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w7aqk

RTTY

I know this is "old hat" now, especially for serious RTTY buffs (which I am
not!), but every time I work one of these DXpeditions on RTTY, just using
the K3 and CW input, I get a big kick out of it. I just did that on 40
meters with TU7C in the Ivory Coast. I crank out CW at about 25-30 WPM and
the K3 does the rest! Cool! I could do this with my KX3 or KX2 if my
antennas were better!

That's about the only time I venture into the RTTY segment, and I would
generally rather just rag chew on CW, but snagging another DXpedition band
slot this way is fun. It sure beats the heck out of the way I had to do it
in the Army eons ago, with those model 21's, or whatever the nomenclature
was--I've forgotten now. That was in an AN/GRC-26 van, with a BC-610, an
R390, and a rack panel filled with other stuff. It sure got hot inside
those vans!!!! With the K3, I can do it all on a TV tray!

Dave W7AQK

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Ed Muns

Re: RTTY

For DXpeditions and most contests, using the K3/K3S memories will send the
RTTY at normal 60 WPM speed. There is no reason to send CW and have the
RTTY come out at a slow speed which is rude to the other operator. All you
need is two memories programmed, one with your call sign and the other with
your exchange.

Ed W0YK
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From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of w7aqk
Sent: 12 March, 2017 22:52
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY

I know this is "old hat" now, especially for serious RTTY buffs (which I am
not!), but every time I work one of these DXpeditions on RTTY, just using
the K3 and CW input, I get a big kick out of it. I just did that on 40
meters with TU7C in the Ivory Coast. I crank out CW at about 25-30 WPM and
the K3 does the rest! Cool! I could do this with my KX3 or KX2 if my
antennas were better!

That's about the only time I venture into the RTTY segment, and I would
generally rather just rag chew on CW, but snagging another DXpedition band
slot this way is fun. It sure beats the heck out of the way I had to do it
in the Army eons ago, with those model 21's, or whatever the nomenclature
was--I've forgotten now. That was in an AN/GRC-26 van, with a BC-610, an
R390, and a rack panel filled with other stuff. It sure got hot inside
those vans!!!! With the K3, I can do it all on a TV tray!

Dave W7AQK

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Don Wilhelm

Re: RTTY

All,

Also end the message memories with the "|" character so the RF ends
IMmediately.
If you are entering the message with the paddles use "IM" sent as one
character (no space).

You can use those same message memories on CW too, the | character is
ignored.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/13/2017 1:26 PM, Ed Muns wrote:

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briancom

Re: RTTY

In reply to this post by Ed Muns

This works very well. K4CIA who never operated RTTY before a few years
ago uses only the K3 display and built-in memories to call and work DX.
He has now worked over 300 RTTY countries with the K3 only one finger
method. No computer, sound card or RTTY program used. KISS.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 3/13/2017 17:26 PM, Ed Muns wrote:

> For DXpeditions and most contests, using the K3/K3S memories will send the
> RTTY at normal 60 WPM speed. There is no reason to send CW and have the
> RTTY come out at a slow speed which is rude to the other operator. All you
> need is two memories programmed, one with your call sign and the other with
> your exchange.
>
> Ed W0YK
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of w7aqk
> Sent: 12 March, 2017 22:52
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY
>
> I know this is "old hat" now, especially for serious RTTY buffs (which I am
> not!), but every time I work one of these DXpeditions on RTTY, just using
> the K3 and CW input, I get a big kick out of it. I just did that on 40
> meters with TU7C in the Ivory Coast. I crank out CW at about 25-30 WPM and
> the K3 does the rest! Cool! I could do this with my KX3 or KX2 if my
> antennas were better!
>
> That's about the only time I venture into the RTTY segment, and I would
> generally rather just rag chew on CW, but snagging another DXpedition band
> slot this way is fun. It sure beats the heck out of the way I had to do it
> in the Army eons ago, with those model 21's, or whatever the nomenclature
> was--I've forgotten now. That was in an AN/GRC-26 van, with a BC-610, an
> R390, and a rack panel filled with other stuff. It sure got hot inside
> those vans!!!! With the K3, I can do it all on a TV tray!
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: RTTY

... and not a single actual conversation with another human being.

Sad.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/13/2017 11:04 AM, brian wrote:

> This works very well. K4CIA who never operated RTTY before a few
> years ago uses only the K3 display and built-in memories to call and
> work DX. He has now worked over 300 RTTY countries with the K3 only
> one finger method. No computer, sound card or RTTY program used. KISS.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 17:26 PM, Ed Muns wrote:
>> For DXpeditions and most contests, using the K3/K3S memories will
>> send the
>> RTTY at normal 60 WPM speed. There is no reason to send CW and have the
>> RTTY come out at a slow speed which is rude to the other operator.
>> All you
>> need is two memories programmed, one with your call sign and the
>> other with
>> your exchange.
>>
>> Ed W0YK
>> ____________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> _
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> w7aqk
>> Sent: 12 March, 2017 22:52
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY
>>
>> I know this is "old hat" now, especially for serious RTTY buffs
>> (which I am
>> not!), but every time I work one of these DXpeditions on RTTY, just
>> using
>> the K3 and CW input, I get a big kick out of it. I just did that on 40
>> meters with TU7C in the Ivory Coast. I crank out CW at about 25-30
>> WPM and
>> the K3 does the rest! Cool! I could do this with my KX3 or KX2 if my
>> antennas were better!
>>
>> That's about the only time I venture into the RTTY segment, and I would
>> generally rather just rag chew on CW, but snagging another DXpedition
>> band
>> slot this way is fun. It sure beats the heck out of the way I had to
>> do it
>> in the Army eons ago, with those model 21's, or whatever the
>> nomenclature
>> was--I've forgotten now. That was in an AN/GRC-26 van, with a
>> BC-610, an
>> R390, and a rack panel filled with other stuff. It sure got hot inside
>> those vans!!!! With the K3, I can do it all on a TV tray!
>>
>> Dave W7AQK
>>
>>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: RTTY

On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> and not a single actual conversation with another human being.
>
> Sad.

This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT include
rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the purpose of
developing technical skills and knowledge, developing operating skills,
and providing emergency communications. What's sad to me is the mindless
stuff that passes for conversation on our ham bands and the fact that
many hams seem to think that's the purpose of ham radio.

FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face conversation
far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to maintain community
with nearby hams.

73, Jim K9YC

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Grant Youngman-2

Re: RTTY -- (mostly OT)

In many communities you can grow old, wither up, and blow away in the wind before finding someone to “maintain community” with on a local repeater (WX nets excepted). I stopped going there years ago .. the final straw was a local couple who never seemed to tire of having “repeater sex” in the wee hours of the morning on the primary repeater of an (un-named) large city radio club. Not that it wasn’t sometimes interesting …

Different strokes I guess. There is virtue in HF exchanges that go beyond “599 TX TU QRZ“ and "advancing the art", which is not to say that the content (regardless of mode) is markedly better :-)

> And I use local repeaters to maintain community with nearby hams.
>

Grant NQ5T
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: RTTY

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I don't claim credit for this comment as it came to me off-list:

Section 97.1

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
enhance international goodwill.

Unless we are trying to enhance goodwill between silicon chips located
in various parts of the world -- and since the context of the original
comment was establishing communications with 300 DX "countries" --
actually speaking with humans might actually be part of the basis and
purpose of Amateur radio, as opposed to pressing two macro keys on a
radio...

I'm sure others will disagree, and I do understand that this is not how
most hams communicate.

... and as I said, it's a little bit sad.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/13/2017 11:44 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> and not a single actual conversation with another human being.
>>
>> Sad.
>
> This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT
> include rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the
> purpose of developing technical skills and knowledge, developing
> operating skills, and providing emergency communications. What's sad
> to me is the mindless stuff that passes for conversation on our ham
> bands and the fact that many hams seem to think that's the purpose of
> ham radio.
>
> FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face
> conversation far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to
> maintain community with nearby hams.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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kstover

Re: RTTY

Ridiculous!

Just try to "enhance international goodwill" with a human to human
conversation in a DX pileup.

The only difference between having the K3 to send the RTTY and your
computer/soundcard/software doing it is that the human on the K3 using
the keyer is slower and makes mistakes (unless he/she can do 60wpm
mistake free, not likely). Same thing applies using the K3 memories. No
difference between that and punching a function key on a computer
keyboard. Should we outlaw computer sent RTTY and how can you tell the
difference other than the computer makes no mistakes?

I would advise whoever sent the email to walk the talk, get off the
internet and take up pen and paper again. You know, for that human to
human personalization thing.

On 3/13/2017 2:40 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> I don't claim credit for this comment as it came to me off-list:
>
> Section 97.1
>
> (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
> enhance international goodwill.
>
> Unless we are trying to enhance goodwill between silicon chips located
> in various parts of the world -- and since the context of the original
> comment was establishing communications with 300 DX "countries" --
> actually speaking with humans might actually be part of the basis and
> purpose of Amateur radio, as opposed to pressing two macro keys on a
> radio...
>
> I'm sure others will disagree, and I do understand that this is not
> how most hams communicate.
>
> ... and as I said, it's a little bit sad.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 3/13/2017 11:44 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>> and not a single actual conversation with another human being.
>>>
>>> Sad.
>>
>> This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT
>> include rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the
>> purpose of developing technical skills and knowledge, developing
>> operating skills, and providing emergency communications. What's sad
>> to me is the mindless stuff that passes for conversation on our ham
>> bands and the fact that many hams seem to think that's the purpose of
>> ham radio.
>>
>> FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face
>> conversation far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to
>> maintain community with nearby hams.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: RTTY

Okay, Kevin....

Here is the appropriate section:
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=f320c16fc6e027120cc58558cc7a0926&mc=true&node=se47.5.97_11&rgn=div8>

I was told that basically there was no place for ragchewing in Amateur
Radio -- no place at all.

97.1(e) says there is a place for a good ragchew. Not sure where
contesting comes in, but I'll stipulate that it can be fit into 97.1
somewhere.

It does not say that every place is a good place for a ragchew, at any
time. It seems intuitively obvious that a DX pileup is neither the time
nor the place.

You then compare typing on a keyboard to using paddles, and going back
to the post just before mine, it was about using pre-programmed macros
for a contest exchange.

The operators aren't really talking. They're pressing two macro keys
and making an entry in the log.

NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO, SOMEONE WILL SAY "THIS ISN'T
AMATEUR RADIO."

I do respectfully disagree.

It may not be what I want to do, but I've seen the Full-Scan TV ops get
very excited about their favored mode. Moonbounce doesn't excite me,
but it excites moonbounce enthusiasts. Satellites? Did it once, happy
to know about it, not enough to really gear-up for it.

There is room for all of this in Amateur Radio.

... and I'm more than happy to do something else on big Contest
weekends, and to steer clear of the pileups.

I won't name the person I quoted, but his technical contributions are
significant. He'd still rather carry on a conversation than just send
macros.

In my opinion, it is a little bit sad that we have reduced communication
to a couple of macros.

I don't require you to share that opinion, Kevin, nor will I deny you
the pleasure of operating that way if it's what you love.

I won't ridicule it either.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/15/2017 3:45 PM, Kevin wrote:

> Ridiculous!
>
> Just try to "enhance international goodwill" with a human to human
> conversation in a DX pileup.
>
> The only difference between having the K3 to send the RTTY and your
> computer/soundcard/software doing it is that the human on the K3 using
> the keyer is slower and makes mistakes (unless he/she can do 60wpm
> mistake free, not likely). Same thing applies using the K3 memories. No
> difference between that and punching a function key on a computer
> keyboard. Should we outlaw computer sent RTTY and how can you tell the
> difference other than the computer makes no mistakes?
>
> I would advise whoever sent the email to walk the talk, get off the
> internet and take up pen and paper again. You know, for that human to
> human personalization thing.
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 2:40 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> I don't claim credit for this comment as it came to me off-list:
>>
>> Section 97.1
>>
>> (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
>> enhance international goodwill.
>>
>> Unless we are trying to enhance goodwill between silicon chips located
>> in various parts of the world -- and since the context of the original
>> comment was establishing communications with 300 DX "countries" --
>> actually speaking with humans might actually be part of the basis and
>> purpose of Amateur radio, as opposed to pressing two macro keys on a
>> radio...
>>
>> I'm sure others will disagree, and I do understand that this is not
>> how most hams communicate.
>>
>> ... and as I said, it's a little bit sad.
>>
>> 73 -- Lynn
>>
>> On 3/13/2017 11:44 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>>> and not a single actual conversation with another human being.
>>>>
>>>> Sad.
>>>
>>> This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT
>>> include rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the
>>> purpose of developing technical skills and knowledge, developing
>>> operating skills, and providing emergency communications. What's sad
>>> to me is the mindless stuff that passes for conversation on our ham
>>> bands and the fact that many hams seem to think that's the purpose of
>>> ham radio.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face
>>> conversation far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to
>>> maintain community with nearby hams.
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>
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Don Wilhelm

Re: RTTY

"There is a time for every thing, turn, turn, turn. There is a season
for every purpose under Heaven" Those words of Pete Seeger ring in my head.

It is the same on the hambands. There is a time for ragchews and there
is a time for contests, and there is a time for DX contacts which are
looking for the maximum number of QSOs.

On contest weekends, do not expect ragchew QSOs with those who are
contesting.
For DX contacts who are trying to maximize their contacts, the will not
be willing to ragchew.

If you want to ragchew, then do it with stations that are also willing.
Send them a bit of personal information and see if they respond. If
not, they are not willing to ragchew.

Bottom line - it all depends. It takes two to make a conversation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/15/2017 8:44 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

>
> I was told that basically there was no place for ragchewing in Amateur
> Radio -- no place at all.
>
> 97.1(e) says there is a place for a good ragchew. Not sure where
> contesting comes in, but I'll stipulate that it can be fit into 97.1
> somewhere.
>
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Re: RTTY

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IMHO, all the things we normally do in amateur radio are
justified under one or more of the sectuib 97.1 Basis and purpose.

Contests simulate emergency communications, where getting a
message (the contest exchange) through accurately and quickly is
very important. I enter several contests a year, and retreat to
the WARC bands when I don't want to play in a contest.

DXing builds operator skill in pulling information out of very
weak signals. It also supports an amazing number of
international trips to put rare entities on the air. I chase DX
and dream of getting to be a good enough operator to join a
DXpedition. I think Nigel Jolly would agree that amateur radio
has helped build international understanding.

Rag chewing builds operator skills, as well as ensuring that
people's equipment is still working. I like a good rag chew and
I have been known to chat back and forth for 15 minutes to 1/2
an hour on PSK-31. (Note that as a retired software guy, I can
type reasonably well.)

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/15/17 at 5:44 PM, [hidden email] (Lynn W.
Taylor, WB6UUT) wrote:

>I was told that basically there was no place for ragchewing in Amateur Radio -- no place at all.
>
>97.1(e) says there is a place for a good ragchew. Not sure
>where contesting comes in, but I'll stipulate that it can be
>fit into 97.1 somewhere.

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