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Mike Morrow-3
Discussions of Morse copying skills are nowadays addressed to casual amateur efforts where complete and accurate hard-copy output is seldom required.  Professional Morse skill was measured at the speed that the operator produced complete and accurate hard-copy.  An operator who head copies at 50 wpm but hard copies at 15 wpm was a 15 wpm operator.

In the history of Morse for military and commercial service, the ONLY valuable skill was producing accurate hard-copy of both plain language text and code groups.  The professional licenses for radiotelegraphy were the Third Class, Second Class, and First Class Radiotelegraph certificates.  The Third and Second Class licenses required the following:

PLAIN LANGUAGE (including common punctuation) - 20 wpm - Receive and send 100 consecutive characters (1 minute) without error in a 500 character (5 minute) text.
CODE GROUPS (5-character groups of letters and numbers) - 16 wpm - Receive and send 80 consecutive characters (1 minute) without error in a 400 character (5 minute) text.

Most candidates found that slow-speed code group receiving test to be the most difficult part.  (It took me three 200-mile trips to the Kansas City FCC office to finally pass.) All those mental skills that allow an operator to decipher entire words in plain language are of no help with code groups...there's no process of "hearing code groups".  There is also no possibility of reviewing copied text and context for needed obvious corrections.  Although it's not required for 16 wpm, operators skilled at high speed code groups develop an automatic "unthinking" response to actuate keys on the mill/keyboard as characters are heard.

The era of the professional commercial Morse operator essentially ended in July 1999 when maritime Morse operation ceased in the US.  In the same era the US military banned use of Morse, even going so far as eliminating it from MARS repeater IDs.

It was a great era with great operators.  A dear friend of mine (Al, W5KGM) was a professional Morse operator for airlines and in WWII Atlantic merchant ship convoys from 1937 to the 1970s.  He could do do everything commercial-quality at 60-wpm or better.  He became a silent key at age 102 last year...there aren't many such "real" Morse professionals left.

It's unfortunate that the ham bands have been since 1999 the only place that Morse radiotelegraphy may be heard for practice.  Before that, the marine Morse bands (especially 400 to 520 kHz) provided far more interesting copy for development of Morse reception skill.  (I usually kept a receiver on 500 kHz/600 meters at night.)  Morse skill was also reinforced (at least for a while) in the Cold War for radiomen in my squadron of ballistic missile submarines on the logical consideration that if world events ever provoked missile launch, it was unlikely that normal sophisticated submarine communications networks would exist afterwards.

But today...Morse is only a hobbyist's or historian's undertaking.  I personally found practice at Morse reception to be far more rewarding outside the ham bands...but that option no longer exists.

Mike / KK5F
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Copying CW at high speeds

Ken G Kopp
See my QRZ page regarding my USC&GS ... later NOAA ... shipboard
operation.  Also "hung out" at WPD, RCA's shore station on the Tampa
waterfront. Op there was Al Andres (not a Ham).

73

K0PP



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Date: Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 09:39
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW at high speeds (OT to Elecraft)
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Discussions of Morse copying skills are nowadays addressed to casual
amateur efforts where complete and accurate hard-copy output is seldom
required.  Professional Morse skill was measured at the speed that the
operator produced complete and accurate hard-copy.  An operator who head
copies at 50 wpm but hard copies at 15 wpm was a 15 wpm operator.

In the history of Morse for military and commercial service, the ONLY
valuable skill was producing accurate hard-copy of both plain language text
and code groups.  The professional licenses for radiotelegraphy were the
Third Class, Second Class, and First Class Radiotelegraph certificates.
The Third and Second Class licenses required the following:

PLAIN LANGUAGE (including common punctuation) - 20 wpm - Receive and send
100 consecutive characters (1 minute) without error in a 500 character (5
minute) text.
CODE GROUPS (5-character groups of letters and numbers) - 16 wpm - Receive
and send 80 consecutive characters (1 minute) without error in a 400
character (5 minute) text.

Most candidates found that slow-speed code group receiving test to be the
most difficult part.  (It took me three 200-mile trips to the Kansas City
FCC office to finally pass.) All those mental skills that allow an operator
to decipher entire words in plain language are of no help with code
groups...there's no process of "hearing code groups".  There is also no
possibility of reviewing copied text and context for needed obvious
corrections.  Although it's not required for 16 wpm, operators skilled at
high speed code groups develop an automatic "unthinking" response to
actuate keys on the mill/keyboard as characters are heard.

The era of the professional commercial Morse operator essentially ended in
July 1999 when maritime Morse operation ceased in the US.  In the same era
the US military banned use of Morse, even going so far as eliminating it
from MARS repeater IDs.

It was a great era with great operators.  A dear friend of mine (Al, W5KGM)
was a professional Morse operator for airlines and in WWII Atlantic
merchant ship convoys from 1937 to the 1970s.  He could do do everything
commercial-quality at 60-wpm or better.  He became a silent key at age 102
last year...there aren't many such "real" Morse professionals left.

It's unfortunate that the ham bands have been since 1999 the only place
that Morse radiotelegraphy may be heard for practice.  Before that, the
marine Morse bands (especially 400 to 520 kHz) provided far more
interesting copy for development of Morse reception skill.  (I usually kept
a receiver on 500 kHz/600 meters at night.)  Morse skill was also
reinforced (at least for a while) in the Cold War for radiomen in my
squadron of ballistic missile submarines on the logical consideration that
if world events ever provoked missile launch, it was unlikely that normal
sophisticated submarine communications networks would exist afterwards.

But today...Morse is only a hobbyist's or historian's undertaking.  I
personally found practice at Morse reception to be far more rewarding
outside the ham bands...but that option no longer exists.

Mike / KK5F
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Re: Copying CW at high speeds (OT to Elecraft)

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On 12/29/2019 8:39 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:

> But today...Morse is only a hobbyist's or historian's undertaking.  I
> personally found practice at Morse reception to be far more rewarding
> outside the ham bands...but that option no longer exists.

Check out <www.radiomarine.org> for the schedule of operations of KPH /
KFS / KSM  Morse press and traffic transmissions every Saturday.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: Copying CW at high speeds (OT to Elecraft)

k6dgw
I don't think they use KSM any longer.  Both KPH and KFS are active and
assigned to Global HFnet LLC, and I think the museum society worked out
some deal for perpetual usage of the calls and working frequencies by
the museum site.  At least that's what RD told me.  KSM is still active
in ULS assigned to MRHS.  KPH also sends it's wheel on several HF
working frequencies.

Prior to starting manned operations from Pt. Reyes each Sat, they have
KFS on 426 Kc [I think] for an hour or so of 25 WPM "Free Press" at 5 KW
sent from the Bolinas TX site.  Excellent source of CW practice if you
can hear it.  Years ago, I practiced by listening to KOK in Los Angeles
which was only 10 miles or so from home and very strong.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 12/29/2019 2:05 PM, Phil Kane wrote:

> On 12/29/2019 8:39 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>
>> But today...Morse is only a hobbyist's or historian's undertaking.  I
>> personally found practice at Morse reception to be far more rewarding
>> outside the ham bands...but that option no longer exists.
> Check out <www.radiomarine.org> for the schedule of operations of KPH /
> KFS / KSM  Morse press and traffic transmissions every Saturday.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>

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Re: Copying CW at high speeds (OT to Elecraft)

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 Guys,
I think all the comments are very good but would like to add this PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE...
I know lots of hams that would like to learn the code but not enough to put the time in. If a person just puts in 15 or 20 minutes each day to practice, it will keep them from slipping backwards on their copying speed IMO. In today's world with phone APS it's easier and more convenient than ever. I encourage hams to at least give CW a try because it can be very rewarding.
Happy New Year To All!
Best 73's
Bill N3WM  EX Navy RM2 Vietnam Era



    On Sunday, December 29, 2019, 11:41:41 AM EST, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:  
 
 Discussions of Morse copying skills are nowadays addressed to casual amateur efforts where complete and accurate hard-copy output is seldom required.  Professional Morse skill was measured at the speed that the operator produced complete and accurate hard-copy.  An operator who head copies at 50 wpm but hard copies at 15 wpm was a 15 wpm operator.

In the history of Morse for military and commercial service, the ONLY valuable skill was producing accurate hard-copy of both plain language text and code groups.  The professional licenses for radiotelegraphy were the Third Class, Second Class, and First Class Radiotelegraph certificates.  The Third and Second Class licenses required the following:

PLAIN LANGUAGE (including common punctuation) - 20 wpm - Receive and send 100 consecutive characters (1 minute) without error in a 500 character (5 minute) text.
CODE GROUPS (5-character groups of letters and numbers) - 16 wpm - Receive and send 80 consecutive characters (1 minute) without error in a 400 character (5 minute) text.

Most candidates found that slow-speed code group receiving test to be the most difficult part.  (It took me three 200-mile trips to the Kansas City FCC office to finally pass.) All those mental skills that allow an operator to decipher entire words in plain language are of no help with code groups...there's no process of "hearing code groups".  There is also no possibility of reviewing copied text and context for needed obvious corrections.  Although it's not required for 16 wpm, operators skilled at high speed code groups develop an automatic "unthinking" response to actuate keys on the mill/keyboard as characters are heard.

The era of the professional commercial Morse operator essentially ended in July 1999 when maritime Morse operation ceased in the US.  In the same era the US military banned use of Morse, even going so far as eliminating it from MARS repeater IDs.

It was a great era with great operators.  A dear friend of mine (Al, W5KGM) was a professional Morse operator for airlines and in WWII Atlantic merchant ship convoys from 1937 to the 1970s.  He could do do everything commercial-quality at 60-wpm or better.  He became a silent key at age 102 last year...there aren't many such "real" Morse professionals left.

It's unfortunate that the ham bands have been since 1999 the only place that Morse radiotelegraphy may be heard for practice.  Before that, the marine Morse bands (especially 400 to 520 kHz) provided far more interesting copy for development of Morse reception skill.  (I usually kept a receiver on 500 kHz/600 meters at night.)  Morse skill was also reinforced (at least for a while) in the Cold War for radiomen in my squadron of ballistic missile submarines on the logical consideration that if world events ever provoked missile launch, it was unlikely that normal sophisticated submarine communications networks would exist afterwards.

But today...Morse is only a hobbyist's or historian's undertaking.  I personally found practice at Morse reception to be far more rewarding outside the ham bands...but that option no longer exists.

Mike / KK5F
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Re: Copying CW at high speeds (OT to Elecraft)

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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Hi Folks,

Great thread, but we're past the single OT posting limit.  Lets wind this and
its related threads down now in the interest in respecting our other readers and
relieving them of email overload :-)

73,
Eric
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On 12/30/2019 7:33 AM, Bill Mellema via Elecraft wrote:
>   Guys,
> I think all the comments are very good but would like to add this PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE...
> I know lots of hams that would like to learn the code but not enough to put the time in. If a person just puts in 15 or 20 minutes each day to practice, it will keep them from slipping backwards on their copying speed IMO. In today's world with phone APS it's easier and more convenient than ever. I encourage hams to at least give CW a try because it can be very rewarding.
> Happy New Year To All!
> Best 73's
> Bill N3WM  EX Navy RM2 Vietnam Era
>
>

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