Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs

[gm3sek]

Edward R. Cole wrote:

>>In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is
>>the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork.  Here
>>it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc.
>>I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer.  Nothing
>>parochial beyond ignorance. :)     73, Jim K9YC
>--------------
>=And I think THIS is really the problem folks are having - they imagine
>all sorts of issues!  Customs and duties are paid by the receiving
>party (not the shipper).  All you need do is describe the item.  Simple
>as saying "Ham radio parts".  Estimate their value (this is what the
>customs will charge by), your name/address, the destination
>name/address, your done!  Not any harder than filling out a money
>order.  The form is half-page in size and most boxes do not
>need to be filled in as they do not apply.

Let me repeat that: import duties and taxes in the destination country
are categorically

NOT    YOUR   PROBLEM !

All you have to do is write down the total value (in US$) and an
adequate description. "AMATEUR RADIO PARTS" is usually close enough.
That's all - you're done.

NB: Always write out "AMATEUR" in full. Ham will be subject to extra
import restrictions :-)



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[Gary Gregory]

Fed-Ex and UPS insured and tracked door to door...not a problem and I have
done this for years both at work and play....:-)

Gary

On 3 June 2011 08:35, Johnny Siu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Ray,
>
> I have the impression that quite a number of the US sellers are worried
> about shipping overseas (I don't know why).
>
> In the past, when I bought from private individuals in US, I had to even
> give them weblink to USPS about using which way of shipping e.g.
> International Priority standard rate box etc.  Or, I simply ask them to use
> my Fedex account so that they have no involvement in paying any shipping
> costs.
>
> In some cases, since the sellers were so worried that I simply asked them
> to ship to my friends in US. And then I asked my friend to re-ship the gears
> to me.
>
> Nowadays, logistics among countries are just so common.  As long as the
> parcels are well packed and properly tracked, I don't see any problems.
>
> Similar to you, I am not complaining about anyone here but just curious.
>
>
> TNX & 73,
>
>
> Johnny VR2XMC
>
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> 傳送日期︰ 2011年06月3日 (週五) 12:07 AM
> 主題︰ [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs
>
> I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered
> for
> private sale on this forum they invariably say " Continental USA" only.
>
> Why...?
>
> We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers  etc etc so what's the
> problem please?
>
>
>
> I just bought a kit & accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was
> delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to
> Europe.
>
>
>
> Just interested .
>
> 73
>
> Ray G3XLG
>
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-4]

 > All you have to do is write down the total value (in US$) and an
 > adequate description. "AMATEUR RADIO PARTS" is usually close enough.
 > That's all - you're done.

That works in western countries.  However, anything containing "radio"
is automatically contraband in many countries outside Western Europe
and the Americas.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/3/2011 3:01 AM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

> Edward R. Cole wrote:
>>> In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is
>>> the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork.  Here
>>> it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc.
>>> I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer.  Nothing
>>> parochial beyond ignorance. :)     73, Jim K9YC
>> --------------
>> =And I think THIS is really the problem folks are having - they imagine
>> all sorts of issues!  Customs and duties are paid by the receiving
>> party (not the shipper).  All you need do is describe the item.  Simple
>> as saying "Ham radio parts".  Estimate their value (this is what the
>> customs will charge by), your name/address, the destination
>> name/address, your done!  Not any harder than filling out a money
>> order.  The form is half-page in size and most boxes do not
>> need to be filled in as they do not apply.
>
> Let me repeat that: import duties and taxes in the destination country
> are categorically
>
> NOT    YOUR   PROBLEM !
>
> All you have to do is write down the total value (in US$) and an
> adequate description. "AMATEUR RADIO PARTS" is usually close enough.
> That's all - you're done.
>
> NB: Always write out "AMATEUR" in full. Ham will be subject to extra
> import restrictions :-)
>
>
>

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[Tony Estep]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ...anything containing "radio" is automatically contraband in many
> countries...


...as I discovered while in India. I had my KX1, which had gotten in okay
because they didn't check at customs. I didn't transmit, just listened, but
I was nervous the whole time that somehow I'd get nabbed and have my radio
confiscated.

Tony KT0NY
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[Jim Low man]

For most shipments, I prefer that the postal worker, UPS or FedEx driver
leave the item on the front porch anyway.  Tracking the shipment online,
it's easy to see where the driver might have left the package if it
isn't obvious.

Before we both retired, no one was at home during business hours.  This
meant the inevitable and unenviable trip to the post office the next
day, or making arrangements with the local UPS or FedEx office to stop
by and pick up the item.  Often this involved waiting for the truck to
arrive after completing all deliveries during the day.

The only time I ever found this to be a problem was several years ago.  
I had ordered an IBM dot-matrix printer when they sold for about $500.  
The UPS driver had left it on the front porch and it was raining.  When
I called to comment (not really complain) I was told that my
neighborhood was considered to be safe for drop-offs.  Then I was asked
if I wanted to file a complaint against the driver.  Since he was
following established protocol, I declined.  Safe neighborhood
withstanding, that's an awful lot of temptation to put out there.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 6/2/2011 8:13 PM, Phil Kane wrote:

> Contrast that with the local UPS driver who will place a
>    package on the front steps, knock softly, and then run to his
>    truck to see if he can get away before someone opens the door.
>    Sometimes he doesn't knock, and sometimes he will leave the
>    package in a secluded place on the side of the steps and not
>    post the required "where it is" notice.  FedEx will usually
>    ring the bell before they do that.  If it's the regular USPS
>    letter carrier she usually will knock loudly before leaving a
>    package, but the relief carriers usually don't.  That's why I
>    prefer a PO Box for my mail.
>
>    What ever happened to "personal service"?
>
> --  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
>      Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>
>      From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
>      Beaverton (Washington County)  Oregon
>
>

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[gm3sek]

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> All you have to do is write down the total value (in US$) and an
>> adequate description. "AMATEUR RADIO PARTS" is usually close enough.
>> That's all - you're done.
>
>That works in western countries.  However, anything containing "radio"
>is automatically contraband in many countries outside Western Europe
>and the Americas.
>

Could you name any such countries to which a private US citizen would
actually be *likely* to make a shipment?

I regularly ship "AMATEUR RADIO PARTS" - truthfully declared on the
Customs form - to a wide range of countries (including India and even
distant Alaska :-) without any problems.

There are often import taxes to be paid, but that is a different issue.
In 12 years and almost 2000 shipments I have never had a single report
that the import of "AMATEUR RADIO PARTS" was not legal.



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[Paul Saville-6]

Sending radios to ZL is fairly safe, because most of the mail workers
can't read, and the stagecoach that carries the mail has a guy with a
six-shooter to fight off the bandits, so the loss rate is zero.

It's a different story with anything containing "drugs" or "porno"
though, because that is still considered contraband, except in The
Netherlands.

73 Paul ZL3IN ;-)

On 4/06/2011 1:31 a.m., Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> That works in western countries.  However, anything containing "radio"
> is automatically contraband in many countries outside Western Europe
> and the Americas.
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