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Hmmm! I don't quite understand that statement. Why would you worry about every dB at your home station but not necessarily be concerned on a portable setup??? I guess maybe you are saying that, when operating portable, just get the best antenna possible as opposed to a lesser one. Well, that's ideally true, but "you do with what you got"! Whatever antenna you might have for portable use, you want to squeeze every dB you can out of it! I tend to think it could be even more important when operating portable since you already apt to be weaker, and that last dB may be the one that gets you heard! Home station operators might actually ignore such issues since they may already be more than loud enough to be heard. QRP/portable operators tend to not have that luxury. Dave W7AQK ------------------------------------------------- From: David Gilbert <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > Doesn't much matter.? You're still talking a 3 dB difference at most (50 feet vs 30 feet), and while I will be the first to argue the benefit of every single dB for normal station operation (see http://www.ab7e.com/weak_signal/mdd.html), I don't understand the angxt over that 3 dB for portable operation.? If that's actually a concern, bring a better antenna. 73, Dave?? AB7E ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Well, I actually have three reasons why I think the root of this discussion has been misguided: 1. Typical portable operation is for casual fun while camping or just enjoying the outdoors. Squeezing out every last dB doesn't quite fit that scenario. 2. If you are trying to squeeze out every last dB for whatever reason, using an AX1 with 50 feet of coax and an extra tuner isn't the way to do it. There are better choices for the same size and weight budget. 3. And if you are using the AX1 with its very high Q, there are lots of other variables (length of counterpoise, terrain, height above ground, proximity to other detuning influences, etc) that will have far more impact on transmitted signal strength than a couple of extra dB loss due to SWR on the coax. Wayne made pretty much the same comment in the context of SWR, but the same holds for signal strength. Use whatever you want. It makes no difference to me other than the misconceptions that come with it. I've done a LOT of portable operation over the years, and my first priority has always been to put up the best antenna I could within whatever constraints I had at the time. I don't own an AX1 but it appears to be a fine antenna for its intended purpose, which was essentially a backpacker antenna usable even for pedestrian mobile. However, if I was on a camping trip (tent, cooler, etc) and wanted to get out better, I can think of better options. I do own a KX2 and I use it with a homebrew 20m vertical that I can easily carry in one hand for miles (five 4' sections of lightweight tubing, one of which is for elevating the radials) and set up in fewer minutes than I have fingers. 73, Dave AB7E On 8/8/2019 6:51 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > Dave And All, > > > > Hmmm! I don't quite understand that statement. Why would you worry about > every dB at your home station but not necessarily be concerned on a portable > setup??? I guess maybe you are saying that, when operating portable, just > get the best antenna possible as opposed to a lesser one. Well, that's > ideally true, but "you do with what you got"! Whatever antenna you might > have for portable use, you want to squeeze every dB you can out of it! I > tend to think it could be even more important when operating portable since > you already apt to be weaker, and that last dB may be the one that gets you > heard! Home station operators might actually ignore such issues since they > may already be more than loud enough to be heard. QRP/portable operators > tend to not have that luxury. > > > > Dave W7AQK > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > From: David Gilbert <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > > > > > > > Doesn't much matter.? You're still talking a 3 dB difference at most (50 > > feet vs 30 feet), and while I will be the first to argue the benefit of > > every single dB for normal station operation (see > > http://www.ab7e.com/weak_signal/mdd.html), I don't understand the angxt > > over that 3 dB for portable operation.? If that's actually a concern, > > bring a better antenna. > > > > 73, > > Dave?? AB7E > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
I believe it is made in California - but I don't know about the whip.
Wayne will correct me if I am wrong on that. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Bert wrote: > Where is the original Elecraft AX1 antenna made? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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It doesn't seem obvious at all to me that it's a knockoff. There are only 2 units available and he's asking way too high a price for a knockoff. Dave AB7E > > On 8/8/2019 11:05 AM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote: >> I suspect that Wayne and Eric would take a big exception to the use >> of the Elecraft name in their obvious knock-off product. >> >> 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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73, Mark W7MLG On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 2:09 PM David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote: > > It doesn't seem obvious at all to me that it's a knockoff. There are > only 2 units available and he's asking way too high a price for a knockoff. > > Dave AB7E > > > > > > On 8/8/2019 11:05 AM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote: > >> I suspect that Wayne and Eric would take a big exception to the use > >> of the Elecraft name in their obvious knock-off product. > >> > >> 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Wow, Mark! That was very interesting. It may explain a lot of grossly inflated listings I've seen on eBay. Thank you.Mark, KE6BB
-------- Original message --------From: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> Date: 8/8/19 2:43 PM (GMT-08:00) To: David Gilbert <[hidden email]> Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AX1 Loaded Whip Antenna - Elevation and https://www.thebalancesmb.com/how-money-laundering-works-on-ebay-414538773,MarkW7MLGOn Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 2:09 PM David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:>> It doesn't seem obvious at all to me that it's a knockoff. There are> only 2 units available and he's asking way too high a price for a knockoff.>> Dave AB7E>>> >> > On 8/8/2019 11:05 AM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote:> >> I suspect that Wayne and Eric would take a big exception to the use> >> of the Elecraft name in their obvious knock-off product.> >>> >> 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211> >>>> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:[hidden email]>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to marklgoldberg@gmail.com______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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At the factory in California.
Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/8/2019 1:53 PM, Bert wrote: > Where is the original Elecraft AX1 antenna made? > > Bert VE3NR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
:-) Buy US. Buy Elecraft. Plain and simple.
72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:42 PM To: Bert <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AX1 Loaded Whip Antenna - Elevation and At the factory in California. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/8/2019 1:53 PM, Bert wrote: > Where is the original Elecraft AX1 antenna made? > > Bert VE3NR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Let me add to this post.... Elecraft quality, products and engineering are fabulous. Yes, I have been drinking the cool-aid for a decade. Love the entire deal. Tired of much of the other manufacturers over the years. Have had issues only resolved by selling. YMMV. Mine doesn't.
Now for Eric and Wayne to keep providing us new products! 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 6:07 PM To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[hidden email]>; Bert <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AX1 Loaded Whip Antenna - Elevation and :-) Buy US. Buy Elecraft. Plain and simple. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:42 PM To: Bert <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AX1 Loaded Whip Antenna - Elevation and At the factory in California. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/8/2019 1:53 PM, Bert wrote: > Where is the original Elecraft AX1 antenna made? > > Bert VE3NR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I brought along a NanoVNA this trip and used it to array the two counterpoise
attached to my AX1 antenna - adjustments of counterpoise brought SWR down from 9+ to <2. SNRs in the low ‘teens with a 200mW WSPRlite vs upper 20s - *inside* a hotel room with sealed windows. As Wayne said, the AX1 is particular wrt configuration. When it’s good, it’s very, very good, but when it’s bad, it’s terrible. The NanoVNA is pretty cheap/light kit to add if you’re not bringing an ATU-enabled rig. Bret/N4SRN -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
I think users of the AX1 would be better off thinking of IT as the counterpoise, and making the most out of what they normally consider to be the counterpoise wire. Look at it this way. Unless you have a lot of current on the shield of the coax (in which case IT is doing a lot of radiating), roughly equal currents are going to try to go both ways from the feedpoint ... into the AX1 and into the "counterpoise" wire. The AX1 is typically physically shorter and it certainly has more loss, and since the radiated field is a function of net current and length, in most cases the counterpoise wire is at least trying to do the most radiating. I say "in most cases" because the typical position of the counterpoise wire puts it along the ground or near some other RF-sucking structure. In my opinion, probably the best way to use the AX1 is to put the counterpoise wire as straight, high, and in the clear as possible and let the AX1 act like the shortened other half of the circuit (i.e., the counterpoise). If that isn't possible, make the counterpoise wire as straight and vertical as possible ... climb a tree and let the wire hang down. ;) If I had a good EZNEC model of the AX1 I'm pretty sure I could prove that assertion, but for those who have an AX1 I'd bet some field strength experiments would bear me out. I'm not saying that the AX1 isn't a worthwhile investment, and I'm not saying it doesn't radiate. I just think there are some misconceptions on what it's actually doing and how to best make use of it. 73, Dave AB7E On 8/26/2019 3:51 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > I brought along a NanoVNA this trip and used it to array the two counterpoise > attached to my AX1 antenna - adjustments of counterpoise brought SWR down > from 9+ to <2. SNRs in the low ‘teens with a 200mW WSPRlite vs upper 20s - > *inside* a hotel room with sealed windows. > > As Wayne said, the AX1 is particular wrt configuration. When it’s good, it’s > very, very good, but when it’s bad, it’s terrible. The NanoVNA is pretty > cheap/light kit to add if you’re not bringing an ATU-enabled rig. > > Bret/N4SRN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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It’s designed for /PM and stealth ops. In many other situations, of course, a longer/higher antenna will be more efficient.
73, Wayne N6KR ---- elecraft.com > On Aug 26, 2019, at 9:26 PM, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I think users of the AX1 would be better off thinking of IT as the counterpoise, and making the most out of what they normally consider to be the counterpoise wire. > > Look at it this way. Unless you have a lot of current on the shield of the coax (in which case IT is doing a lot of radiating), roughly equal currents are going to try to go both ways from the feedpoint ... into the AX1 and into the "counterpoise" wire. The AX1 is typically physically shorter and it certainly has more loss, and since the radiated field is a function of net current and length, in most cases the counterpoise wire is at least trying to do the most radiating. I say "in most cases" because the typical position of the counterpoise wire puts it along the ground or near some other RF-sucking structure. > > In my opinion, probably the best way to use the AX1 is to put the counterpoise wire as straight, high, and in the clear as possible and let the AX1 act like the shortened other half of the circuit (i.e., the counterpoise). If that isn't possible, make the counterpoise wire as straight and vertical as possible ... climb a tree and let the wire hang down. ;) > > If I had a good EZNEC model of the AX1 I'm pretty sure I could prove that assertion, but for those who have an AX1 I'd bet some field strength experiments would bear me out. > > I'm not saying that the AX1 isn't a worthwhile investment, and I'm not saying it doesn't radiate. I just think there are some misconceptions on what it's actually doing and how to best make use of it. > > 73, > Dave AB7E > > > > >> On 8/26/2019 3:51 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >> I brought along a NanoVNA this trip and used it to array the two counterpoise >> attached to my AX1 antenna - adjustments of counterpoise brought SWR down >> from 9+ to <2. SNRs in the low ‘teens with a 200mW WSPRlite vs upper 20s - >> *inside* a hotel room with sealed windows. >> >> As Wayne said, the AX1 is particular wrt configuration. When it’s good, it’s >> very, very good, but when it’s bad, it’s terrible. The NanoVNA is pretty >> cheap/light kit to add if you’re not bringing an ATU-enabled rig. >> >> Bret/N4SRN > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Certainly true, and it's great for that, but a lot of the posts here have been about people using it for more than that ... like camping and restrictive locations. I'm just saying those folks could get more out of it by treating it differently, and it would serve a very useful purpose in that function if they did. 73, Dave AB7E On 8/26/2019 10:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > It’s designed for /PM and stealth ops. In many other situations, of > course, a longer/higher antenna will be more efficient. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com> > > On Aug 26, 2019, at 9:26 PM, David Gilbert <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > >> >> I think users of the AX1 would be better off thinking of IT as the >> counterpoise, and making the most out of what they normally consider >> to be the counterpoise wire. >> >> Look at it this way. Unless you have a lot of current on the shield >> of the coax (in which case IT is doing a lot of radiating), roughly >> equal currents are going to try to go both ways from the feedpoint >> ... into the AX1 and into the "counterpoise" wire. The AX1 is >> typically physically shorter and it certainly has more loss, and >> since the radiated field is a function of net current and length, in >> most cases the counterpoise wire is at least trying to do the most >> radiating. I say "in most cases" because the typical position of the >> counterpoise wire puts it along the ground or near some other >> RF-sucking structure. >> >> In my opinion, probably the best way to use the AX1 is to put the >> counterpoise wire as straight, high, and in the clear as possible and >> let the AX1 act like the shortened other half of the circuit (i.e., >> the counterpoise). If that isn't possible, make the counterpoise >> wire as straight and vertical as possible ... climb a tree and let >> the wire hang down. ;) >> >> If I had a good EZNEC model of the AX1 I'm pretty sure I could prove >> that assertion, but for those who have an AX1 I'd bet some field >> strength experiments would bear me out. >> >> I'm not saying that the AX1 isn't a worthwhile investment, and I'm >> not saying it doesn't radiate. I just think there are some >> misconceptions on what it's actually doing and how to best make use >> of it. >> >> 73, >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> >> >> On 8/26/2019 3:51 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >>> I brought along a NanoVNA this trip and used it to array the two >>> counterpoise >>> attached to my AX1 antenna - adjustments of counterpoise brought SWR >>> down >>> from 9+ to <2. SNRs in the low ‘teens with a 200mW WSPRlite vs upper >>> 20s - >>> *inside* a hotel room with sealed windows. >>> >>> As Wayne said, the AX1 is particular wrt configuration. When it’s >>> good, it’s >>> very, very good, but when it’s bad, it’s terrible. The NanoVNA is pretty >>> cheap/light kit to add if you’re not bringing an ATU-enabled rig. >>> >>> Bret/N4SRN >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I think you'll find that for a short vertical radiator and a single counterpoise wire the maximum radiation is in the direction of the wire. EZNEC confirms this and I've tested it with a friend the length of California on 40 m where with the counterpoise pointed away from him I could barely copy him, flipping the wire 180° brought his signal up significantly. He saw the same thing on his end.
73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Aug 26, 2019, at 18:26, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I think users of the AX1 would be better off thinking of IT as the counterpoise, and making the most out of what they normally consider to be the counterpoise wire. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Not trying to start a disagreement here, but I don’t see the point.
If you want to run a wire antenna, then, good gracious, run a wire antenna. They work pretty well portable. I carry two in my bag. But I fail to see the rationale of using the AX1 as a “counterpoise”. For quick low profile portable, the AX1 works as well as you can expect a very short loaded radiator to work. For that purpose it’s easy, quick on the air, and does fine. Grant NQ5T KX3 (8342)/KXPA100 >> >> I think users of the AX1 would be better off thinking of IT as the counterpoise, and making the most out of what they normally consider to be the counterpoise wire. >> \ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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