Re: (Elecraft) 6mtrs!
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Jay,
Maybe you're blessed or you don't think that "Elecraft" can do no wrong! What I and others are saying is that in OUR SITUATIONS the 6mtr. section sucks! That's why we're procuring the 6m. PREAMP, in that we still have faith in the "K3" overall!!! Jim/nn6ee S/N 2406 (even this high # 6m. LACKS HUGELY!!! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Jim,
I don't think anyone's aimed anything at you ... at all. Some (of us) are just saying that we have found no problem with our K3's on 6M ... nothing more. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [hidden email] _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:54:16 -0000
"Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Jim, > > I don't think anyone's aimed anything at you ... at all. > > Some (of us) are just saying that we have found no > problem with our K3's on 6M ... nothing more. > > 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP > [hidden email] > DEAR KEN, I understand and I don't take offense, and I'm sure that the others out here don't either!!!!!! I'm not THE ONLY ONE WITH A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT OBVIOUSLY!!! So let's not single me out as the "scape-goat" OK??? Others out here have expressed my own same complaints about 6m as WELL!!! Jim/nn6ee _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:58:18 -0000
"Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Jim, > > Using caps in a message is taken as shouting. > > Your posts sound/read like bitching or anger. > >FWIW > > 73! Ken > i guess that you feel very insecure when someone does not abide by your rules ken!!!!!!!!!! so let's just say that i'll print whatever i want in either upper or lower case whenever and you can go back to your "cubicle" and do whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if someone wants to use "upper-case" i don't take offense! why do you? is there any gentleman's agreement on that? i don't think so!!!!! OK??? Jim/nn6ee _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I really have not checked my K-3 out on 6 but just went to 6 meters on both
my Icoms and heard 2 different QSO's and then switched to my K-3 and it appears to receive the stations just as well as a IC7000 & IC7700????????? 73 de KE4WY Jim -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of JIM DAVIS Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:49 PM To: Ken Kopp; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (Elecraft) 6mtrs! On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:54:16 -0000 "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Jim, > > I don't think anyone's aimed anything at you ... at all. > > Some (of us) are just saying that we have found no > problem with our K3's on 6M ... nothing more. > > 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP > [hidden email] > DEAR KEN, I understand and I don't take offense, and I'm sure that the others out here don't either!!!!!! I'm not THE ONLY ONE WITH A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT OBVIOUSLY!!! So let's not single me out as the "scape-goat" OK??? Others out here have expressed my own same complaints about 6m as WELL!!! Jim/nn6ee _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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We all know the facts, here: since the K3 was optimized for dynamic
range, its sensitivity on 6 m is lower than some types of operation demand. Hence the PR6 preamp -- for those who want it. We now continue with our regular civilized Elecraft reflector postings :) 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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JIM DAVIS wrote:
> Jay, > > Maybe you're blessed or you don't think that "Elecraft" can do no wrong! What > I and others are saying is that in OUR SITUATIONS the 6mtr. section sucks! > That's why we're procuring the 6m. PREAMP, in that we still have faith in the > "K3" overall!!! > > Jim/nn6ee S/N 2406 (even this high # 6m. LACKS HUGELY!!! > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: > [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: > http://www.elecraft.com > > The PR6 is really a neat contraption ;-) The way it can be automatically switched on when you just move to the 6m band is quite clever. Most commercial 6m radios have a front end noise figure around 6 dB and lack sensitivity on 6m in deference to better large signal handling capability. As I recall, the stock K3 is somewhere around 12 or 13 dB. You won't notice the lack of sensitivity when you have strong signals on 6m such as Es during June and July (or yesterday from the East Coast to Europe). However, if you live in a quiet location, you will DEFINITELY gain some critical dB sensitivity when you try to copy very weak signals at the noise level (or BELOW the audible noise level, if you use the weak signal digital mode of JT65A). With the addition of the PR6, you will have the hottest 6m receiver available anywhere in the world ;-) Enjoy your new piece of equipment! GL and VY 73, Lance -- Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex: WN3GPL, WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8) P.O. Box 73 Frenchtown, MT 59834 USA QTH: DN27UB TEL: (406) 626-5728 URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj 2m DXCC #11, 6m DXCC #815 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Jim,
No worries on this. Yes I am blessed thank you and probably my K3 is as well if you knew the full story. The serial number of this one is # 791 and the one I used last summer on 6m was #850. I think anyone that knows me, including Wayne and Eric, would not classified me as a person that thinks Elecraft can do "no wrong". Eric I am sure will tell you different. However they and their staff sure do a lot that is right. They do try their best to make it right with you if something is wrong! Jim, I trust me I wasn't judging you or others having a problem with 6m sensitivity from the front roll of the Elecraft Church. Without getting emotional I was making a statement as to maybe the cause. I was not implying that you or others don't have a problem. I am sure there is something going on, I wish we were closer so I could offer a hand in running down the problem. Here is the run down of my station that I don't usually give as it changes almost daily. During the month of June 2008 the shack consisted of serial # 850 K3, TS-480, IC-756 Pro 3, and a IC 7700. Again my antenna setup was a meager for 6m, just a 3 element mono-bander with almost no feedline going to it. At no time did I find the K3 lacking in sensitivity on 6m compared to the other rigs and yes I did switch them in and out. I did wonder why some other K3's seem to be deaf on 6m compared to TS-2000 or 746 Pro's as reported here on the reflector. At my station the result was not the same as some report here and so I kept the K3 on the 6m beam, while using the other rigs for HF. Later postings from Wayne explain things on the design of the K3 and then the new 6m pre-amp, so I quit wondering so much. Having said the above, I can also say the same thing in reverse. I chase a lot of weak signal work with wire only antennas and at no time is there a distinct advantage between the K3 and say the Pro 3 or even the 7700. All rigs have their pluses and minuses, plus I am pretty good at wheeling the knobs on the various rigs. I am not running a contest station here with mega power, multiple antennas, SO2R, etc. If I was running SO2R or similar setup I might be more biased towards the K3 and move up to the front pew of the church. I will say this, under strong RF conditions I have never seen a rig hold up better than the Elecrafts. The kind of RF levels most shacks will never have to deal with. This has nothing to do with 6 meters or your problem, but the above was to let you know I am far from being an Elecraft groupie. Not that being a groupie would be all that bad either. Jim I do wish you luck with your problem and I meant no offense in my posting to you or others on this list. 73 de jay/w5jay.. > Jay, > > Maybe you're blessed or you don't think that "Elecraft" can do no wrong! > What I and others are > saying is that in OUR SITUATIONS the 6mtr. section sucks! That's why we're > procuring the 6m. > PREAMP, in that we still have faith in the "K3" overall!!! > > Jim/nn6ee > S/N 2406 (even this high # 6m. LACKS HUGELY!!! > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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