RE:K7C
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It seems when you think things have reached some kind of summit and will
not get worse, I listened to some of the exchanges up on 20 RTTY. I will not give the not so gentlemanly gent's name but his call sign would most assuredly identify him and his language was gutter speak. Terrible representation for our hobby. Some of these lids are so rabid, I believe they would be capable of murder all in the interest of working a dx station. Turning the radio off now. My wife often comes in to watch and listen. I would not want her to hear or see. Jim W4ATK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Thank God for the ever humble CW ops I enjoy bumping into both here on the
Elecraft reflector and on the CW/QRP portions of the band. I can't think of a single inconsiderate CW op I've worked in the last 3 years since I've been active with my K2. My wife also often peeks at my notebook (or laptop) as I record what I'm receiving on CW. In my 20 years as a ham radio operator, I've often had to tune away from a SSB 'conversation' gone bad, but I've never once had to choose whether or not to write something down in the midst of a CW contact because it might offend me, my wife, or our kids. Daniel AA0NI --- "James T. \"Jim\" Rogers, W4ATK" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Turning the radio off now. My wife often comes in to watch and listen. I > would not want her to hear or see. > > Jim W4ATK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by James T. "Jim" Rogers, W4ATK
And the country wonders why there is so much road rage?
Society itself has decomposed so badly that his sort of thing happens more and more. And everywhere in everyday life. Even within your own family! Why do you thing that abortion is no big deal to most folks? And remember, " I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" And some think that that these statements shown above are purely political, Think again!!!!!!! The destruction of VALUES it to blame. And not standing up for what is RIGHT And condemning what is WRONG! It will be the downfall of this country! Mark my words! 73 Jim W7RY -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James T. "Jim" Rogers, W4ATK Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] RE:K7C It seems when you think things have reached some kind of summit and will not get worse, I listened to some of the exchanges up on 20 RTTY. I will not give the not so gentlemanly gent's name but his call sign would most assuredly identify him and his language was gutter speak. Terrible representation for our hobby. Some of these lids are so rabid, I believe they would be capable of murder all in the interest of working a dx station. Turning the radio off now. My wife often comes in to watch and listen. I would not want her to hear or see. Jim W4ATK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: RE:K7C - Let's keep this radio oriented
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Let's calm down this thread a bit and keep it focused away from operating habits
and lids. Reports of hearing and working them, how best to work them etc are OK. ALSO: Please edit out the majority of copied text on your replies to postings. I'm seeing a lot of postings with a ton of unnecessary text that takes up a lot of room - especially for digest mode readers of the list. 73,Eric WA6HHQ List Moderator --------- W7RY wrote: > And the country wonders why there is so much road rage? > > Society itself has decomposed so badly that his sort of thing happens > more and more. And everywhere in everyday life. Even within your own > family! > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by W7RY
Can we please keep this more confined to radio?
Jess AE0CW -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of W7RY Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 2:24 PM To: 'James T. "Jim" Rogers, W4ATK'; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] RE:K7C And the country wonders why there is so much road rage? Society itself has decomposed so badly that his sort of thing happens more and more. And everywhere in everyday life. Even within your own family! Why do you thing that abortion is no big deal to most folks? And remember, " I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" And some think that that these statements shown above are purely political, Think again!!!!!!! The destruction of VALUES it to blame. And not standing up for what is RIGHT And condemning what is WRONG! It will be the downfall of this country! Mark my words! 73 Jim W7RY -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James T. "Jim" Rogers, W4ATK Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] RE:K7C It seems when you think things have reached some kind of summit and will not get worse, I listened to some of the exchanges up on 20 RTTY. I will not give the not so gentlemanly gent's name but his call sign would most assuredly identify him and his language was gutter speak. Terrible representation for our hobby. Some of these lids are so rabid, I believe they would be capable of murder all in the interest of working a dx station. Turning the radio off now. My wife often comes in to watch and listen. I would not want her to hear or see. Jim W4ATK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Jess Gypin wrote:
> Can we please keep this more confined to radio? > > Jess AE0CW > Absolutely! Let us not for a moment pull our heads out of the sand and see what's wrong. Ignore it and it will go away! "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Nietzsche -- _ _ _ _ _ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W ) ( 2 ) ( A ) ( G ) ( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ "CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON - AND PROUD OF IT!" _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: RE:K7C - Let's keep this radio oriented
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> ALSO: Please edit out the majority of copied text on your replies > to postings. > I'm seeing a lot of postings with a ton of unnecessary text that takes > up a lot of room - especially for digest mode readers of the list. A very good point! Not only removing the unneccessary parts of a message you reply to is important, it is also very important NOT to reply _atop_ the original message but _below_ it. It's much easier to read the message when proper quiting was used, even if one didn't follow the thread closely. This following snippet from the Wikipedia article on this topic pretty well illustrates the problem: ,----[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting ]--- | Because it messes up the flow of reading. | > How come? | > > I prefer to reply inline. | > > > What do you do instead? | > > > > No. | > > > > > Do you like top-posting? `--------------------------------------------------- The same with proper quoting: ,--------------------------------------------------- | > > > > > Do you like top-posting? | > > > > No. | > > > What do you do instead? | > > I prefer to reply inline. | > How come? | Because it messes up the flow of reading. `--------------------------------------------------- looks pretty fine and is easy to read! When there are more than two people involved in the discussion (which is always the case on a mailing list or an usenet newsgroup), it is also recommended to use a proper attribution line above the quoted text to see who wrote what, like ,--------------------------------------------------- | John Doe wrote: | > How do I quote properly? | Like this! `--------------------------------------------------- There are numerous articles about proper quoting on the web, like the Wikipedia article mentioned above, http://pub.tsn.dk/how-to-quote.php and many more. Sorry if I sound like a smart ass, but taking the little extra time to properly edit a message before sending it makes the mailing list significantly easier and more comfortable to read! 73, -- Fabian Kurz, DJ1YFK/AD5UR * Dresden, Germany * http://fkurz.net/ K2 #5054 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Fabian Kurz wrote:
> A very good point! Not only removing the unneccessary parts of a > message you reply to is important, it is also very important NOT > to reply _atop_ the original message but _below_ it. > It's much easier to read the message when proper quiting was used, > even if one didn't follow the thread closely. snip/ > There are numerous articles about proper quoting on the web, like the > Wikipedia article mentioned above, http://pub.tsn.dk/how-to-quote.php > and many more. > > Sorry if I sound like a smart ass, but taking the little extra time to > properly edit a message before sending it makes the mailing list > significantly easier and more comfortable to read! great message that should be repeated once a month! Ron wb1hga _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I agaree with all of this, except having the new text below the previous remarks. It's much easier, IMHO, to use reverse chronical order. You see the most recent and relevant post first, then if you want to see the background and earlier comments you read backwards through the posts. With the "post-below" option, one has to scroll all the way through stuff you may have read before, just to see the new comment. And, if you haven't read it before, it's still easier to read the current message and then decide whether you are interested enough to see what came before it. I suppose, to some extent, this is a matter of style, but I believe what I've said probably is true of a majority of posters. 73, Carl N8VZ Fabian Kurz wrote: >Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > >>ALSO: Please edit out the majority of copied text on your replies >>to postings. >>I'm seeing a lot of postings with a ton of unnecessary text that takes >>up a lot of room - especially for digest mode readers of the list. >> >> > >A very good point! Not only removing the unneccessary parts of a >message you reply to is important, it is also very important NOT >to reply _atop_ the original message but _below_ it. >It's much easier to read the message when proper quiting was used, >even if one didn't follow the thread closely. > >This following snippet from the Wikipedia article on this topic pretty >well illustrates the problem: > >,----[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting ]--- >| Because it messes up the flow of reading. >| > How come? >| > > I prefer to reply inline. >| > > > What do you do instead? >| > > > > No. >| > > > > > Do you like top-posting? >`--------------------------------------------------- > >The same with proper quoting: > >,--------------------------------------------------- >| > > > > > Do you like top-posting? >| > > > > No. >| > > > What do you do instead? >| > > I prefer to reply inline. >| > How come? >| Because it messes up the flow of reading. >`--------------------------------------------------- > >looks pretty fine and is easy to read! > >When there are more than two people involved in the discussion (which >is always the case on a mailing list or an usenet newsgroup), it is >also recommended to use a proper attribution line above the quoted >text to see who wrote what, like > >,--------------------------------------------------- >| John Doe wrote: >| > How do I quote properly? >| Like this! >`--------------------------------------------------- > >There are numerous articles about proper quoting on the web, like the >Wikipedia article mentioned above, http://pub.tsn.dk/how-to-quote.php >and many more. > >Sorry if I sound like a smart ass, but taking the little extra time to >properly edit a message before sending it makes the mailing list >significantly easier and more comfortable to read! > >73, > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: RE:K7C - Let's keep this radio oriented
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Sorry OM,
There are many messages here on the reflector each day, and in total I likely review over 100 messages a day from various sources. While I try to look at each message and prepare an intelligent response, I am unable to take the time to scroll down, find the proper tic-marks indicating the previous message, and trying to sort out in-line comments and other such points of 'proper netiquite' is particularly irritating to me. If you desire a comment from me, please top post - if you do otherwise, I will likely miss it because I am unable to spend the excessive time to sort out just WHERE your responses really are in the mess of words that follow. I have my flame suit on if anyone cares to differ. 73, Don W3FPR > -----Original Message----- ... > message you reply to is important, it is also very important NOT > to reply _atop_ the original message but _below_ it. > It's much easier to read the message when proper quiting was used, > even if one didn't follow the thread closely. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I'll add this to the Elecraft list guidelines: Top posting is -OK- on this list.
Like many of you, I also find that reading list postings is -much- faster if the reply is posted above the copied text. It is much faster to scan messages this way, avoiding scrolling down each one for the new text. (Of course if the amount of copied text is reduced to 1-2 sentences it really doesn't matter where the reply is, since it will be visible on the first screen :-) Top posting also makes it much easier to read the list in digest mode, where all of the daily messages are sent as a single email. One variance that is also good practice: When answering a lot of questions in a prior email, intersperse your replies after each question. Let's not beat this one to death... I rears it's head at least once yearly with many, many, opinions on both sides of the issue posted ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator W3FPR - Don Wilhelm wrote: > There are many messages here on the reflector each day, and in total I > likely review over 100 messages a day from various sources. While I try to > look at each message and prepare an intelligent response, I am unable to > take the time to scroll down, find the proper tic-marks indicating the > previous message, and trying to sort out in-line comments and other such > points of 'proper netiquite' is particularly irritating to me. > >>-----Original Message----- > >>message you reply to is important, it is also very important NOT >>to reply _atop_ the original message but _below_ it. >>It's much easier to read the message when proper quiting was used, >>even if one didn't follow the thread closely. Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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