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David Davis
Hello all,

I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable
station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move.

I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the
Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras for
different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels for
external power.

The two items I have been looking at are the following:

1. PX3 Panadapter
2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer

Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the
investment?

Thanks in advance for all the advice.

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Re: Portable equipment...

Jim Bolit
Neither.

Get a good "antenna" launcher so you can get some wire up in the air.  Lower
cost and better value if you want a "portable" station.  A friend has a
pneumatic launcher and he is happy with it.

Jim

W6AIM

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Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment...

Hello all,

I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable
station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move.

I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the Elecraft
MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras for different
configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels for external power.

The two items I have been looking at are the following:

1. PX3 Panadapter
2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer

Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the investment?

Thanks in advance for all the advice.

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Re: Portable equipment...

John Huggins, kx4o
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An antenna analyzer is quite handy, but the PX3 is a big winner for me.  
Once I repaired my KX3 IQ output circuit, the spectral display came to
life and has proven to be a good tool for this and that.  It is a bit
awkward for backpacking style of operating, but several folks do use it
on the trails.

I use it often in a portable-plank thing.  Information is available in a
few of my articles articles...

   http://www.hamradio.me/?s=PX3

John, kx4o

ps
Just get both ;)

On 10/5/2015 3:49 PM, David Davis wrote:

> [. . .]
>
> The two items I have been looking at are the following:
>
> 1. PX3 Panadapter
> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer
>
> Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the
> investment?
>
> Thanks in advance for all the advice.
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Re: Portable equipment...

Mel
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Well, the two items focus on totally different areas of the ham station.
The analyzer will assist you in the various antenna installations to make the system operate properly and efficiently.The panadapter will assist you in the operation of the station, once the station is operating properly
If you focus is on going to a lot of places to operate with out the analyzer the ATU will make the KX3 happy, but not make the antenna as efficient as proper tuning of the antenna will do.If your focus is on data modes, the panadapter will certainly be desirable. 

The Buddipole has all of the items for 40 and up portable operation, but ground conditions and antenna configuration will tend to make a final adjustment of the antenna necessary to be matched properly, hence some method of looking at SWR.
Good luck on your portable operation.
Mel, K6KBE

   

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Hello all,

I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable
station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move.

I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the
Elecraft MH3 microphone and a

 (with extras for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels for
external power.

The two items I have been looking at are the following:

1. PX3 Panadapter
2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer

Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the
investment?

Thanks in advance for all the advice.

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Re: Portable equipment...

Jim Brown-10
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On Mon,10/5/2015 12:49 PM, David Davis wrote:
> The two items I have been looking at are the following:
>
> 1. PX3 Panadapter
> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer

The answer depends on a lot of things -- your technical background, your
operating style and objectives, etc. What do you plan to do with your
"portable" station? Backpacking? Driving somewhere to set up? In the
wilderness or in a neighborhood park? What do you want to work? What
bands, what style? Contesting, summits, lighthouses, casual operation,
vacations, etc.?

Definitely do NOT waste money on an antenna analyzer until you have real
antennas to measure. Besides -- the KX3 has a very good SWR readout
built in, so it's easy to use to figure out where your antenna is
resonant, and tweak it to length if necessary. If the feedline is short,
all you really care about is whether the antenna loads -- push the
button to activate the KXAT3 and see if it loads OK (close to full power).

The PX3 is VERY useful when trying to find activity on a quiet band, but
you must learn to use it first.

I agree with the suggestion of some form of launcher to get wires in
trees. The tennis ball launcher is great if you're driving to the site,
but far too heavy to carry up a trail. For backpacking, something like a
"wrist rocket" would be a far better choice. Several of my local friends
(AE6RF and N6RNO) are quite skilled at launching wires into trees using
nothing more than fishing line with a small heavy weight attached, using
their arm as a catapault. Once the line is in the tree, use it to pull
up the rope that will hold the antenna.

I'm not a fan of Buddipoles -- inefficient, heavy, expensive. I like one
of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which it's easy to tape a
wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures to mount it vertically, buy
more wire to use as radials or a counterpoise, and you've got a far more
effective antenna for less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for
backpacking.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: Portable equipment...

Phil Hystad-3
I was going to add my own comments to the original question but I don’t see how I can do anything better than
Jim’s comments below.

Well, maybe just one thing…

I have a Buddipole and I kind of like it.

It works great in some situations where the other methods are not as easy to accomplish.

I used to do wires up in trees (using a sling shot with fishing line although I use a Bow & Arrow
at home — I also have trees on the property).  And, I had a 30 foot push up fiberglass pole that I used as the center for an inverted 20-meter Dipole which is easy to put up.  I have a mount I made (or, I used to) fastened on the back of my pickup truck for the pole giving it another 3 feet.  I need to fix up a new mount though as I junked the previous one.  Of course, this works only when you use your pickup truck as the base station but I am portable in the field doing that (while my wife is busy photographing birds).  Unfortunately, I broke the fiberglass pole and need to get a new one someday.

However, now that I am more experienced with the Buddipole and I have my own extension mast that I use at times, it is not a bad deal.  I operate almost always 20 meters though.

But, nothing can beat the cost of wires in trees and if you had to buy pushup fiberglass pole, that is still cheaper than a Buddipole.


73, phil, K7PEH


> On Oct 5, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Mon,10/5/2015 12:49 PM, David Davis wrote:
>> The two items I have been looking at are the following:
>>
>> 1. PX3 Panadapter
>> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer
>
> The answer depends on a lot of things -- your technical background, your operating style and objectives, etc. What do you plan to do with your "portable" station? Backpacking? Driving somewhere to set up? In the wilderness or in a neighborhood park? What do you want to work? What bands, what style? Contesting, summits, lighthouses, casual operation, vacations, etc.?
>
> Definitely do NOT waste money on an antenna analyzer until you have real antennas to measure. Besides -- the KX3 has a very good SWR readout built in, so it's easy to use to figure out where your antenna is resonant, and tweak it to length if necessary. If the feedline is short, all you really care about is whether the antenna loads -- push the button to activate the KXAT3 and see if it loads OK (close to full power).
>
> The PX3 is VERY useful when trying to find activity on a quiet band, but you must learn to use it first.
>
> I agree with the suggestion of some form of launcher to get wires in trees. The tennis ball launcher is great if you're driving to the site, but far too heavy to carry up a trail. For backpacking, something like a "wrist rocket" would be a far better choice. Several of my local friends (AE6RF and N6RNO) are quite skilled at launching wires into trees using nothing more than fishing line with a small heavy weight attached, using their arm as a catapault. Once the line is in the tree, use it to pull up the rope that will hold the antenna.
>
> I'm not a fan of Buddipoles -- inefficient, heavy, expensive. I like one of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which it's easy to tape a wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures to mount it vertically, buy more wire to use as radials or a counterpoise, and you've got a far more effective antenna for less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for backpacking.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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Re: Portable equipment...

Rick WA6NHC
Take a look at antennalaunchers.com for a good pneumatic launcher. I
have no pecuniary interest but have know the owner for 40 years now and
love the launcher.

Rick nhc


On 10/5/2015 2:10 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:

> I was going to add my own comments to the original question but I don’t see how I can do anything better than
> Jim’s comments below.
>
> Well, maybe just one thing…
>
> I have a Buddipole and I kind of like it.
>
> It works great in some situations where the other methods are not as easy to accomplish.
>
> I used to do wires up in trees (using a sling shot with fishing line although I use a Bow & Arrow
> at home — I also have trees on the property).  And, I had a 30 foot push up fiberglass pole that I used as the center for an inverted 20-meter Dipole which is easy to put up.  I have a mount I made (or, I used to) fastened on the back of my pickup truck for the pole giving it another 3 feet.  I need to fix up a new mount though as I junked the previous one.  Of course, this works only when you use your pickup truck as the base station but I am portable in the field doing that (while my wife is busy photographing birds).  Unfortunately, I broke the fiberglass pole and need to get a new one someday.
>
> However, now that I am more experienced with the Buddipole and I have my own extension mast that I use at times, it is not a bad deal.  I operate almost always 20 meters though.
>
> But, nothing can beat the cost of wires in trees and if you had to buy pushup fiberglass pole, that is still cheaper than a Buddipole.
>
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon,10/5/2015 12:49 PM, David Davis wrote:
>>> The two items I have been looking at are the following:
>>>
>>> 1. PX3 Panadapter
>>> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer
>> The answer depends on a lot of things -- your technical background, your operating style and objectives, etc. What do you plan to do with your "portable" station? Backpacking? Driving somewhere to set up? In the wilderness or in a neighborhood park? What do you want to work? What bands, what style? Contesting, summits, lighthouses, casual operation, vacations, etc.?
>>
>> Definitely do NOT waste money on an antenna analyzer until you have real antennas to measure. Besides -- the KX3 has a very good SWR readout built in, so it's easy to use to figure out where your antenna is resonant, and tweak it to length if necessary. If the feedline is short, all you really care about is whether the antenna loads -- push the button to activate the KXAT3 and see if it loads OK (close to full power).
>>
>> The PX3 is VERY useful when trying to find activity on a quiet band, but you must learn to use it first.
>>
>> I agree with the suggestion of some form of launcher to get wires in trees. The tennis ball launcher is great if you're driving to the site, but far too heavy to carry up a trail. For backpacking, something like a "wrist rocket" would be a far better choice. Several of my local friends (AE6RF and N6RNO) are quite skilled at launching wires into trees using nothing more than fishing line with a small heavy weight attached, using their arm as a catapault. Once the line is in the tree, use it to pull up the rope that will hold the antenna.
>>
>> I'm not a fan of Buddipoles -- inefficient, heavy, expensive. I like one of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which it's easy to tape a wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures to mount it vertically, buy more wire to use as radials or a counterpoise, and you've got a far more effective antenna for less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for backpacking.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>
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Re: Portable equipment...

Fred Smith-2
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My choice would be the PX3 from using one so long in the shack with a K3. On my KX3 it's pretty bare bones but if only rig or more out of shack use I would use a PX3 with it to locate other usage on the band easily.

Fred/N0AZZ

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> On Oct 5, 2015, at 2:49 PM, David Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move.
>
> I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels for external  power.
>
> The two items I have been looking at are the following:
>
> 1. PX3 Panadapter
> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer
>
> Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the investment?
>
> Thanks in advance for all the advice.
>
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Re: Portable equipment...

Al Gulseth-2
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Since this for the moment has morphed into the "shameless plug dept." the guys
up the road from me at the Joplin MO ARC also offer an antenna launcher:

http://joplin-arc.org/?page_id=84

Disclaimer: no financial interest etc.,  just a great bunch of guys who host a
top-notch hamfest every year. (Anyone who can bounce back after being whacked
by an EF5 tornado gets a "thumbs-up" in my book. I personally saw some of the
destruction a few months after it happened and heard some mind-boggling
personal accounts of the storm's power from witnesses. But that's probably
getting too far off topic....)

73, Al

On Mon October 5 2015 4:21:56 pm Rick WA6NHC wrote:

> Take a look at antennalaunchers.com for a good pneumatic launcher. I
> have no pecuniary interest but have know the owner for 40 years now and
> love the launcher.
>
> Rick nhc
>
> On 10/5/2015 2:10 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> > I was going to add my own comments to the original question but I don’t
> > see how I can do anything better than Jim’s comments below.
> >
> > Well, maybe just one thing…
> >
> > I have a Buddipole and I kind of like it.
> >
> > It works great in some situations where the other methods are not as easy
> > to accomplish.
> >
> > I used to do wires up in trees (using a sling shot with fishing line
> > although I use a Bow & Arrow at home — I also have trees on the
> > property).  And, I had a 30 foot push up fiberglass pole that I used as
> > the center for an inverted 20-meter Dipole which is easy to put up.  I
> > have a mount I made (or, I used to) fastened on the back of my pickup
> > truck for the pole giving it another 3 feet.  I need to fix up a new
> > mount though as I junked the previous one.  Of course, this works only
> > when you use your pickup truck as the base station but I am portable in
> > the field doing that (while my wife is busy photographing birds).
> > Unfortunately, I broke the fiberglass pole and need to get a new one
> > someday.
> >
> > However, now that I am more experienced with the Buddipole and I have my
> > own extension mast that I use at times, it is not a bad deal.  I operate
> > almost always 20 meters though.
> >
> > But, nothing can beat the cost of wires in trees and if you had to buy
> > pushup fiberglass pole, that is still cheaper than a Buddipole.
> >
> >
> > 73, phil, K7PEH
> >
> >> On Oct 5, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon,10/5/2015 12:49 PM, David Davis wrote:
> >>> The two items I have been looking at are the following:
> >>>
> >>> 1. PX3 Panadapter
> >>> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer
> >>
> >> The answer depends on a lot of things -- your technical background, your
> >> operating style and objectives, etc. What do you plan to do with your
> >> "portable" station? Backpacking? Driving somewhere to set up? In the
> >> wilderness or in a neighborhood park? What do you want to work? What
> >> bands, what style? Contesting, summits, lighthouses, casual operation,
> >> vacations, etc.?
> >>
> >> Definitely do NOT waste money on an antenna analyzer until you have real
> >> antennas to measure. Besides -- the KX3 has a very good SWR readout
> >> built in, so it's easy to use to figure out where your antenna is
> >> resonant, and tweak it to length if necessary. If the feedline is short,
> >> all you really care about is whether the antenna loads -- push the
> >> button to activate the KXAT3 and see if it loads OK (close to full
> >> power).
> >>
> >> The PX3 is VERY useful when trying to find activity on a quiet band, but
> >> you must learn to use it first.
> >>
> >> I agree with the suggestion of some form of launcher to get wires in
> >> trees. The tennis ball launcher is great if you're driving to the site,
> >> but far too heavy to carry up a trail. For backpacking, something like a
> >> "wrist rocket" would be a far better choice. Several of my local friends
> >> (AE6RF and N6RNO) are quite skilled at launching wires into trees using
> >> nothing more than fishing line with a small heavy weight attached, using
> >> their arm as a catapault. Once the line is in the tree, use it to pull
> >> up the rope that will hold the antenna.
> >>
> >> I'm not a fan of Buddipoles -- inefficient, heavy, expensive. I like one
> >> of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which it's easy to tape a
> >> wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures to mount it vertically, buy
> >> more wire to use as radials or a counterpoise, and you've got a far more
> >> effective antenna for less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for
> >> backpacking.
> >>
> >> 73, Jim K9YC
> >>
> >>
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Re: Portable equipment...

Jim Pandzik
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While I love my PX3, I could live without it. With a Buddipole, a good
antenna analyzer is essential. It takes out the guesswork.

Jim Pandzik
KE9PK

On 10/5/2015 2:49 PM, David Davis wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable
> station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move.
>
> I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the
> Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras
> for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels
> for external power.
>
> The two items I have been looking at are the following:
>
> 1. PX3 Panadapter
> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer
>
> Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the
> investment?
>
> Thanks in advance for all the advice.
>
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Re: Portable equipment...

Bill Frantz
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I have had good luck with Wireman 534 26 AWG, 19 strand 40%
copper-clad steel (OD 0.020"). I have used it for a 2 element
20M wire beam and had it survive wind and snow storms. It is my
goto antenna wire for portable operations.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/5/15 at 1:52 PM, [hidden email] (Jim Brown) wrote:

>I like one of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which
>it's easy to tape a wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures
>to mount it vertically, buy more wire to use as radials or a
>counterpoise, and you've got a far more effective antenna for
>less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for backpacking.

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Re: Portable equipment...

David Davis
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Thank you to everyone that replied the information that everyone
supplied was extremely helpful.

I decided to go ahead and get the PX3.

Most of the use for my KX3 will be a portable setup that I plan to take
on camping and hunting trips. It won't really be a backpacking type
setup so I don't worry about weight or bulk.

Thanks again,
David


On 10/5/15 1:49 PM, David Davis wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable
> station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move.
>
> I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the
> Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras
> for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels
> for external power.
>
> The two items I have been looking at are the following:
>
> 1. PX3 Panadapter
> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer
>
> Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the
> investment?
>
> Thanks in advance for all the advice.
>

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