"QRRR" (OT)
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Paul wrote:
>Around 1969 or 70 I was taught in both code classes offered by a local club >and "getting started" kinds of books (probably ARRL publications) that QRRR >was a standard distress signal. I remember having the impression that SOS >was "old fashion" and that QRRR was preferred. That's one of many examples why ham-info should *always* be considered suspect until it has been checked against facts from outside the ham community. >I've never heard either one in actual use. I wonder if SOS has ever been used on the ham bands and documented. I've never heard of such, in 40 years. I kept a receiver on the maritime MF distress and calling frequency (500 kHz) nightly for many years and never heard a distress call. (I did hear a lot of other interesting stuff there.) There's a very clear and concise explaination of these distress and safety prosigns at http://ship25bsa.org/mayday.html . The text cites the Marconi "Yearbook of Wireless Telegraphy and Telephony" (1918) as saying: "[SOS] was adopted simply on account of its easy radiation and its unmistakable character. There is no special signification in the letter themselves, and it is entirely incorrect to put full stops between them [the letters]." >I think that from a practical point of view I would stick with SOS (or "Mayday" >on voice) because of the almost universal recognition that comes from the >hundreds or thousands of TV and movie scenes that have used these over the >years. However, the SOS on most of these movies is sent as three individual characters, not as the correct single character. One movie from 1979 is even titled "S. O. S. Titanic" although IIRC the Morse transmissions in the opening credits sent the sign properly, even to the point of simulating the sound of a spark transmitter. But even if incorrectly sent as S O S, it makes much more sense than that idiotic QRRR proposition. For a tremendously interesting description of maritime Morse operations on 500 kHz (the most important Morse frequency of all time) from only 30 years ago, see the seven part series written by KH2PZ at http://jproc.ca/radiostor/cw500pt1.html . Part six describes his first SOS as a US Coast Guard coast station radio operator. Its all gone now, except for a few who try to keep memories alive in the only place where Morse (of some nature) is still in service (the ham bands). Mike / KK5F _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On 9/28/2008 10:07 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
> Its all gone now, except for a few who try to keep memories alive in the only place > where Morse (of some nature) is still in service (the ham bands). Not so, Mike. There are several MF/HF Public Coast Stations still on the air in the US, using CW and RTTY/SITOR (commercial AMTOR) to handle public correspondence with ships. Morse is not banned on the maritime channels, just no longer required for distress and safety purposes. See <www.radiomarine.org> for more info. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Mike Morrow-3
I wrote:
> Its all gone now, except for a few who try to keep memories alive in the > only place where Morse (of some nature) is still in service (the ham bands). Phil wrote: > Not so, Mike. There are several MF/HF Public Coast Stations still on > the air in the US, using CW and RTTY/SITOR (commercial AMTOR) to handle > public correspondence with ships. Morse is not banned on the maritime > channels, just no longer required for distress and safety purposes. Phil, my outlook on those operations is different, though I accept your point that they are another venue outside ham radio where Morse operations take place (rarely). I'm very familiar with the wonderful efforts of RD and the others at www.radiomarine.org , including the several times each year that they do a very limited revival of operations from what's left of a couple of famous Pacific Coast stations, often in conjunction with some old Victory or Liberty museum ship whose Morse station has been activated for the special event. But it is all essentially a historical reenactment by historical preservationist groups. Bona fide profit- and safety-driven commercial Morse operations in the USA ended on 12 July 1999. As interesting and laudable as these reenactments are, they do not represent any remnant of the originals that continues to serve real commercial and regulatory (SOLAS) requirements. It is odd but true that the FCC will still license stations and operators for this service, although Second Class Radiotelegraph licenses have had greatly reduced Morse exam requirements for about 25 years, since the FCC allowed crediting the very simple Amateur Extra Morse exam to the commercial ticket. But the FCC also continued to offer the Aircraft Radiotelegraph Operator exam and endorsement for decades after the last aircraft radiotelegraph operator position had been eliminated, so it's anyone's guess how many decades these other obsolete tickets will be issued. I let mine expire 15 years ago. Mike / KK5F _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If u want many many young people to learn and use Morse.... PUT A MORSE KEY ON THE CEL HAND TELEPHONE for creating msm messages. A setting in the phone menu makes the # key a Morse input key. Just do that and watch the teenagers flock to it because it is so much faster than keyboard input and, best, it is a SECRET language! Hey Nokia/Martti, r u listening? Charles Harpole [hidden email] > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:47:53 -0400 > From: [hidden email] > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR" (OT) > CC: [hidden email] > > I wrote: > >> Its all gone now, except for a few who try to keep memories alive in the >> only place where Morse (of some nature) is still in service (the ham bands). > > Phil wrote: > >> Not so, Mike. There are several MF/HF Public Coast Stations still on >> the air in the US, using CW and RTTY/SITOR (commercial AMTOR) to handle >> public correspondence with ships. Morse is not banned on the maritime >> channels, just no longer required for distress and safety purposes. > > Phil, my outlook on those operations is different, though I accept your > point that they are another venue outside ham radio where Morse operations > take place (rarely). > > I'm very familiar with the wonderful efforts of RD and the others at > www.radiomarine.org , including the several times each year that they > do a very limited revival of operations from what's left of a couple of > famous Pacific Coast stations, often in conjunction with some old > Victory or Liberty museum ship whose Morse station has been activated > for the special event. > > But it is all essentially a historical reenactment by historical > preservationist groups. Bona fide profit- and safety-driven commercial > Morse operations in the USA ended on 12 July 1999. As interesting and laudable > as these reenactments are, they do not represent any remnant of the originals > that continues to serve real commercial and regulatory (SOLAS) requirements. > > It is odd but true that the FCC will still license stations and operators for > this service, although Second Class Radiotelegraph licenses have had greatly > reduced Morse exam requirements for about 25 years, since the FCC allowed > crediting the very simple Amateur Extra Morse exam to the commercial ticket. > But the FCC also continued to offer the Aircraft Radiotelegraph Operator exam > and endorsement for decades after the last aircraft radiotelegraph operator > position had been eliminated, so it's anyone's guess how many decades these > other obsolete tickets will be issued. I let mine expire 15 years ago. > > Mike / KK5F > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: ot u want lots youth to do Morse?
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Yes, I love it, have often considered what it would take,... and the answer is almost nothing to implement. The telcos could charge for the the decoder.... and it could be another money maker, (how to sell the idea to the phone co.) The user would have the oppurtunity to use it, learn it, and do away with the decoder, (save money) At best it would allow more bandwidth on the current system for calls, (I know, someone will fuss with that, but that's ok, it works that way) the interference of talking on a cell phone while driving, may not be all that much different, however, you wouldn't have to have both hands on the phone to text, and that is a plus, while driving. The final touch would be marketing, and that is a slam dunk! for everyone, not to mention, that sense the 200 wpm barrier has been broken, cw is rather quick now. (for some) --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > If u want many many young people to learn > > and use Morse.... PUT A MORSE KEY ON THE > > CEL HAND TELEPHONE for creating msm > > messages. A setting in the phone menu makes > > the # key a Morse input key. Just do that and > > watch the teenagers flock to it because it is > > so much faster than keyboard input and, best, > > it is a SECRET language! Hey Nokia/Martti, > > r u listening? > > > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. See Now _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: RE: ot u want lots youth to do Morse?
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In reply to this post by Charly
I've found when demonstrating Morse to youngsters, they just love that word "code" which to them means "secret"
Not just texting, but an internet connection to send to each other, like a vertual radio, with Morse code chat channels. There are some virtual radios around, but I hear they're not very popular, yet, they need marketing like text. Next thing they can encode/decode using online Enigma cyphers. As long as the keys are public, it's not illegal. David G3UNA > > From: Dale Putnam <[hidden email]> > Date: 2008/09/29 Mon PM 01:04:26 BST > CC: <[hidden email]> > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] ot u want lots youth to do Morse? > > > Yes, I love it, have often considered what it would take,... and the answer is almost nothing to implement. The telcos could charge for the the decoder.... and it could be another money maker, (how to sell the idea to the phone co.) The user would have the oppurtunity to use it, learn it, and do away with the decoder, (save money) At best it would allow more bandwidth on the current system for calls, (I know, someone will fuss with that, but that's ok, it works that way) the interference of talking on a cell phone while driving, may not be all that much different, however, you wouldn't have to have both hands on the phone to text, and that is a plus, while driving. The final touch would be marketing, and that is a slam dunk! for everyone, not to mention, that sense the 200 wpm barrier has been broken, cw is rather quick now. (for some)--... ...--Dale - WC7S in Wy> If u want many many young people to learn> > and use Morse.... PUT A MORSE KEY ON THE> > CEL HAND TELEPHONE for creating msm> > messages. A setting in the phone menu makes> > the # key a Morse input key. Just do that and> > watch the teenagers flock to it because it is> > so much faster than keyboard input and, best,> > it is a SECRET language! Hey Nokia/Martti,> > r u listening?> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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