, using a
> mouse plugged into the USB port of the P3SVGA (as an alternative to a
> keyboard or the USB drive).

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[N5GE]

Yes.  That is the way I would like to see it work.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:16:04 +0100, "David Ferrington, M0XDF"
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>OOH, yes please
>73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

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[VE3WDM]

Some great ideas and suggestions coming back, I would be in favour of the mouse coming off the USB port on the P3. This does not tie up the PC's performance but this would involve 2 mice! Which for me is not a problem the PC mouse can run N1MM and the other mouse and search and pounce me around the contest. I have 3 24 inch flat screen monitors. One for the P3, one for the contest programs and the final monitor for MRP40 CW decode (for the 40wpm plus contesters), Google and so on.
I hope those at Elecraft consider this idea.
Mike
VE3WDM

[iw1ayd]

Hi Ian and all.

What you depicted Ian is what any FLEX-RADIO radio could do. It could be
really useful for phone and somewhat interesting for other modes.  
Having a span of 200 KHz is really a big chunk of data to be shown and
not all humans could drive safely over it, let me say, with a monitor
smaller than 20/25" (still small I think). To have, at this wide span, a
smooth usage for any signal mode you also will need such a bigger than
big monitor.
Phone would leave the largest trace, so it could be viewed even in
smallest monitor.
Having a waterfall to look at could be even a more interesting thing, as
it add persistence and we could recognize those persistent patterns much
well.
So also CW and other tight modes may take advantages on what you
pictured out, even with the smaller screens, but still not < 20"/19".
But then we will frantically run on each signal pattern, clicking it and
also spinning that VFO knob to get onto each signal as to decode it. It
could be that having such a span or a smaller span would not permit you
to check into what you see in a  way good enough to decode, by ears and,
worse, by machine. I could imagine that it would not be easy onto
smallest, or even smaller, monitors give the touch and feel of point and
click smoothness to everyone.
(BTW the bigger the screen, the bigger distance from it that anybody
would need to see it all, without having to turn the head head or it
will will me a great ergonomic exercise)

A second mouse, not contesting (but ... follow me), would not be a
problem. Part of the solution could be to have a trackball/s, instead of
two mouse. This woult at times, limit the real eastae needed on our desk
and give a precise place where the mouse live. Not having it running all
the way on top of the desk (this late sound as a cage(?)).
I had used two PCs and one single PC to do SO2R RTTY, WAE and JARTS, the
second solution is much more agreeable for me. But this is a whole
different story as the devices for two PC are a bunch compared to just
one mouse more.

I am coming from almost 3 years of FLEX usage and RTTY contesting, so my
experience couldn't be enough to se all the scenario. Anyway those are
my two cents.

Let me grab some more space of a fringe items that already popped out
here ...
About programs, loggers, and radios it's a whole different story. About
this I am not only driven by my short FLEX and RTTY contesting background.
We don't have right now loggers that could be enough inside any radio as
to give a single point of focus, BTW on the PC. Action is there on the
screen, eyes, and in our hears. Hands are to be moved by the small
possible amount. Right now we are still traveling a lot, if not too
much, in between the radio front panel, the mouse (guess what I use),
the keyboard and the screen. So giving that elusive multiplier  or DX
signal all the time to disappear. Even when we could use external VFO
knobs that could live on the desk we are still prone to some programmers
that misunderstand the whole approach forcing us to focus and un-focus,
back and forth several times, un-synced at all, the logger and the
virtual knob application. Now, since Tmate and brand specific products,
those virtual knobs are much better. Somebody that wrote the software
was listening, at last.

It's really a hard world, good products, but with near zero integration.
RS232 isn't anymore a great form of digital data (not signals!)
transport for integration, foggy me.

IMHO by now the K3/P3 represent , with its intrinsics good RF qualities
and its large catalog of CAT commands one of the best best in class for
RTTY contests (let me try it in the VOLTA). But only if you have enough
MACRO buttons that could accommodate the CAT commands as I need. Not all
Loggers are make in the same way, several of those out they still mimics
old Borland interfaces and DOS commands ... just because this was the
way, that "was" is gone since then, but it seems to me that nobody cares of.

Ian your suggestion, view, is a great idea to be used from inside the
radio, with just some personal concerns about screen real estate and the
usefulness of the rendering on small, <20" screens. I vote for it, if
it's the case. It could be a way as more people get acquainted to
something new.

I wold also vote to have more granularity, atomicity, stepping, in the
Filter Width knob, 50 Hz seems to much, half of it would be better at
half the times.

Hope my poor English would make all this sound to anybody not too stinky.

                                       73 de iw1ayd Salvo

BTW I would also vote, too much(?), for a TMATE like for the K3/P3, why
not! But from inside it, not from the PC! I could see myself running
SO2R, with two of those toys under the left hand, short move to reach
each of the two. With one trackball and two screens, all the CAT
commands needed MACROed. OK, OK, I will stay asleep. The front panel is
definitively gone for the most repetitive tasks. Almost all is on the desk.

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