RE:K7C
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I have wasted many hours trying to work them. The pileups are horrendous.
The lids are out in tremendous force. I have been trying at 100W because of the horrible operating discipline being shown, including profanity et al. I would suggest you wait until next week when a lot of the rock-crushers will have exhausted themselves. It will really make you appreciate the discipline exhibited within the QRP ranks where "Skill, Not Power" is the byword. Jim, W4ATK K2/100, KAT100, F12 C3ss, 80M inv vee. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I agree 1000%. It is not worth the effort right now to put up with all of
the LIDS!! that are trying to work them. Jess AE0CW -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of James T. "Jim" Rogers, W4ATK Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:12 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] RE:K7C I have wasted many hours trying to work them. The pileups are horrendous. The lids are out in tremendous force. I have been trying at 100W because of the horrible operating discipline being shown, including profanity et al. I would suggest you wait until next week when a lot of the rock-crushers will have exhausted themselves. It will really make you appreciate the discipline exhibited within the QRP ranks where "Skill, Not Power" is the byword. Jim, W4ATK K2/100, KAT100, F12 C3ss, 80M inv vee. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Jess:
So far I have not even heard an actual K7C signal here in Maine. However, I have occasionally heard the pileups. I agree with you that if you have to put up with too many lids, then the contact is not worth the trouble doing. There have been occasions in the past where I have simply decided to let a contact with a rare DX station go because tolerating the lids was not worth it. I'd certainly like to know who the "UP" police think they are. If one could be caught in the act, perhaps a public flogging would serve to discourage all the others. 73, Steve Kercel AA4AK At 11:23 AM 10/2/2005 -0600, Jess Gypin wrote: >I agree 1000%. It is not worth the effort right now to put up with all of >the LIDS!! that are trying to work them. > >Jess AE0CW _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by James T. "Jim" Rogers, W4ATK
In a message dated 10/2/2005 8:12:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: I have wasted many hours trying to work them. The pileups are horrendous. The lids are out in tremendous force. I agree with you. I get mad as hell at ops who will continue to send their callsign, even when the DX station has acknowledged a different station. And they will do it right on top of the station acknowledged! Or, when the DX station acknowledges part of a call, like "W5?", but some klutz W9 keeps sending his call! But most of these pile-ups are pure chaos. I don't have much hope that they will every be run in an orderly and courteous manner. There are just too many folks out there who are at least completely oblivious to the process, if not so arrogant they ignore common courtesy. I must say though, that I haven't been all that impressed with at least one or two of the K7C ops. A couple of times on 40 meters I heard K7C working stations, and obviously listening "up", but not saying so! This really created a mess! Some stations kept calling on his sending frequency, then others would chime in with "up", but a minute later it was chaos again on the sending frequency. On top of that, there were stations calling K7C as much as 10 khz up, and he was acknowledging them! That chews up a bunch of bandwidth. It took me forever to figure out where he was listening. Maybe the op at K7C was doing this on purpose to spread callers out, but I don't agree with the process. He should say "up" at least, and give the amount, like "up 1", or "up 4". Callers will naturally spread out around this figure, usually between the sending frequency and the listening figure given, but not all over the band! Personally, I think "up 4" is plenty of bandwidth for any DX operation. If you can't pick stations out in that range, you have a receiving problem--or an operator problem! And I think the DX stations should give his call at least every 3rd or 4th qso. Some don't give it for really long periods of time, and that creates all kinds of confusion on the sending frequency with inquiries about who the heck it is, etc. So, yes there are a bunch of "lids" out there. But you can't call some guy a lid if he doesn't have a reasonable amount of information to ignore! It's too bad these operations don't follow a more organized and standardized procedure. Probably never happen, but it sure would eliminate as least some of the confusion that seems to occur every time. One last thought. If somebody keeps calling on the "sending" frequency when the DX station is actually listening "up", it's o.k. to tell him "up", and if you know how many, tell him that too. But don't call him a "lid", even if he is acting like one--most of these occurrances are accidental (maybe he forgot to hit the "split" button--I've done that more than once), but the real "lid" will only be encouraged to continue in retribution. After all, "lids" don't get that way by being responsive to strong direction! Dave W7AQK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by James T. "Jim" Rogers, W4ATK
Well, I may have been one of those "poor" operators answering on the calling frequency, but only because I had no idea K7C was working split. Once I learned split operation was in use, I found, with a lot of work, where K7C was listening. My QRP signal went unanswered, too. I even tried with 100 watts and could not make a contact.
The cacophony was deafening and went on well after K7C acknowledged the answering station. I will keep trying. Maybe as time goes on, the madness will subside and we can make a contact. Right now, it is like a feeding frenzy. Mark Saunders, KJ7BS Glendale, AZ <><><><><><><><><><> FISTS # 2972 Elecraft K2 S/N 539 <><><><><><><><><><> If it aint fun, you aint doing it right. AZ AcQRPions ============================================================ From: [hidden email] Date: 2005/10/03 Mon AM 11:33:15 EDT To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE:K7C In a message dated 10/2/2005 8:12:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: I have wasted many hours trying to work them. The pileups are horrendous. The lids are out in tremendous force. I agree with you. I get mad as hell at ops who will continue to send their callsign, even when the DX station has acknowledged a different station. And they will do it right on top of the station acknowledged! Or, when the DX station acknowledges part of a call, like "W5?", but some klutz W9 keeps sending his call! But most of these pile-ups are pure chaos. I don't have much hope that they will every be run in an orderly and courteous manner. There are just too many folks out there who are at least completely oblivious to the process, if not so arrogant they ignore common courtesy. I must say though, that I haven't been all that impressed with at least one or two of the K7C ops. A couple of times on 40 meters I heard K7C working stations, and obviously listening "up", but not saying so! This really created a mess! Some stations kept calling on his sending frequency, then others would chime in with "up", but a minute later it was chaos again on the sending frequency. On top of that, there were stations calling K7C as much as 10 khz up, and he was acknowledging them! That chews up a bunch of bandwidth. It took me forever to figure out where he was listening. Maybe the op at K7C was doing this on purpose to spread callers out, but I don't agree with the process. He should say "up" at least, and give the amount, like "up 1", or "up 4". Callers will naturally spread out around this figure, usually between the sending frequency and the listening figure given, but not all over the band! Personally, I think "up 4" is plenty of bandwidth for any DX operation. If you can't pick stations out in that range, you have a receiving problem--or an operator problem! And I think the DX stations should give his call at least every 3rd or 4th qso. Some don't give it for really long periods of time, and that creates all kinds of confusion on the sending frequency with inquiries about who the heck it is, etc. So, yes there are a bunch of "lids" out there. But you can't call some guy a lid if he doesn't have a reasonable amount of information to ignore! It's too bad these operations don't follow a more organized and standardized procedure. Probably never happen, but it sure would eliminate as least some of the confusion that seems to occur every time. One last thought. If somebody keeps calling on the "sending" frequency when the DX station is actually listening "up", it's o.k. to tell him "up", and if you know how many, tell him that too. But don't call him a "lid", even if he is acting like one--most of these occurrances are accidental (maybe he forgot to hit the "split" button--I've done that more than once), but the real "lid" will only be encouraged to continue in retribution. After all, "lids" don't get that way by being responsive to strong direction! Dave W7AQK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ============================================================ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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As a general rule, when listening to a DX station I do a quick up and down
search to see where he/she is listening. Even when the DX station doesn't announce split they may be working stations on the edge of the pileup. This can increase their rate. This is also the time if you don't have a strong signal that you may squeak through the pileup. >From being on the other side of the pileup sometimes it can be quite a job pulling out a call. Sometimes every one is 20 over 9 but that works out well by lowering the RF gain and picking out the real strong ones first. You can generate a high run rate this way. The problem is when you get to the level of signals that don't move the s-meter and they are all at a whisper quite level. These can be quite tough to pull out, whether running split or not. And the other thing is band and local conditions on the DX side. Sometimes when I am at WP2Z there is a lot of line noise especially on 30 and 160M. I can only hear the strong signals on top of the noise. It gets frustrating when you know many are calling but you can hardly pick out anyone. Then the run rates stink. So be sensitive to the conditions of the DX station too. I understand K7C shuts down this Wednesday? Still trying to get them on 160M. I need too add an indicator to my K2 when running split. A couple of times I thought I was split when I wasn't. Had egg on my face when I called on top of the DX station. That's embarrassing. Good luck working K7C 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Mark Saunders Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:18 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Re: [Elecraft] RE:K7C Well, I may have been one of those "poor" operators answering on the calling frequency, but only because I had no idea K7C was working split. Once I learned split operation was in use, I found, with a lot of work, where K7C was listening. My QRP signal went unanswered, too. I even tried with 100 watts and could not make a contact. The cacophony was deafening and went on well after K7C acknowledged the answering station. I will keep trying. Maybe as time goes on, the madness will subside and we can make a contact. Right now, it is like a feeding frenzy. Mark Saunders, KJ7BS Glendale, AZ <><><><><><><><><><> FISTS # 2972 Elecraft K2 S/N 539 <><><><><><><><><><> If it aint fun, you aint doing it right. AZ AcQRPions _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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