RE: "We are not talking about a small amount of moneyhere"

[Bill W4ZV]

G3UNA:
 >I got a personal message the same day.  No, not automated,
personal, referring to my order.

         Same here.  Then another email because the original
order form omitted the credit card expiration date.  Then
a few weeks later I saw my credit card charged.

         To quote one of G4AON's countrymen, "Methinks thou doth
protest too much."...and you might also want to make sure
your ISP or SPAM filter is not blocking elecraft.com.

                                 73,  Bill  W4ZV

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[Julian, G4ILO]

On 7/8/07, Bill Tippett <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> G3UNA:
>  >I got a personal message the same day.  No, not automated,
> personal, referring to my order.
>
>          Same here.  Then another email because the original
> order form omitted the credit card expiration date.  Then
> a few weeks later I saw my credit card charged.
>
>          To quote one of G4AON's countrymen, "Methinks thou doth
> protest too much."...and you might also want to make sure
> your ISP or SPAM filter is not blocking elecraft.com.
>

This mailing list's spam filter has blocked 3 attempts by me to reply
to this thread. I think spam filters are more likely to be blame for
the lack of communication being complained of than any failings at
Elecraft.
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[Craig Rairdin]

>>          To quote one of G4AON's countrymen, "Methinks thou doth
>> protest too much."...and you might also want to make sure
>> your ISP or SPAM filter is not blocking elecraft.com.

>This mailing list's spam filter has blocked 3 attempts by me to reply
>to this thread. I think spam filters are more likely to be blame for
>the lack of communication being complained of than any failings at
>Elecraft.

LOL. This is the kind of blind, pie-in-the-sky loyalty and defensiveness I'm
talking about. :-) I love Elecraft as much as anyone but they're not
infallible and blameless. Like I said before, my last order was really
messed up, and my last email to Lisa regarding my K3 order has gone
completely unanswered. That's fine; I know they're busy. But I don't blame
the Internet, George Bush, or global warming for Elecraft's occassional
problems. Instead I'm able to believe they might have messed up, because
they're people. :-)

Or it could be Hillary Clinton's fault. :-) Yeah, that's probably it.

Eric's recent post straightens out all the K3 questions. Your credit card
statement is your deposit receipt. You'll be contacted about a week ahead of
shipping to verify the details. You'll get a final invoice with your K3.
Pretty simple.

Craig
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[Stephen W. Kercel]

With all due respect to Elecraft, I would think that a prudent person
would treat the rollout of a radical new piece of gear in much the
same way as one treats a new release of Windows. There is no use
buying it until its been on the market for at least two years, so
that the vendor can get the inevitable kinks out of both the product,
and their sales/support of it.

73,

Steve Kercel
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[W2AGN-2]

Stephen W. Kercel wrote:

> With all due respect to Elecraft, I would think that a prudent person
> would treat the rollout of a radical new piece of gear in much the same
> way as one treats a new release of Windows. There is no use buying it
> until its been on the market for at least two years, so that the vendor
> can get the inevitable kinks out of both the product, and their
> sales/support of it.
>
> 73,
>
> Steve Kercel
> AA4AK
>

Elecraft is NOT Microsoft (thank God!).

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[Stephen W. Kercel]

John:

I'll admit that there is virtually no chance of Elecraft losing a
billion dollars (or any money at all) by releasing a system before it is ready.

73,

Steve
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At 02:37 PM 7/8/2007, W2AGN wrote:

>Stephen W. Kercel wrote:
> > With all due respect to Elecraft, I would think that a prudent person
> > would treat the rollout of a radical new piece of gear in much the same
> > way as one treats a new release of Windows. There is no use buying it
> > until its been on the market for at least two years, so that the vendor
> > can get the inevitable kinks out of both the product, and their
> > sales/support of it.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Steve Kercel
> > AA4AK
> >
>
>Elecraft is NOT Microsoft (thank God!).
>
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[Bill Steffey NY9H]

Isn't it great that we all have choices.

Like I am going to wait two years ,,,,,,, or
I am not going to wait two years,,,,maybe three weeks,,,,

all because we have choices, which we make on our own criteria.

first batch Bill   ny9h




At 01:35 PM 7/8/2007, Stephen W. Kercel wrote:

>With all due respect to Elecraft, I would think that a prudent
>person would treat the rollout of a radical new piece of gear in
>much the same way as one treats a new release of Windows. There is
>no use buying it until its been on the market for at least two
>years, so that the vendor can get the inevitable kinks out of both
>the product, and their sales/support of it.
>
>73,
>
>Steve Kercel
>AA4AK
>
>
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[W2AGN-2]

Stephen W. Kercel wrote:

> John:
>
> I'll admit that there is virtually no chance of Elecraft losing a
> billion dollars (or any money at all) by releasing a system before it is
> ready.
>
> 73,
>
> Steve
> AA4AK
>

Hey, no problem. You go right ahead and wait 2 years. Meanwhile, the rest of us
will be enjoying our K3s.
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[Thom LaCosta]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote:

>
> This mailing list's spam filter has blocked 3 attempts by me to reply
> to this thread. I think spam filters are more likely to be blame for
> the lack of communication being complained of than any failings at
> Elecraft.

How do you know that?  Did you get a message saying it was blocked?  Was there a
reason?

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[Thom LaCosta]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, Stephen W. Kercel wrote:

> With all due respect to Elecraft, I would think that a prudent person would
> treat the rollout of a radical new piece of gear in much the same way as one
> treats a new release of Windows. There is no use buying it until its been on
> the market for at least two years, so that the vendor can get the inevitable
> kinks out of both the product, and their sales/support of it.

Do you own any Elecradt gear?  Did you actually wait 2 years from introduction
to buy it(them)?


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[Thom LaCosta]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, W2AGN wrote:

>
>
> Hey, no problem. You go right ahead and wait 2 years. Meanwhile, the rest of us
> will be enjoying our K3s.

Perhaps Aptos can create a "Ye of Little Faith" production run.  I believe the
guy that oversees that on is named Thomas.

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Folks,

Lets let this thread rest for now. Its starting to degenerate..

Also, please refrain from direct attacks or characterizations of others
on the list. Continued argumentative or personal attacks will be cause
for removal.

And a general note - Try to restrain the urge to post your opinion on
all topics. The higher the list traffic, the less time we have to get
your K3's out the door. ;-)

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
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Thom LaCosta wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, W2AGN wrote:
>> Hey, no problem. You go right ahead and wait 2 years. Meanwhile, the
>> rest of us
>> will be enjoying our K3s.
> Perhaps Aptos can create a "Ye of Little Faith" production run.  I
> believe the guy that oversees that on is named .....
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[Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]]

But they would have to end up in Chennai (Madras).

73, doug

   Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:55:04 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Thom LaCosta <[hidden email]>

   On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, W2AGN wrote:

   >
   >
   > Hey, no problem. You go right ahead and wait 2 years. Meanwhile, the rest of us
   > will be enjoying our K3s.

   Perhaps Aptos can create a "Ye of Little Faith" production run.  I believe the
   guy that oversees that on is named Thomas.

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[Charly]

As a new guy to the Elecraft reflector, I am quite surprised about the
number of off topic posts and heated exchanges there.  Clearly, these
reflector members have a strong need for a CHAT outlet.

So I suggest following the DX reflector of njdxa fame which solved the need
for chat by opening a separate chat line that kept the important and
on-topic items back on the main reflector and allowed its users greater ease
in knowing when to use the delete key.

Maybe this is a need here???  I can not imagine the pain of an Elecraft
employee who must wade thru all the drivil on their reflector just to find
the very few real posts that need help.  I was a part time ham radio dealer
and seller and the greatest pain was dealing with only potential customers
who did not want to purchase, only to find someone who would talk to them.  
BTW that function is available ON THE AIR.... use that to get the Chat out
of ur system and leave Elecraft to build fine radios..... PS get off their
case about delivery dates..... there was no secret that a wait was in the
cards.... 73

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[Thom LaCosta]

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Charles Harpole wrote:

> As a new guy to the Elecraft reflector, I am quite surprised about the number
> of off topic posts and heated exchanges there.  Clearly, these reflector
> members have a strong need for a CHAT outlet.

There is at least one....no one uses it.

> items back on the main reflector and allowed its users greater ease in
> knowing when to use the delete key.

One would think that users have enough skills to use the delete key.

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[Stephen W. Kercel]

Thom:

Yes to both.

73,

Steve
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At 08:52 PM 7/8/2007, Thom LaCosta wrote:

>On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, Stephen W. Kercel wrote:
>
>>With all due respect to Elecraft, I would think that a prudent
>>person would treat the rollout of a radical new piece of gear in
>>much the same way as one treats a new release of Windows. There is
>>no use buying it until its been on the market for at least two
>>years, so that the vendor can get the inevitable kinks out of both
>>the product, and their sales/support of it.
>
>Do you own any Elecradt gear?  Did you actually wait 2 years from
>introduction to buy it(them)?
>
>
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