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I sent this message this before the Dayton Hamfest and with all the traffic
on the New KX2 and the KPod I didn't receive but two replies, so I'm going to try again to see if I can't determine the best path forward. I'm leaning away from the P3 and more towards a SDR or LP Pan approach. Thanks for your ideas and help 73 Bill W4RM I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. I would like to find a standard solution at a reasonable price (Per Station) for all stations. I just want to hear some ideas so I don't go down the wrong road X 4. Thanks for your input in advance. 73 Bill W4RM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I would go the LP-Pan2 or good SDR route simply from a cost perspective.
Price a P3+SVGA+Dedicated monitor x 4 vs. LP-Pan/SDR route. LP-Pan runs on the computer I assume you've already got for logging. If you want you can upgrade the sound system relatively inexpensively to an outboard USB solution like ASUS Xonar U7 or the Steinberg UR22 for more bandwidth, 192KHz. NaP3 is free, Win4K3 Suite is not but it's the Swiss Army knife of K3(s)/KX3 management software. On 7/4/2016 7:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > I sent this message this before the Dayton Hamfest and with all the traffic > on the New KX2 and the KPod I didn't receive but two replies, so I'm going > to try again to see if I can't determine the best path forward. > > > > I'm leaning away from the P3 and more towards a SDR or LP Pan approach. > > > > Thanks for your ideas and help > > > > 73 Bill W4RM > > > > I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add > panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. > > > > I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 > SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. > > > > I would like to find a standard solution at a reasonable price (Per Station) > for all stations. > > > > I just want to hear some ideas so I don't go down the wrong road X 4. > > > > Thanks for your input in advance. > > > > 73 Bill W4RM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Bill,
The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option (and perhaps the TXMON option). Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but requires getting the applications working right on the computer. So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to play together. If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will be similar. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add > panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. > > I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 > SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Don,
LP-PAN advertises noise reduction. Does the P3 do similar? John WA1EAZ Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Bill, > > The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option (and perhaps the TXMON option). > > Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but requires getting the applications working right on the computer. > > So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to play together. > > If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will be similar. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >> I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add >> panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. >> >> I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 >> SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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John,
NaP3 can play through the computer speakers to act as a 2nd receiver (but there will be latency dependent on the computer). That is where the NaP3 NB is useful. I do not understand that a NB function would be valuable on the spectrum display. I want to see the noise sources that may interfere with my reception just the same as I want to see the signals on the band. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/4/2016 11:31 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: > Don, > > LP-PAN advertises noise reduction. Does the P3 do similar? > > John > WA1EAZ > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option (and perhaps the TXMON option). >> >> Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but requires getting the applications working right on the computer. >> >> So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to play together. >> >> If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will be similar. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >>> I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add >>> panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. >>> >>> I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 >>> SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Don,
I was looking at the LP-PAN YouTube video where they demonstrated noise reduction that made weak dx signals audible on the K3S where they were not audible without the LP-PAN. Is this really the case? John WA1EAZ Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: > > John, > > NaP3 can play through the computer speakers to act as a 2nd receiver (but there will be latency dependent on the computer). That is where the NaP3 NB is useful. > > I do not understand that a NB function would be valuable on the spectrum display. I want to see the noise sources that may interfere with my reception just the same as I want to see the signals on the band. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/4/2016 11:31 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: >> Don, >> >> LP-PAN advertises noise reduction. Does the P3 do similar? >> >> John >> WA1EAZ >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option (and perhaps the TXMON option). >>> >>> Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but requires getting the applications working right on the computer. >>> >>> So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to play together. >>> >>> If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will be similar. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >>>> I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add >>>> panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. >>>> >>>> I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 >>>> SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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LP-Pan and NaP3 cannot change the audio output of the K3.
The audio output that can be changed is only the audio from the computer. The K3 has NR and NB capabilities that can do the same thing for the K3 audio output, just choose the most effective parameters of the K3 NR and NB for the task at hand. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/4/2016 11:57 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: > Don, > > I was looking at the LP-PAN YouTube video where they demonstrated noise reduction that made weak dx signals audible on the K3S where they were not audible without the LP-PAN. Is this really the case? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The P3 does have a noise blanker, which works well on impulse-type
noise. It allows you to see more-or-less the same signals that the K3 sees when its own noise blanker is turned on. Alan N1AL On 07/04/2016 08:46 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > NaP3 can play through the computer speakers to act as a 2nd receiver > (but there will be latency dependent on the computer). That is where the > NaP3 NB is useful. > > I do not understand that a NB function would be valuable on the spectrum > display. I want to see the noise sources that may interfere with my > reception just the same as I want to see the signals on the band. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/4/2016 11:31 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: >> Don, >> >> LP-PAN advertises noise reduction. Does the P3 do similar? >> >> John >> WA1EAZ >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option >>> (and perhaps the TXMON option). >>> >>> Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but >>> requires getting the applications working right on the computer. >>> >>> So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. >>> using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and >>> all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to >>> play together. >>> >>> If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough >>> patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will >>> be similar. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >>>> I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way >>>> to add >>>> panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. >>>> >>>> I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 >>>> and NaP3 >>>> SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Bill,
If you DON'T need the point and click feature (and many others) of the P3 and simply want to see band activity on the band you're on, I've had great luck with the NooElec SDR "dongle" and Nooelec 125MHz Upconverter using SDR# software being fed by your K3's IF OUTPUT. I'm able to put a small SDR# window just below each of my N1MM entry windows so I can see band activity on both SO2R rigs. You can set the bandwidth to anything you want but I find +/- 40 KHZ of my operating frequency to be good for me. A downside is that it takes 10 seconds to adjust the screen each time you turn on your computer but with a total investment of about $70 per rig, I'm happy to setup the screen before a contest and live with the limitations. If you run assisted or MM, you can just use the bandmap up/down features of your contest software to move around the band and don't need that feature of the P3. I don't have a P3 but I think that is a feature. ;-) Good luck with your decision. Bob K5WA > I sent this message this before the Dayton Hamfest and with all the traffic > on the New KX2 and the KPod I didn't receive but two replies, so I'm going > to try again to see if I can't determine the best path forward. > > > > I'm leaning away from the P3 and more towards a SDR or LP Pan approach. > > > > Thanks for your ideas and help > > > > 73 Bill W4RM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 7/5/2016 3:52 PM, Wally -K7FEL- wrote: > It works beautifully with the recently updated Win4K3suite. ... and with HDSDR as a stand-alone panadater when driven from the K3 IF. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/5/2016 3:52 PM, Wally -K7FEL- wrote: > Have a look at the SDRplay ($150). No sound card required and 1.8 MHz > bandwidth. It works beautifully with the recently updated Win4K3suite. > ----- Wally K7FEL > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Panadapters-for-a-MM-station-using-4-K3s-tp7619608p7619650.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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