REV Button - Rig Comfort

I am all for making changes to buttons to make things easier, but I wonder if some are jumping the gun a little to fast here.  This is a NEW radio and it takes time for an operator to get use to it.  Change is good, but change to make the rig similar to other rigs might not be the answer.

I found for one that I did not have any trouble working Clipperton on split more using the REV key.  Hold the button and tune the knob with my thumb.  (What got me about Clipperton was some of the ops - editorial comment)  I got use to doing it, so I am in the process of retraining myself from the previous rig.

That is the key....retraining my brain for the K3.  The K3 is not an Omni VI+, or a 930 or a 940 or a 850 or a 756PROxx...it is a K3.  It is unique (or different) and it has been planned by a group of excellent engineers and operators.

I for one am learning to appreciate the planning, engineering and development of the unit.

Lee - K0WA





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[ab2tc]

Maybe we can all continue this subject on this thread? No S/W design changes are necessary. The radio already has an A/B button as does nearly any other modern radio, certainly the entire ICOM line and I believe TenTec. Just tap the A/B button, do your tuning on the other frequency, tap A/B again and you're back. Many split errors right now on 14205 (9x03 - gud sig here in CNY). I think in most cases this error occurs because you forget to turn the SPL function on.

73, ab2tc, Knut

Lee Buller wrote

I am all for making changes to buttons to make things easier, but I wonder if some are jumping the gun a little to fast here.  This is a NEW radio and it takes time for an operator to get use to it.  Change is good, but change to make the rig similar to other rigs might not be the answer.

I found for one that I did not have any trouble working Clipperton on split more using the REV key.  Hold the button and tune the knob with my thumb.  (What got me about Clipperton was some of the ops - editorial comment)  I got use to doing it, so I am in the process of retraining myself from the previous rig.

That is the key....retraining my brain for the K3.  The K3 is not an Omni VI+, or a 930 or a 940 or a 850 or a 756PROxx...it is a K3.  It is unique (or different) and it has been planned by a group of excellent engineers and operators.

I for one am learning to appreciate the planning, engineering and development of the unit.

Lee - K0WA





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[P.B. Christensen]

> "I am all for making changes to buttons to make things easier, but I
> wonder if some are jumping the gun a little to fast here.  This is a NEW
> radio and it takes time for an operator to get use to it.  Change is good,
> but change to make the rig similar to other rigs might not be the answer."

Lee:

It's not a matter of jumping the gun, nor getting used to a new radio.  I
also don't believe there is a right or wrong answer as to the placement of
the REV button since every operator likely prefers a slightly different
method whether its a finger, thumb, short stretch to the button, long
stretch to the button, etc.

I worked the 5T5 station last night on 40M and having a closer REV button
would have been a welcome addition.  I believe what Ian and others are
stating is that in the single Rx configuration, the REV button would work
just as it does now, only via a menu, those of us with smaller hands or
those of us who have become accustomed to a shorter-distanced REV button can
have an alternative via the Sub button.

I've also tried using A/B in the past and the results have been disastrous.
I am not the world's best DX split operator and myself along with many
others (the ones calling on the DX frequency), need all the help we can get.
Moreover, the distance to the A/B button is only slightly closer than it is
for REV.  Incorporating Ian's idea of a menu-adjustable option using SUB
makes a lot of sense.

Paul, W9AC

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[gm3sek]

Paul Christensen wrote:
>  I believe what Ian and others are
>stating is that in the single Rx configuration, the REV button would work
>just as it does now, only via a menu,

No, I do not want any new menu affecting the REV button!

Please leave the REV button exactly as it is now, for those who like it
that way.

But if the sub-rx is not installed, please also make the unused SUB
button do the same as the existing REV button.


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73 from Ian GM3SEK
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[Bill W4ZV]

Ian White GM3SEK wrote

No, I do not want any new menu affecting the REV button!

Please leave the REV button exactly as it is now, for those who like it
that way.

But if the sub-rx is not installed, please also make the unused SUB
button do the same as the existing REV button.

I agree, make the choice REV>SUB enabled or disabled.  One caution on the latter point.  Holding SUB with the current firmware enables LINK (which will be used to slave the KRX3), so that needs to be disabled if the REV function is added to SUB for rigs without a KRX3.  Wayne might have some reasons he may not want to do this but I can assure you he will give it careful thought.

73,  Bill

[P.B. Christensen]

> Please leave the REV button exactly as it is now, for those who like it
> that way. But if the sub-rx is not installed, please also make the unused
> SUB button do the same as the existing REV button.

Agreed, Ian.  I mis-spoke as to activating the REV function by depressing
SUB via a menu item.  Operation by simply enabling/disabling of the sub-rx
would be fine.  Tnx!

Paul, W9AC

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[GW0ETF]

I wonder if there is a good reason why the REV function couldn't be allocated to one of the ACC pins and operated by a foot switch.....?

For those ofcourse that don't want to use a foot switch for PTT and/or haven't got the second RX on order...(like me)

Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF

Lee Buller wrote

I am all for making changes to buttons to make things easier, but I wonder if some are jumping the gun a little to fast here.  This is a NEW radio and it takes time for an operator to get use to it.  Change is good, but change to make the rig similar to other rigs might not be the answer.

I found for one that I did not have any trouble working Clipperton on split more using the REV key.  Hold the button and tune the knob with my thumb.  (What got me about Clipperton was some of the ops - editorial comment)  I got use to doing it, so I am in the process of retraining myself from the previous rig.

That is the key....retraining my brain for the K3.  The K3 is not an Omni VI+, or a 930 or a 940 or a 850 or a 756PROxx...it is a K3.  It is unique (or different) and it has been planned by a group of excellent engineers and operators.

I for one am learning to appreciate the planning, engineering and development of the unit.

Lee - K0WA





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[Bill W4ZV]

GW0ETF wrote

I wonder if there is a good reason why the REV function couldn't be allocated to one of the ACC pins and operated by a foot switch.....?

For those ofcourse that don't want to use a foot switch for PTT and/or haven't got the second RX on order...(like me)

Good idea!  I know some did that with the TF-SET on the TS-930S.  It "might" even be possible to hack this yourself if Elecraft didn't want to do it.  

Before giving up on using REV as is, try depressing REV with you left index finger and place your leftmost finger(s) on the top of the big VFO knob.  It helps if the knob is set to spin freely.  I've been doing this since 1984 so it seems very natural to me.  I also LOCK VFO A (on the DX frequency) so any momentum from the knob still moving is not transferred from VFO B to VFO A as REV is released.  I believe this was a relatively recent firmware change and I'm not sure it was ever documented.  There can still be a 10 Hz shift in VFO A if you intentionally release REV while the knob is rapidly spinning but you must really try to induce that (i.e. not a "real" issue IMHO).

73,  Bill