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SVGA setup here is 1440 x 900 Can't set the HP 2311x to 1920 x 1080 because the right side of the image goes off the screen. Comments (mostly aesthetic) 1. On the P3 screen Marker A and B cursors are the same width as the vertical tuning line. On the VGA display they are at least 2 or three times the width of the tuning cursor. The tuning lines and the cursors should be the same width on the SVGA screen as they are on the P3 display. 2. The tick marks horizontal line at the bottom of the screen are shorter than the ones on the horizontal line at the top of the screen by a pixel or two. 3. Setting the font size on the SVGA only changes the font size in the label at the top left of the display. Example "MKR A: 3.524.00" 4. I like the fill below spectrum line feature. 5. A few times while moving the A and B markers the screen on the SVGA locked up. Turning the P3 off and on resets the problem. Thanks for all you guys do for us. Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member Amateur Radio Operator N5GE ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi Tom,
We made the marker lines wider on the SVGA to be more visible given the greater resolution and number of pixels. As you know, a 2048 FFT is performed on the SVGA, completely separate from the P3's FFT. In fact the SVGA while very similar to the P3's display by design is not going to be a perfect duplicate. The extra settings within the SVGA menu, such as font size and waterfall color bias are set to be implemented on the next release of SVGA firmware. We found a significant problem in P3 version 1.12 and wanted to get v1.13 out quickly. We're also investigating why a few monitors do not sync correctly at 1920x1080. Would you please message me the steps you performed that locked up the P3SVGA? 73, Paul
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Seems that implementing 1920 x 1080 at 58 Hz, instead of 60 Hz, is at
the root of the issue. Seems that there are a great number of monitors that don't grok the 58 Hz stuff properly at that resolution. Have you hit a limit in the chip set such that you can't implement 1920 x 1080 at 60 Hz? That would be a shame. 73, -- Dave, N8SBE > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA > From: Paul Saffren N6HZ <[hidden email]> > Date: Fri, March 30, 2012 11:56 am > To: [hidden email] > > > Hi Tom, > > We made the marker lines wider on the SVGA to be more visible given the > greater resolution and number of pixels. As you know, a 2048 FFT is > performed on the SVGA, completely separate from the P3's FFT. In fact the > SVGA while very similar to the P3's display by design is not going to be a > perfect duplicate. > > The extra settings within the SVGA menu, such as font size and waterfall > color bias are set to be implemented on the next release of SVGA firmware. > We found a significant problem in P3 version 1.12 and wanted to get v1.13 > out quickly. > > We're also investigating why a few monitors do not sync correctly at > 1920x1080. > > Would you please message me the steps you performed that locked up the > P3SVGA? > > 73, > > Paul > > > > N5GE-2 wrote > > > > SVGA setup here is 1440 x 900 Can't set the HP 2311x to 1920 x 1080 > > because the > > right side of the image goes off the screen. > > > > Comments (mostly aesthetic) > > 1. On the P3 screen Marker A and B cursors are the same width as the > > vertical > > tuning line. On the VGA display they are at least 2 or three times the > > width of > > the tuning cursor. The tuning lines and the cursors should be the same > > width on > > the SVGA screen as they are on the P3 display. > > > > 2. The tick marks horizontal line at the bottom of the screen are shorter > > than > > the ones on the horizontal line at the top of the screen by a pixel or > > two. > > > > 3. Setting the font size on the SVGA only changes the font size in the > > label at > > the top left of the display. Example "MKR A: > > 3.524.00" > > 4. I like the fill below spectrum line feature. > > > > 5. A few times while moving the A and B markers the screen on the SVGA > > locked > > up. Turning the P3 off and on resets the problem. > > > > Thanks for all you guys do for us. > > > > Tom > > > > Amateur Radio Operator N5GE > > ARRL Lifetime Member > > QCWA Lifetime Member > > Amateur Radio Operator N5GE > > ARRL Lifetime Member > > QCWA Lifetime Member > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-tp7420390p7422045.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi Dave,
58 Hz is the vertical sync not the horizontal. The horizontal sync seems to be the issue. 73, Paul On 3/30/2012 11:07 AM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote: > Seems that implementing 1920 x 1080 at 58 Hz, instead of 60 Hz, is at > the root of the issue. > > Seems that there are a great number of monitors that don't grok the 58 > Hz stuff properly at that resolution. > > Have you hit a limit in the chip set such that you can't implement 1920 > x 1080 at 60 Hz? > > That would be a shame. > > 73, > > -- Dave, N8SBE > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA >> From: Paul Saffren N6HZ<[hidden email]> >> Date: Fri, March 30, 2012 11:56 am >> To: [hidden email] >> >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> We made the marker lines wider on the SVGA to be more visible given the >> greater resolution and number of pixels. As you know, a 2048 FFT is >> performed on the SVGA, completely separate from the P3's FFT. In fact the >> SVGA while very similar to the P3's display by design is not going to be a >> perfect duplicate. >> >> The extra settings within the SVGA menu, such as font size and waterfall >> color bias are set to be implemented on the next release of SVGA firmware. >> We found a significant problem in P3 version 1.12 and wanted to get v1.13 >> out quickly. >> >> We're also investigating why a few monitors do not sync correctly at >> 1920x1080. >> >> Would you please message me the steps you performed that locked up the >> P3SVGA? >> >> 73, >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> N5GE-2 wrote >>> SVGA setup here is 1440 x 900 Can't set the HP 2311x to 1920 x 1080 >>> because the >>> right side of the image goes off the screen. >>> >>> Comments (mostly aesthetic) >>> 1. On the P3 screen Marker A and B cursors are the same width as the >>> vertical >>> tuning line. On the VGA display they are at least 2 or three times the >>> width of >>> the tuning cursor. The tuning lines and the cursors should be the same >>> width on >>> the SVGA screen as they are on the P3 display. >>> >>> 2. The tick marks horizontal line at the bottom of the screen are shorter >>> than >>> the ones on the horizontal line at the top of the screen by a pixel or >>> two. >>> >>> 3. Setting the font size on the SVGA only changes the font size in the >>> label at >>> the top left of the display. Example "MKR A: >>> 3.524.00" >>> 4. I like the fill below spectrum line feature. >>> >>> 5. A few times while moving the A and B markers the screen on the SVGA >>> locked >>> up. Turning the P3 off and on resets the problem. >>> >>> Thanks for all you guys do for us. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE >>> ARRL Lifetime Member >>> QCWA Lifetime Member >>> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE >>> ARRL Lifetime Member >>> QCWA Lifetime Member >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-tp7420390p7422045.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Paul Saffren - n6hz Firmware Engineer Elecraft Inc. 831.763.4211 www.elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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The vertical frame rate also affects the horizontal rate.
Think of it this way -- if you have the same number of pixels (1920 x 1080) to paint in the same geometry, then doing it 60 times a second instead of 58 times a second means that each horizontal line must be painted faster, and therefore the individual pixel times are shorter (the pixel clock rate is faster). So, yes, changing the vertical refresh also affects the horizontal timing, and could very well cause a monitor that can't adjust the pixel clock to match to show a wrong-width display. 73, -- Dave, N8SBE > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA > From: Paul Saffren <[hidden email]> > Date: Fri, March 30, 2012 2:21 pm > To: "Dave New, N8SBE" <[hidden email]> > Cc: [hidden email] > > > Hi Dave, > > 58 Hz is the vertical sync not the horizontal. The horizontal sync > seems to be the issue. > > 73, > > Paul > > On 3/30/2012 11:07 AM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote: > > Seems that implementing 1920 x 1080 at 58 Hz, instead of 60 Hz, is at > > the root of the issue. > > > > Seems that there are a great number of monitors that don't grok the 58 > > Hz stuff properly at that resolution. > > > > Have you hit a limit in the chip set such that you can't implement 1920 > > x 1080 at 60 Hz? > > > > That would be a shame. > > > > 73, > > > > -- Dave, N8SBE > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA > >> From: Paul Saffren N6HZ<[hidden email]> > >> Date: Fri, March 30, 2012 11:56 am > >> To: [hidden email] > >> > >> > >> Hi Tom, > >> > >> We made the marker lines wider on the SVGA to be more visible given the > >> greater resolution and number of pixels. As you know, a 2048 FFT is > >> performed on the SVGA, completely separate from the P3's FFT. In fact the > >> SVGA while very similar to the P3's display by design is not going to be a > >> perfect duplicate. > >> > >> The extra settings within the SVGA menu, such as font size and waterfall > >> color bias are set to be implemented on the next release of SVGA firmware. > >> We found a significant problem in P3 version 1.12 and wanted to get v1.13 > >> out quickly. > >> > >> We're also investigating why a few monitors do not sync correctly at > >> 1920x1080. > >> > >> Would you please message me the steps you performed that locked up the > >> P3SVGA? > >> > >> 73, > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> > >> N5GE-2 wrote > >>> SVGA setup here is 1440 x 900 Can't set the HP 2311x to 1920 x 1080 > >>> because the > >>> right side of the image goes off the screen. > >>> > >>> Comments (mostly aesthetic) > >>> 1. On the P3 screen Marker A and B cursors are the same width as the > >>> vertical > >>> tuning line. On the VGA display they are at least 2 or three times the > >>> width of > >>> the tuning cursor. The tuning lines and the cursors should be the same > >>> width on > >>> the SVGA screen as they are on the P3 display. > >>> > >>> 2. The tick marks horizontal line at the bottom of the screen are shorter > >>> than > >>> the ones on the horizontal line at the top of the screen by a pixel or > >>> two. > >>> > >>> 3. Setting the font size on the SVGA only changes the font size in the > >>> label at > >>> the top left of the display. Example "MKR A: > >>> 3.524.00" > >>> 4. I like the fill below spectrum line feature. > >>> > >>> 5. A few times while moving the A and B markers the screen on the SVGA > >>> locked > >>> up. Turning the P3 off and on resets the problem. > >>> > >>> Thanks for all you guys do for us. > >>> > >>> Tom > >>> > >>> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE > >>> ARRL Lifetime Member > >>> QCWA Lifetime Member > >>> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE > >>> ARRL Lifetime Member > >>> QCWA Lifetime Member > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-tp7420390p7422045.html > >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- > Paul Saffren - n6hz > Firmware Engineer > Elecraft Inc. > 831.763.4211 > www.elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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