"QRRR"
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Would someone explain what "QRRR" is????73 de Ed N7EDK
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From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call"
Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who can read CW will understand that. 73 Dave, G4AON (ex marine radio officer) />Would someone explain what "QRRR" is????73 de Ed N7EDK/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Dave G4AON wrote:
> From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call" > > Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If > someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who > can read CW will understand that. > What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan pan" on land SSB? Jon LA4RT _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three
times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt anyone would recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse the call with adult films or very strong beer! 73 Dave, G4AON ----------------------- What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan pan" on land SSB? Jon LA4RT _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Ok I'll bite...what's "Pan Pan".. I've been 99% CW for almost 45 years, pls
excuse my ignorance. Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G4AON" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR" > Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three times) > is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt anyone would > recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse the call with > adult films or very strong beer! > > 73 Dave, G4AON > ----------------------- > What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan > pan" on land SSB? > > Jon LA4RT > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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To quote from Wikipedia:
""pan-pan" means there is an emergency on board a boat, ship, aircraft, or other vehicle but that, for the time beinf at least, there is no immediate danger to anyone's life or the vessel itself. This is referred to as a state of urgency. This is distinct from a Mayday call, which means there is immenent danger to life or to the continued viability of the vessel itself" > Ok I'll bite...what's "Pan Pan".. I've been 99% CW for almost 45 years, > pls excuse my ignorance. > > Tom > WB2QDG > K2 1103 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave G4AON" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR" > > >> Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three times) >> is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt anyone would >> recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse the call with >> adult films or very strong beer! >> >> 73 Dave, G4AON >> ----------------------- >> What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan >> pan" on land SSB? >> >> Jon LA4RT >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Tom McCulloch
MORSE - SSB = about....
SOS - Mayday = Distress Traffic TTT - Securité = Safety Traffic XXX - Pan Pan Pan = Urgent traffic 73 Arie PA3A Ex PCOH, PJUB, PCOB, the rest I forgot. (all ship callsigns) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 9/27/2008 10:07 AM, Dave G4AON wrote:
>Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three >times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt >anyone would recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse >the call with adult films or very strong beer! Never heard of such nonsense _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Here's a link that may be interesting to cw ops:
http://www.radiomarine.org/500-4.html from the NMO series at: http://www.radiomarine.org/tales.html various prosigns, silent period, SOS procedures are described in detail. Bob NW8L On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Dave G4AON <[hidden email]> wrote: > Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three times) is > XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt anyone would > recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse the call with adult > films or very strong beer! > > 73 Dave, G4AON > ----------------------- > What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan > pan" on land SSB? > > Jon LA4RT > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Dave G4AON wrote:
> Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three > times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt I believe it is PAN-PAN that should be repeated three times, i.e. PAN-PAN PAN-PAN PAN-PAN. Only one MAYDAY or PAN-PAN is used in each subsequent transmission. Incidentally, in aviation use, I believe that PRACTICE-PAN is used for simulated emergencies, and probably ought to be used in other exercises. > anyone would recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse > the call with adult films or very strong beer! The voice ones, however, are stilled used for aviation purposes. -- David Woolley "The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio" List Guidelines <http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I think the Titanic use C Q D which was not at the time universally
recognised. I think it was taught only to Marconi operators at the time. Some use DDD which is quite musical and I would prefer to SOS, were I around to give my opinion. Someone will tell us when SOS was universally accepted, which I think was soon after Titanic. David G3UNA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR" Yes, that is indeed what it means. And, since it was established by the ARRL, it's no surprise Hams in other countries don't know it. Since so little CW is used for distress communications these days, it's no wonder few current American Hams know it. That's what prompted my question. Originally it was QRR, established by the ARRL in the 1930's to avoid any confusion with a maritime distress call. (The third R was added sometime in the post WWII years, probably to make it stand out.) Remember, ships used the "short waves" too, and there was great concern that some vessel at sea not go on alert by accident should one tune across a Ham signal asking for emergency assistance ashore. It may surprise many Hams today to know that emergency communications was the raison d'être for Amateur Radio for many decades (before contesting took over ;-) Traffic handling - mostly on CW of course - was a huge undertaking involving a great many Hams, at least all over the USA, who kept daily nets and schedules simply to move traffic. Message handling was training for emergency service. Awards were given for those handling the most traffic most efficiently, much like recognition is given to contest winners today. Indeed, our current "DX windows" at the lower 25 kHz of the bands were originally set aside for emergency communications. When the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) declared an emergency, they were off limits to all US Amateurs except stations engaged in actual emergency traffic handling. The entire 160 meter band was completely shut down to all but emergency communications when an emergency was declared by the FCC. Now we 'shut down' whole bands for a contest by sheer QRM if not by rule ;-) How times change, but emergencies still happen and there are many Hams for whom emergency communications is their first interest. They drop everything to support their fellow Hams following earthquakes, storms, and other disasters. Like the maritime services today, they generally use voice rather than Morse, but otherwise not much has changed. Ships use satellite phones or VHF radios when they are in range and working, just like Hams often turn to VHF radios and repeaters when they are in range and working. But the mainstay, the always dependable workhorse of emergency communications for both ships at sea and Hams ashore, remains point-to-point communications on the HF "short waves" by any mode that works. That need for flexible emergency communications on HF is the primary reason we Hams have permission to share the commercial SSB frequencies around 60 meters today. Ron AC7AC (maritime radiotelegraph operator and GMDSS system maintainer and operator). -----Original Message----- From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call" Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who can read CW will understand that. 73 Dave, G4AON (ex marine radio officer) />Would someone explain what "QRRR" is????73 de Ed N7EDK/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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David,
You are correct, PAN PAN three times is the right phrase. 73 Arie PA3A -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens David Woolley (E.L) Verzonden: zondag 28 september 2008 10:32 Aan: [hidden email] Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR" Dave G4AON wrote: > Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three > times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt I believe it is PAN-PAN that should be repeated three times, i.e. PAN-PAN PAN-PAN PAN-PAN. Only one MAYDAY or PAN-PAN is used in each subsequent transmission. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If I had real trouble, on phone, I would say "HELP, EMERGENCY, HELP ME" which would be understood by all English speakers anywhere. Charles Harpole [hidden email] > From: [hidden email] > To: [hidden email] > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR" > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:43:46 +0200 > > David, > > You are correct, PAN PAN three times is the right phrase. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens David Woolley (E.L) > Verzonden: zondag 28 september 2008 10:32 > Aan: [hidden email] > Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR" > > > Dave G4AON wrote: >> Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three >> times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt > > I believe it is PAN-PAN that should be repeated three times, i.e. > PAN-PAN PAN-PAN PAN-PAN. Only one MAYDAY or PAN-PAN is used in each > subsequent transmission. > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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What ever happened to "PAN" and "MAYDAY?"
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G4AON" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR" > From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call" > > Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If > someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who > can read CW will understand that. > > 73 Dave, G4AON > (ex marine radio officer) > > />Would someone explain what "QRRR" is????73 de Ed N7EDK/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> Never heard of such nonsense
Around 1969 or 70 I was taught in both code classes offered by a local club and "getting started" kinds of books (probably ARRL publications) that QRRR was a standard distress signal. I remember having the impression that SOS was "old fashion" and that QRRR was preferred, but that might have been just my personal misunderstanding. Fortunately I've never heard either one in actual use. I think that from a practical point of view I would stick with SOS ( or "Mayday" on voice) because of the almost universal recognition that comes from the hundreds or thousands of TV and movie scenes that have used these over the years. 73, Paul - N8XMS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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