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Now i guess what i have to ask is how will this affect up with the LP Pan program and adapter? I've got a brand new unit here not yet implemented so not sure if i should go ahead and get it installed or not.
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One thing to consider - According to the P3 announcement:
"It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide..." Which implies, if I'm interpreting this correctly, a max display size of less than 4" x 6". Using LP-PAN and latest PowerSDR I can have a much bigger spectrum display on my 21" monitor. The panafall display is absolutely gorgeous when maximized, and resolution is excellent. The announcement was silent on the size and resolution of the P3 display panel. The LP-PAN/PowerSDR system may offer a substantial advantage in that area. Bob NW8L On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > Now i guess what i have to ask is how will this affect up with the LP Pan program and adapter? I've got a brand new unit here not yet implemented so not sure if i should go ahead and get it installed or not. > > Larry > W0OGH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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All should remember when the P3 comes out the LP-PAN will not disappear
and it will continue to be an option to anyone who would like to continue to use it and/or prefers its operation over that of the P3. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 20:01 -0600, Bob Cunnings wrote: > One thing to consider - According to the P3 announcement: > > "It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide..." > > Which implies, if I'm interpreting this correctly, a max display size > of less than 4" x 6". Using LP-PAN and latest PowerSDR I can have a > much bigger spectrum display on my 21" monitor. The panafall display > is absolutely gorgeous when maximized, and resolution is excellent. > > The announcement was silent on the size and resolution of the P3 > display panel. The LP-PAN/PowerSDR system may offer a substantial > advantage in that area. > > Bob NW8L > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Now i guess what i have to ask is how will this affect up with the LP Pan program and adapter? I've got a brand new unit here not yet implemented so not sure if i should go ahead and get it installed or not. > > > > Larry > > W0OGH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Bob,
Given that the K3 display is 1"x5", this display would be 4x as large. That doesn't seem too small to me. I'm a bit surprized by the size-- particularly the depth. I was hoping for something I could put anywhere. The depth and 6" width strikes me as somewhat excessive for my needs. Desk real estate is always limited. It seems like every piece of equipment has to be at eye level and within easy reach while sitting down. Hard to do..... 73 de Brian/K3KO Bob Cunnings wrote: > One thing to consider - According to the P3 announcement: > > "It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide..." > > Which implies, if I'm interpreting this correctly, a max display size > of less than 4" x 6". Using LP-PAN and latest PowerSDR I can have a > much bigger spectrum display on my 21" monitor. The panafall display > is absolutely gorgeous when maximized, and resolution is excellent. > > The announcement was silent on the size and resolution of the P3 > display panel. The LP-PAN/PowerSDR system may offer a substantial > advantage in that area. > > Bob NW8L > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>Now i guess what i have to ask is how will this affect up with the LP Pan program and adapter? I've got a brand new unit here not yet implemented so not sure if i should go ahead and get it installed or not. >> >>Larry >>W0OGH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Indeed. LP-PAN will continue to be a very cost effective, integrated approach to not only a pan/waterfall display, but also an inexpensive dual receiver with the digital processing and filtering of PowerSDR, point-and-click tuning for VFO A and VFO B, high quality AM with synchronous detector, etc.
LP-PAN will continue to be developed on the software side. PowerSDR-IF will very shortly be at the same version level as the official Flex Radio release, and the time and effort that went into the latest rewrite will make it much easier to keep it in step with the Flex releases. Likewise, LP-Bridge will continue to evolve, and there will be a major release to go with PowerSDR-IF v1.19 once it's stable.
It remains to be seen what the impact of P3 will be on sales of LP-PAN without seeing the feature set, cost and computer integration flexibility of P3.
73,
Larry N8LP
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I'm curious if anyone from Elecraft can provide rough price estimates?
Sub 500? Sub 4 digits? Sub 1.5Kilobucks? Can you at least provide pricing to this resolution? ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 02:50 +0000, Brian Alsop wrote: > Bob, > Given that the K3 display is 1"x5", this display would be 4x as large. > That doesn't seem too small to me. > > I'm a bit surprized by the size-- particularly the depth. I was hoping > for something I could put anywhere. The depth and 6" width strikes me > as somewhat excessive for my needs. Desk real estate is always limited. > > It seems like every piece of equipment has to be at eye level and within > easy reach while sitting down. Hard to do..... > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > Bob Cunnings wrote: > > One thing to consider - According to the P3 announcement: > > > > "It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide..." > > > > Which implies, if I'm interpreting this correctly, a max display size > > of less than 4" x 6". Using LP-PAN and latest PowerSDR I can have a > > much bigger spectrum display on my 21" monitor. The panafall display > > is absolutely gorgeous when maximized, and resolution is excellent. > > > > The announcement was silent on the size and resolution of the P3 > > display panel. The LP-PAN/PowerSDR system may offer a substantial > > advantage in that area. > > > > Bob NW8L > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >>Now i guess what i have to ask is how will this affect up with the LP Pan program and adapter? I've got a brand new unit here not yet implemented so not sure if i should go ahead and get it installed or not. > >> > >>Larry > >>W0OGH > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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not until after this weekend. We're swamped gettign ready. :-)
73, Eric WA6HHQ --- Brett Howard wrote: > I'm curious if anyone from Elecraft can provide rough price estimates? > > Sub 500? > Sub 4 digits? > Sub 1.5Kilobucks? > > Can you at least provide pricing to this resolution? > > ~Brett (KC7OTG) > > > On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 02:50 +0000, Brian Alsop wrote: > >> Bob, >> Given that the K3 display is 1"x5", this display would be 4x as large. >> That doesn't seem too small to me. >> >> I'm a bit surprized by the size-- particularly the depth. I was hoping >> for something I could put anywhere. The depth and 6" width strikes me >> as somewhat excessive for my needs. Desk real estate is always limited. >> >> It seems like every piece of equipment has to be at eye level and within >> easy reach while sitting down. Hard to do..... >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> Bob Cunnings wrote: >> >>> One thing to consider - According to the P3 announcement: >>> >>> "It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide..." >>> >>> Which implies, if I'm interpreting this correctly, a max display size >>> of less than 4" x 6". Using LP-PAN and latest PowerSDR I can have a >>> much bigger spectrum display on my 21" monitor. The panafall display >>> is absolutely gorgeous when maximized, and resolution is excellent. >>> >>> The announcement was silent on the size and resolution of the P3 >>> display panel. The LP-PAN/PowerSDR system may offer a substantial >>> advantage in that area. >>> >>> Bob NW8L >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Now i guess what i have to ask is how will this affect up with the LP Pan program and adapter? I've got a brand new unit here not yet implemented so not sure if i should go ahead and get it installed or not. >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> W0OGH >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 >>> >>> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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We see the P3 and LP-PAN as complimentary products with their own unique
featuress. To be honest, I can run both at the same time on my K3 :-) LP-PAN and a high power PC certainly offers a wide range of processing and display options at the cost of a more complex PC/LP-PAN/sound Card box set up and cost. I do not see it going away as a popular option for the K3. The P3 is a powerful and compact, tightly integrated, panadapter display for the K3 that does not require a PC to be configured for its operation. This makes it ideal for both desktop and portable operation. Its plug and play with no s/w issues surrounding the K3/P3 usage with other external control programs like logging and contest programs. Its fully transparent and fast to hook up. It has the ability to do -both- spectral and waterfall displays, including a split screen mode with both. On screen cursors can be moved to desired signals and then clicked to center the K3 on that frequency. More pics and info after we get back from the Santa Barbara show next week. 73, Eric WA6HHQ --- ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Dear Larry,
Big question: QUADRATURE OUTPUTS?? It seems to me that if Elecraft does provide quadrature outputs from the P3, then, besides being a stand alone panadapter, the P3 might also effectively replace the LP_PAN unit . You could just plug those quadrature outputs into your sound card and then use PowerSDR-IF stage and LP_Bridge on your computer just as if you had an LP_PAN. Why do that? If you just want a panadapter, then there is no reason to. But if you want to use other features of PowerSDR like an alternate set of DSP implementations, maybe better audio, maybe more resolution on the screen, etc., then you can use those quadrature outputs with your computer and Power SDR to get that. You'll effectively have a FlexRadio receiver on your desktop (K3 front end, PowerSDR back end) along with your K3 and its panadapter. One benefit of the P3 is likely to be important only to people who have problems with RF in the shack. The LP_PAN setup can be a rat's nest of cables and adapters. It is very vulnerable to RF, and hard to get clean. The P3, however, is all in one metal box, and is presumably tested by Elecraft to play well with the K3 when connected. This could be an important benefit. Of course, you might lose that benefit if you then connect things to the quadrature outputs. :-) Hope this is some food for thought. 73, Oliver Johns W6ODJ On 11 Aug 2009, at 5:20 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > Now i guess what i have to ask is how will this affect up with the > LP Pan program and adapter? I've got a brand new unit here not yet > implemented so not sure if i should go ahead and get it installed or > not. > > Larry > W0OGH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Nice post, Oliver. All of what you say is exactly why I've been anxiously waiting for the P3, and why I won't even consider buying one if it doesn't have buffered I/Q outputs. Aside from existing software like PowerSDR and CW Skimmer, think of all the other future possibilities for third party SDR-type applications ... automated band monitoring, intelligent band scanning, contest activity statistics, propagation studies (for example, transmit two signals 5 KHz apart, one with vertical polarization and one with horizontal polarization, and let the SDR software on the other end track both simultaneously), etc. There is simply too much potential from having access to quadrature data to go without. I find it almost unimaginable that Elecraft would introduce the P3 without that capability since (at least from my perspective) it would be easy and inexpensive to do it, but sadly that appears to be the situation thus far. 73, Dave AB7E ------Original Mail------ From: "O. Johns" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]> Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:26:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 ? Dear Larry, Big question: QUADRATURE OUTPUTS?? It seems to me that if Elecraft does provide quadrature outputs from the P3, then, besides being a stand alone panadapter, the P3 might also effectively replace the LP_PAN unit . You could just plug those quadrature outputs into your sound card and then use PowerSDR-IF stage and LP_Bridge on your computer just as if you had an LP_PAN. Why do that? If you just want a panadapter, then there is no reason to. But if you want to use other features of PowerSDR like an alternate set of DSP implementations, maybe better audio, maybe more resolution on the screen, etc., then you can use those quadrature outputs with your computer and Power SDR to get that. You'll effectively have a FlexRadio receiver on your desktop (K3 front end, PowerSDR back end) along with your K3 and its panadapter. One benefit of the P3 is likely to be important only to people who have problems with RF in the shack. The LP_PAN setup can be a rat's nest of cables and adapters. It is very vulnerable to RF, and hard to get clean. The P3, however, is all in one metal box, and is presumably tested by Elecraft to play well with the K3 when connected. This could be an important benefit. Of course, you might lose that benefit if you then connect things to the quadrature outputs. :-) Hope this is some food for thought. 73, Oliver Johns W6ODJ On 11 Aug 2009, at 5:20 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > Now i guess what i have to ask is how will this affect up with the > LP Pan program and adapter? I've got a brand new unit here not yet > implemented so not sure if i should go ahead and get it installed or > not. > > Larry > W0OGH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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