Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
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Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
 
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> > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:25:15 -0400 > From: "Chester Alderman" <[hidden email]> > To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA > Message-ID: <003601cfb89d$1dbd1160$59373420$@windstream.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > To me that is just a silly expectation for ANY ham radio manufacturer to > consider. Can you just imagine what a quagmire Elecraft would generate if > they open-sourced their firmware? With enough eye balls looking at the code all bugs are shallow. I think Elecraft could benefit from an extra 100 pair of eyes looking at the problems at no cost contributing an average of 100 hours a week at it. Could you imagine what kind of quagmire that could result in? A better product no less! > They would have to stop producing > profitable products just to spend time trying to pull software 'expurts' > out > of the trouble they themselves generated. > Breaking things is a necessary part of the process. > And once the 'community' turned the firmware into total trash, then you > would expect Elecraft to bail you out???? > > You don't seem to understand what this entails. Elecraft would still control software updates including open source contributions. The Internet is built on open source protocols and software and ham radio manufacturers would be wise to follow suit. This is a low risk, high gain move with nearly zero switching cost. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
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Andrew White <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:25:15 -0400 > > From: "Chester Alderman" <[hidden email]> > > To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" <[hidden email]> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA > > Message-ID: <003601cfb89d$1dbd1160$59373420$@windstream.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > To me that is just a silly expectation for ANY ham radio manufacturer to > > consider. Can you just imagine what a quagmire Elecraft would generate if > > they open-sourced their firmware? > > And yet open-source software has been shown to be very successful. Why do you think many corporate/government organizations are turning to it? > With enough eye balls looking at the code all bugs are shallow. I think > Elecraft could benefit from an extra 100 pair of eyes looking at the > problems at no cost contributing an average of 100 hours a week at it. > Could you imagine what kind of quagmire that could result in? A better > product no less! > > > > They would have to stop producing > > profitable products just to spend time trying to pull software 'expurts' > > out > > of the trouble they themselves generated. > > > OR, that could become another profitable sector of the company. > Breaking things is a necessary part of the process. > > > > And once the 'community' turned the firmware into total trash, then you > > would expect Elecraft to bail you out???? > > > > > You don't seem to understand what this entails. Elecraft would still > control software updates including open source contributions. The Internet > is built on open source protocols and software and ham radio manufacturers > would be wise to follow suit. This is a low risk, high gain move with > nearly zero switching cost. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] 73, Tom KG7CFC -- Life takes on meaning when you become motivated, set goals and charge after them in an unstoppable manner. -Les Brown ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. ^^^^ Tom Taylor KG7CFC openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD Phenom X4 955, GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Nvidia 337.19) 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 27.0, claws-mail 3.10.0 registered linux user 263467 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
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On 8/19/2014 1:02 AM, Andrew White wrote:
> With enough eye balls looking at the code all bugs are shallow. I think > Elecraft could benefit from an extra 100 pair of eyes looking at the > problems at no cost contributing an average of 100 hours a week at it. > Could you imagine what kind of quagmire that could result in? A better > product no less! Once upon a time, this was the argument behind all open source projects -- everyone is looking at the code, therefore every security hole will be seen as part of this massively parallel but highly informal code review. If you want to see the truth, look at all of the websites out there that have been hacked because they're running some kind of open source framework. Those sites usually used someone's open source upload component, but no one did a code-review for security issues before adopting the component(s) in question. That's because people do not read code for pleasure, nor do they find great joy in smashing bugs. They just use what they need, and do enough to get what they want. Closed-source isn't the solution, but neither is open-source. 73 -- Lynn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Well the best I could offer about this is a maybe.
From a long time ago a phrase my mother often used is also applicable and I'd go with it: "To many cooks spoil the soup" 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR > With enough eye balls looking at the code all bugs are shallow. I think > Elecraft could benefit from an extra 100 pair of eyes looking at the > problems at no cost contributing an average of 100 hours a week at it. > Could you imagine what kind of quagmire that could result in? A better > product no less! > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
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I have used several open-source programs on my PC. I am a user, not a
programmer, so I have a different perspective. The "support" is through forums, and if you are not sufficiently skilled in "geek speak", there is danger that you will be flamed for asking a question, or you may receive an answer that is so thoroughly steeped in "geek speak" that it is useless for you. Been there done that. Besides you have to constantly monitor the forum to see if anyone has provided an answer to your question. If a user has a problem with an Elecraft product and contacts Elecraft support, you can expect to discuss your situation with someone who is both responsive and knowledgeable and will work with you to resolve the issue or present it to engineering. I highly suspect that would not be the case if the firmware were open-source. Open-source is 'nice' for programmers who want to implement their pet additions, but for the majority of users, open-source is not the way to go IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR > And yet open-source software has been shown to be very successful. Why do you > think many corporate/government organizations are turning to it? > > >> With enough eye balls looking at the code all bugs are shallow. I think >> Elecraft could benefit from an extra 100 pair of eyes looking at the >> problems at no cost contributing an average of 100 hours a week at it. >> Could you imagine what kind of quagmire that could result in? A better >> product no less! >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
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A meaningful subject line would allow more efficient use of the delete key!
Tnx & 73 Josh W6XU Sent from my Technophone PC105T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
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I can just imagine the resource drain it would inflict upon Elecraft to investigate all the possible unexpected and unwanted side effects that might be buried in open source modifications to their products that could easily affect the broader reputation of their products in the marketplace, especially given the memory space and performance constraints of an embedded processor. Not to mention, of course, the possibility of somebody burying a small chunk of malicious code. I don't think your proposal represents low risk at all, particularly to Elecraft, but also to that portion of the user base who even stumble over officially released firmware upgrades and would now have to sort out multiple options competing for the same limited number of bytes of code, and in ways that may not be compatible. Elecraft's brand image hangs on EVERYTHING associated with their products ... not just the things they create themselves. If somebody contributes a modification that adds a feature but harms something else, the rig bears the brunt of the loss in reputation. I think possibly you may be the one that doesn't understand what this actually entails. Dave AB7E p.s. I missed your callsign, Andrew. Care to give it? On 8/19/2014 1:02 AM, Andrew White wrote: > > You don't seem to understand what this entails. Elecraft would still > control software updates including open source contributions. The Internet > is built on open source protocols and software and ham radio manufacturers > would be wise to follow suit. This is a low risk, high gain move with > nearly zero switching cost. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Leaving the military in 1972, I supported my family in control system,
communications, and software engineering, mainly for the military. In due time I started leading more than one project at a time. Since the open-source discussion came up on the list, I've combed my memory of all those projects past. So far, I cannot come up with a single programmer [later "software engineer"] who, at least once, did *not* come to me and say, "The code's a mess, best thing to do is rewrite all of it." I'll let everyone know if I remember one. :-)) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 8/19/2014 1:02 AM, Andrew White wrote: > With enough eye balls looking at the code all bugs are shallow. I think > Elecraft could benefit from an extra 100 pair of eyes looking at the > problems at no cost contributing an average of 100 hours a week at it. > Could you imagine what kind of quagmire that could result in? A better > product no less! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Question: Does changing the subject line foul up those who read their
email as a threaded list? I don't, but I'm reluctant to change the subject when replying, even if it is far afield of the current email content, for fear of just making things harder for some [or many]. Answers direct if you wish to keep the list BW down, I'll post a single summary. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 8/19/2014 10:40 AM, Josh wrote: > A meaningful subject line would allow more efficient use of the delete key! > > Tnx & 73 > Josh W6XU ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Changing the subject line
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Fred, correcting the subject line might, I say might, affect a few thread followers. However the other readers will bless your intelligence in changing as we can delete without opening the file. While we at it why can't the poster put the proper subject line in the first place? Sometimes I think this is Mrs. Mayfield's kindergarten class where the followers get in line just because there is a line forming.
73, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> >Sent: Aug 19, 2014 1:04 PM >To: [hidden email] >Subject: [Elecraft] Changing the subject line > >Question: Does changing the subject line foul up those who read their >email as a threaded list? > >I don't, but I'm reluctant to change the subject when replying, even if >it is far afield of the current email content, for fear of just making >things harder for some [or many]. > >Answers direct if you wish to keep the list BW down, I'll post a single >summary. > >73, > >Fred K6DGW >- Northern California Contest Club >- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 >- www.cqp.org > >On 8/19/2014 10:40 AM, Josh wrote: >> A meaningful subject line would allow more efficient use of the delete key! >> >> Tnx & 73 >> Josh W6XU > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I'm a big fan of open-source software but, as a software
developer/supervisor with more than 30 years experience, I think it's worthwhile to know the big picture before messing with software that another developer wrote. Sometimes it's not obvious why a segment of code exists. And yes, I've rewritten others' software before, because it was easier to do that than to try to maintain it. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 8/19/2014 12:57 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Leaving the military in 1972, I supported my family in control system, > communications, and software engineering, mainly for the military. In > due time I started leading more than one project at a time. Since the > open-source discussion came up on the list, I've combed my memory of > all those projects past. So far, I cannot come up with a single > programmer [later "software engineer"] who, at least once, did *not* > come to me and say, "The code's a mess, best thing to do is rewrite > all of it." > > I'll let everyone know if I remember one. :-)) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 > - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
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I agree with Don, for the reason that open source often leads to
chaos and non-standardization: eg Linux in all its flavors. I think Elecraft is wise to keep sw development "in house". So a suggestion that would be a compromise would be a small programmer pool (vetted experts) that could summit sw solutions to many of the "wants". That might save the staff some time or provide a wider variety of code to chose from. But sw (firmware) should stay under the Elecraft control and approval. I, like Don, am a sw user. I am not interested in "doing sw". I have other interests that I want to focus on. Any9one remember the sw chaos in the early days of packet? Finally a standard was developed. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the efforts of the computer savy and sw wizards. I just don't have time to be one! ;-) 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11 Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have used several open-source programs on my PC. I am a user, not a programmer, so I have a different perspective. The "support" is through forums, and if you are not sufficiently skilled in "geek speak", there is danger that you will be flamed for asking a question, or you may receive an answer that is so thoroughly steeped in "geek speak" that it is useless for you. Been there done that. Besides you have to constantly monitor the forum to see if anyone has provided an answer to your question. If a user has a problem with an Elecraft product and contacts Elecraft support, you can expect to discuss your situation with someone who is both responsive and knowledgeable and will work with you to resolve the issue or present it to engineering. I highly suspect that would not be the case if the firmware were open-source. Open-source is 'nice' for programmers who want to implement their pet additions, but for the majority of users, open-source is not the way to go IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 11
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> ...On 8/19/2014 1:02 AM, Andrew White wrote: > >> With enough eye balls looking at the code all bugs are shallow.... >> > ============ Everybody who reads the news knows that the most serious Internet security bug of all time, the "Heartbeat bug," was in a piece of open-source software that had been used for a decade, and looked at and used by thousands of Web developers. The users that weren't affected were those heavy-duty software companies who developed their own in-house security layers, and kept the code to themselves. Many software developers have found that it is to their economic advantage to make at least part of their code open-source, and many others have found it to their advantage to make their code proprietary. The choice depends on the developer's marketing plan, the target audience, and the other surrounding economic conditions. In Elecraft's case, making any code open-source makes zero sense, economic or otherwise. The quality of any code is determined by the skill of those working on it, not by whether you can find it on Github. Tony KT0NY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I've gotten several replies to the question, and based on the answers
they're from people who know. I promised to post the answer: Yes. Depending on the email client [and possibly how the user has it set up to thread emails], changing the subject line *could* do something like start a new thread, especially if the email header block is changed. OTOH, if the content of the email has drifted far enough from the subject that changing the subject makes sense, by all means do. A string of threaded emails where the subject says nothing about the content isn't real useful. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org > Fred Jensen said the following at 08/19/2014 02:04 PM : >> Question: Does changing the subject line foul up those who read their >> email as a threaded list? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
KX3 2M Transverter install - works but.. weird behaivior.
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Question for Wayne and those KX3 gurus who have installed the 2M module:
Installation and setup seemed to go well, however I did have the 44.000/22.000 display issue that has been previously described. It was cured using the suggestion from the list here. After an hour of tuning around and sporadically trying to get the local repeater to come up, a problem started. Unit seemed to transmit OK on all bands and all modes. PROBLEM: The HI CUR warning started to come on 3 - 5 minutes after the rig has been turned on and is RECEIVING fine then the rig beeps 3 times and turns itself off. PLEASE NOTE: This only happens in RECEIVE - all bands and modes including 2M. The rig will tune and transmit. Observations: Volume is set at about 5 Current is at 0.212 at V0 goes to about 0.230 A with the volume at 12 or so. Voltage is at 13.7 and rock solid PA.I reads 27C OSC reads 32C The heatsink area at back of the frame is cool to lukewarm. The SUB indicator was flashing, but turning off the SUB does not change the self shutdown behavior. What is it that is done during the KX3-2M installation that could have triggered this? Is it something I could have accidentally tweaked in the settings or is this going to trigger a visit to back to Elecraft? Thanks, Jack - KD4IZ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: KX3 2M Transverter install - works but.. weird behaivior.
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I've never heard of this happening before, Jack. I'd suggest uninstalling the 2-meter module to see if that is causing the problem. If so, my guess would be a damaged connector pin or component.
Wayne N6KR On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Jack Spitznagel <[hidden email]> wrote: > PROBLEM: The HI CUR warning started to come on 3 - 5 minutes after the rig has been turned on and is RECEIVING fine then the rig beeps 3 times and turns itself off. > > PLEASE NOTE: This only happens in RECEIVE - all bands and modes including 2M. The rig will tune and transmit. > > Observations: > > Volume is set at about 5 > Current is at 0.212 at V0 goes to about 0.230 A with the volume at 12 or so. > Voltage is at 13.7 and rock solid > PA.I reads 27C > OSC reads 32C > The heatsink area at back of the frame is cool to lukewarm. > The SUB indicator was flashing, but turning off the SUB does not change the self shutdown behavior. > > What is it that is done during the KX3-2M installation that could have triggered this? Is it something I could have accidentally tweaked in the settings or is this going to trigger a visit to back to Elecraft? > Thanks, > > Jack - KD4IZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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You must have seen this Dilbert cartoon Fred!
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-08-12/ 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 19 Aug 2014, at 20:57, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Leaving the military in 1972, I supported my family in control system, communications, and software engineering, mainly for the military. In due time I started leading more than one project at a time. Since the open-source discussion came up on the list, I've combed my memory of all those projects past. So far, I cannot come up with a single programmer [later "software engineer"] who, at least once, did *not* come to me and say, "The code's a mess, best thing to do is rewrite all of it." > > I'll let everyone know if I remember one. :-)) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 > - www.cqp.org > >> On 8/19/2014 1:02 AM, Andrew White wrote: >> >> With enough eye balls looking at the code all bugs are shallow. I think >> Elecraft could benefit from an extra 100 pair of eyes looking at the >> problems at no cost contributing an average of 100 hours a week at it. >> Could you imagine what kind of quagmire that could result in? A better >> product no less! > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Some lists use a system I recommend, which is to modify the subject line but include the former subject.
Example: Subject: [Elecraft] Best Listserv Practices (was: Changing the subject line) And with respect to changing subject lines, I sure appreciate people doing that when replying to an item from a Digest. There’s no subject line less useful than something like this: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 124, Issue 10 73, Lew N6LEW On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote: > I've gotten several replies to the question, and based on the answers they're from people who know. I promised to post the answer: > > Yes. Depending on the email client [and possibly how the user has it set up to thread emails], changing the subject line *could* do something like start a new thread, especially if the email header block is changed. OTOH, if the content of the email has drifted far enough from the subject that changing the subject makes sense, by all means do. A string of threaded emails where the subject says nothing about the content isn't real useful. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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