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Avoid Royal Caribbean!!! On my last cruise I asked the Captain why Ham Radio was prohibited - he had no idea what Ham Radio was ... Bob, W3RW > On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:19 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > [hidden email] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [hidden email] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [hidden email] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 (NOEL POULIN) > 2. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) > 3. Re: Cruise Lines (jeff griffin) > 4. Re: Cruise Lines (David Bunte) > 5. Re: Cruise Lines (John Oppenheimer) > 6. Re: Cruise Lines (Jose P Douglas) > 7. Re: Cruise Lines (Daniel Solano G?mez) > 8. Re: Cruise Lines (Kevin Cozens) > 9. Re: Cruise Lines (Rich) > 10. Re: Cruise Lines (N4ZR) > 11. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Keith N6JPA) > 12. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Rose) > 13. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED) > 14. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj) > 15. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Jim Rhodes) > 16. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Bob McGraw K4TAX) > 17. Re: Cruise Lines (Fred Jensen) > 18. Re: Cruise Lines (Rick Tavan) > 19. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin) > 20. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj) > 21. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Joe Subich, W4TV) > 22. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin) > 23. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Tom Redfern) > 24. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400 > From: NOEL POULIN <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello, > > I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new > MICROKEYER3...before buying one.. > > I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits > audio? processing chain..etc... > > Thanks > > Noel? ve2ryy/fww > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400 > From: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> > To: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... > > I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... > > Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. > > Keeping Watch- > shu KE8KJZ > > Joe Shuman > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400 > From: "jeff griffin" <[hidden email]> > To: "'Joseph Shuman'" <[hidden email]> > Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any issues from the ships officers. > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via Elecraft > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM > To: Elecraft Mail Server > Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > > Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... > > I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... > > Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. > > Keeping Watch- > shu KE8KJZ > > Joe Shuman > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400 > From: David Bunte <[hidden email]> > To: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> > Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: > <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Joe - > > A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on > a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the > Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each > evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40 > CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America > and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he > clamped to a deck railing to get on the air. > > I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my > guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to > keep trying. > > 73 de Dave - K9FN > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >> our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500 > From: John Oppenheimer <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Joe, > > Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation: > https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf > > KX3 on Carnival: https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/ > > John KN5L > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400 > From: Jose P Douglas <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if > you want to operate on one of the stops??? > > I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the > radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and > not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham. > > I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming > with me... > > 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD > > >> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500 > From: Daniel Solano G?mez <[hidden email]> > To: Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello, Joe, > > Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky. I talked to someone a couple of weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it clear it is not straightforward. I think the ARRL has a decent page on operting on international waters at <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>. > > In particular, they talk about: > > * You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on board, regardless of whether you operate on board > > * Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board > > * Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial waters you happen to be in > > * If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the country to which the ship is registered. So, if it is a U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual. Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the ship is registered. > > > So, it?s not simple. Say you had permission from the cruise line and captain to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama. While in U.S. territorial waters, U.S. rules apply. When you enter international waters, Panama rules apply. When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. Mexico, Jamaica, those rules apply. > > Best wishes! > > 73, > > Daniel, AG5UT > >> On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400 > From: Kevin Cozens <[hidden email]> > To: K2 <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? > > That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving > only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause > a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something > very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment. > > Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise > (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its > first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on > the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was > ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no > one ever said anything about it. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that > https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and > | that's why we're powerful" > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | > #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400 > From: Rich <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited > articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio > equipment as prohibited. > > Rich > > K3RWN > >> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400 > From: N4ZR <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^) > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network > at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now > spotting RTTY activity worldwide. > For spots, please use your favorite > "retail" DX cluster. > >> On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: >>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? >> >> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between >> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave >> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would >> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the >> navigation equipment. >> >> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a >> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave >> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long >> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never >> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in >> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700 > From: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> > > All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600 > From: Rose <[hidden email]> > To: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: > <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Good news! Yahoo Groups is awful! > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> < >> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200 > From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <[hidden email]> > To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello Keith, > > >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. > > Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to > exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join." > > > 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! > www.qrp4fun.de - [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400 > From: W2xj <[hidden email]> > To: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500 > From: Jim Rhodes <[hidden email]> > To: W2xj <[hidden email]> > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: > <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a > factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check > boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP > and never went back to Yahoo. For anything. > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have >> to learn how to use real email. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> ?< >> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500 > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link: > > https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3 > > > Group Description > > For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share > information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that > operate them. > > When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so > that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a > spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box > will do fine. > > > Group Information > > * 3,156 Members > * 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15 > * Started on05/04/07 > > > Group Settings > > * All subscribers can post to the group. > * Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators. > * Posts from new users require approval from the moderators. > * Messages are set to reply to group. > * Subscriptions to this group do not require approval from the moderators. > * Archives are visible to anyone. > * Wiki is visible to subscribers only. > * Members can edit their messages. > * Members can set their subscriptions to no email. > > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > >> On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700 > From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on > Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 > days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the > Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to > Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications > of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as > any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, > you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, > communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and > blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things > as we may think of." > > On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain > actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After > settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more > resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a > radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very > young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered > his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch > paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while > at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He > willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged > a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA. > > Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the > boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North > America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very > weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to > radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and > error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded > knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a > pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since > I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in > my shoulder. > > Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was > Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you > have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? > I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700 > From: Rick Tavan <[hidden email]> > To: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> > Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: > <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio. > FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of > authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and > received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward > who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that > I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people > and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher > authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No > idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an > hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did > better on land from FO. > > Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do. > I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear. > > /Rick N6XI > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >> our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > -- > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee and Saratoga, CA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000 > From: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: > <[hidden email]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" > > Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. > > I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. > > Andy, k3wyc > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400 > From: W2xj <[hidden email]> > To: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> > Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400 > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers > learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a > searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest > without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. > > Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems > with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all". The > web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety > of security and privacy issues that do not exist in a well controlled > text only e-mail system. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000 > From: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> > To: W2xj <[hidden email]> > Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: > <[hidden email]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"? > > Andy, k3wyc > > > ________________________________ > From: W2xj <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM > To: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> > Cc: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > > gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700 > From: Tom Redfern <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well. > No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went > down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off. > > I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the > way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has > nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-) > > -- Tom W7EZT > >> On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400 > From: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Lots of great info, thanks. I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print. Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans. > > It?s a small world after all... > > Keeping Watch- > shu > > Joe Shuman > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 13 > ***************************************** Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I'll just throw in my 2 bits. I'd check with the captain in writing even if the owner or booking outfit says yes. Just make sure it's cleared with him. When a ship leaves the shore, the captain is god and can shut anything down if he thinks it matters. Let him know what your want to do just so there are no surprises and that he doesn't have an objection to armature radio. I have no suggestion on tact in such a conversation. I'm amazed a Captain didn't know what ham radio is. He probably just didn't know it by the name. They tend to he a very well rounded and smart crowd. I've been around a few in my life. The captain and the engineer are usually about the most interesting folks on board any boat. On 10/16/19 5:32 PM, Bob Witmer wrote: > Avoid Royal Caribbean!!! > > On my last cruise I asked the Captain why Ham Radio was prohibited - he had no idea what Ham Radio was ... > > Bob, W3RW > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:19 PM, [hidden email] wrote: >> >> Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to >> [hidden email] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [hidden email] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [hidden email] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 (NOEL POULIN) >> 2. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) >> 3. Re: Cruise Lines (jeff griffin) >> 4. Re: Cruise Lines (David Bunte) >> 5. Re: Cruise Lines (John Oppenheimer) >> 6. Re: Cruise Lines (Jose P Douglas) >> 7. Re: Cruise Lines (Daniel Solano G?mez) >> 8. Re: Cruise Lines (Kevin Cozens) >> 9. Re: Cruise Lines (Rich) >> 10. Re: Cruise Lines (N4ZR) >> 11. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Keith N6JPA) >> 12. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Rose) >> 13. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED) >> 14. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj) >> 15. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Jim Rhodes) >> 16. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Bob McGraw K4TAX) >> 17. Re: Cruise Lines (Fred Jensen) >> 18. Re: Cruise Lines (Rick Tavan) >> 19. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin) >> 20. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj) >> 21. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Joe Subich, W4TV) >> 22. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin) >> 23. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Tom Redfern) >> 24. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400 >> From: NOEL POULIN <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hello, >> >> I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new >> MICROKEYER3...before buying one.. >> >> I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits >> audio? processing chain..etc... >> >> Thanks >> >> Noel? ve2ryy/fww >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400 >> From: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> >> To: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400 >> From: "jeff griffin" <[hidden email]> >> To: "'Joseph Shuman'" <[hidden email]> >> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any issues from the ships officers. >> >> 73 Jeff kb2m >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via Elecraft >> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM >> To: Elecraft Mail Server >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400 >> From: David Bunte <[hidden email]> >> To: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> >> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Joe - >> >> A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on >> a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the >> Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each >> evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40 >> CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America >> and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he >> clamped to a deck railing to get on the air. >> >> I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my >> guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to >> keep trying. >> >> 73 de Dave - K9FN >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < >>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500 >> From: John Oppenheimer <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation: >> https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf >> >> KX3 on Carnival: https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/ >> >> John KN5L >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400 >> From: Jose P Douglas <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if >> you want to operate on one of the stops??? >> >> I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the >> radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and >> not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham. >> >> I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming >> with me... >> >> 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD >> >> >>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500 >> From: Daniel Solano G?mez <[hidden email]> >> To: Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hello, Joe, >> >> Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky. I talked to someone a couple of weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it clear it is not straightforward. I think the ARRL has a decent page on operting on international waters at <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>. >> >> In particular, they talk about: >> >> * You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on board, regardless of whether you operate on board >> >> * Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board >> >> * Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial waters you happen to be in >> >> * If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the country to which the ship is registered. So, if it is a U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual. Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the ship is registered. >> >> >> So, it?s not simple. Say you had permission from the cruise line and captain to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama. While in U.S. territorial waters, U.S. rules apply. When you enter international waters, Panama rules apply. When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. Mexico, Jamaica, those rules apply. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> 73, >> >> Daniel, AG5UT >> >>> On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400 >> From: Kevin Cozens <[hidden email]> >> To: K2 <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? >> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving >> only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause >> a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something >> very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment. >> >> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise >> (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its >> first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on >> the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was >> ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no >> one ever said anything about it. >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Kevin. >> >> http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that >> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and >> | that's why we're powerful" >> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | >> #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400 >> From: Rich <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited >> articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio >> equipment as prohibited. >> >> Rich >> >> K3RWN >> >>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400 >> From: N4ZR <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^) >> >> 73, Pete N4ZR >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network >> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now >> spotting RTTY activity worldwide. >> For spots, please use your favorite >> "retail" DX cluster. >> >>> On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: >>>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >>>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >>>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? >>> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between >>> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave >>> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would >>> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the >>> navigation equipment. >>> >>> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a >>> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave >>> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long >>> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never >>> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in >>> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it. >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700 >> From: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600 >> From: Rose <[hidden email]> >> To: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Good news! Yahoo Groups is awful! >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> < >>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200 >> From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <[hidden email]> >> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hello Keith, >> >> >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to >> exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join." >> >> >> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! >> www.qrp4fun.de - [hidden email] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400 >> From: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> To: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> >> Cc: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500 >> From: Jim Rhodes <[hidden email]> >> To: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> Cc: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a >> factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check >> boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP >> and never went back to Yahoo. For anything. >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have >>> to learn how to use real email. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> ?< >>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>>> >>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500 >> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link: >> >> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3 >> >> >> Group Description >> >> For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share >> information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that >> operate them. >> >> When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so >> that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a >> spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box >> will do fine. >> >> >> Group Information >> >> * 3,156 Members >> * 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15 >> * Started on05/04/07 >> >> >> Group Settings >> >> * All subscribers can post to the group. >> * Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators. >> * Posts from new users require approval from the moderators. >> * Messages are set to reply to group. >> * Subscriptions to this group do not require approval from the moderators. >> * Archives are visible to anyone. >> * Wiki is visible to subscribers only. >> * Members can edit their messages. >> * Members can set their subscriptions to no email. >> >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >>> On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700 >> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on >> Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 >> days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the >> Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to >> Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications >> of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as >> any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, >> you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, >> communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and >> blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things >> as we may think of." >> >> On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain >> actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After >> settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more >> resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a >> radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very >> young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered >> his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch >> paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while >> at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He >> willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged >> a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA. >> >> Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the >> boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North >> America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very >> weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to >> radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and >> error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded >> knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a >> pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since >> I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in >> my shoulder. >> >> Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was >> Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you >> have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? >> I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV >> >> 73, >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >>> On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700 >> From: Rick Tavan <[hidden email]> >> To: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> >> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: >> <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio. >> FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of >> authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and >> received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward >> who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that >> I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people >> and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher >> authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No >> idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an >> hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did >> better on land from FO. >> >> Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do. >> I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear. >> >> /Rick N6XI >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Rick Tavan >> Truckee and Saratoga, CA >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000 >> From: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> >> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400 >> From: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> To: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> >> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 21 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400 >> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers >> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a >> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest >> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems >> with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all". The >> web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety >> of security and privacy issues that do not exist in a well controlled >> text only e-mail system. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 22 >> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000 >> From: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> >> To: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"? >> >> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM >> To: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> >> Cc: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> >> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700 >> From: Tom Redfern <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well. >> No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went >> down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off. >> >> I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the >> way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has >> nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-) >> >> -- Tom W7EZT >> >>> On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 24 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400 >> From: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Lots of great info, thanks. I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print. Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans. >> >> It?s a small world after all... >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu >> >> Joe Shuman >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> You must be a subscriber to post. >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 13 >> ***************************************** > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I should mention too that the problems probably stem from concerns, justified or not, for all the navigation, control, and communication system on and off board. Like I said, if you find anyone who allows it, just make sure you check with the Captain so he knows. IF there is an issue, he'd be a likely to work with you and that won't create a problem for any future hams. On 10/16/19 5:32 PM, Bob Witmer wrote: > Avoid Royal Caribbean!!! > > On my last cruise I asked the Captain why Ham Radio was prohibited - he had no idea what Ham Radio was ... > > Bob, W3RW > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:19 PM, [hidden email] wrote: >> >> Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to >> [hidden email] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [hidden email] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [hidden email] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 (NOEL POULIN) >> 2. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) >> 3. Re: Cruise Lines (jeff griffin) >> 4. Re: Cruise Lines (David Bunte) >> 5. Re: Cruise Lines (John Oppenheimer) >> 6. Re: Cruise Lines (Jose P Douglas) >> 7. 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Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400 >> From: NOEL POULIN <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hello, >> >> I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new >> MICROKEYER3...before buying one.. >> >> I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits >> audio? processing chain..etc... >> >> Thanks >> >> Noel? ve2ryy/fww >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400 >> From: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> >> To: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400 >> From: "jeff griffin" <[hidden email]> >> To: "'Joseph Shuman'" <[hidden email]> >> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any issues from the ships officers. >> >> 73 Jeff kb2m >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via Elecraft >> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM >> To: Elecraft Mail Server >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400 >> From: David Bunte <[hidden email]> >> To: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> >> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Joe - >> >> A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on >> a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the >> Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each >> evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40 >> CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America >> and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he >> clamped to a deck railing to get on the air. >> >> I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my >> guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to >> keep trying. >> >> 73 de Dave - K9FN >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < >>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500 >> From: John Oppenheimer <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation: >> https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf >> >> KX3 on Carnival: https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/ >> >> John KN5L >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400 >> From: Jose P Douglas <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if >> you want to operate on one of the stops??? >> >> I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the >> radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and >> not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham. >> >> I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming >> with me... >> >> 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD >> >> >>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500 >> From: Daniel Solano G?mez <[hidden email]> >> To: Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hello, Joe, >> >> Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky. I talked to someone a couple of weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it clear it is not straightforward. I think the ARRL has a decent page on operting on international waters at <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>. >> >> In particular, they talk about: >> >> * You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on board, regardless of whether you operate on board >> >> * Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board >> >> * Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial waters you happen to be in >> >> * If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the country to which the ship is registered. So, if it is a U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual. Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the ship is registered. >> >> >> So, it?s not simple. Say you had permission from the cruise line and captain to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama. While in U.S. territorial waters, U.S. rules apply. When you enter international waters, Panama rules apply. When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. Mexico, Jamaica, those rules apply. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> 73, >> >> Daniel, AG5UT >> >>> On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400 >> From: Kevin Cozens <[hidden email]> >> To: K2 <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? >> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving >> only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause >> a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something >> very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment. >> >> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise >> (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its >> first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on >> the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was >> ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no >> one ever said anything about it. >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Kevin. >> >> http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that >> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and >> | that's why we're powerful" >> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | >> #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400 >> From: Rich <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited >> articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio >> equipment as prohibited. >> >> Rich >> >> K3RWN >> >>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400 >> From: N4ZR <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^) >> >> 73, Pete N4ZR >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network >> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now >> spotting RTTY activity worldwide. >> For spots, please use your favorite >> "retail" DX cluster. >> >>> On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: >>>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >>>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >>>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? >>> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between >>> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave >>> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would >>> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the >>> navigation equipment. >>> >>> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a >>> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave >>> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long >>> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never >>> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in >>> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it. >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700 >> From: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600 >> From: Rose <[hidden email]> >> To: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Good news! Yahoo Groups is awful! >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> < >>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200 >> From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <[hidden email]> >> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hello Keith, >> >> >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to >> exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join." >> >> >> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! >> www.qrp4fun.de - [hidden email] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400 >> From: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> To: Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> >> Cc: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500 >> From: Jim Rhodes <[hidden email]> >> To: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> Cc: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a >> factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check >> boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP >> and never went back to Yahoo. For anything. >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have >>> to learn how to use real email. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> ?< >>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>>> >>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500 >> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link: >> >> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3 >> >> >> Group Description >> >> For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share >> information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that >> operate them. >> >> When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so >> that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a >> spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box >> will do fine. >> >> >> Group Information >> >> * 3,156 Members >> * 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15 >> * Started on05/04/07 >> >> >> Group Settings >> >> * All subscribers can post to the group. >> * Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators. >> * Posts from new users require approval from the moderators. >> * Messages are set to reply to group. >> * Subscriptions to this group do not require approval from the moderators. >> * Archives are visible to anyone. >> * Wiki is visible to subscribers only. >> * Members can edit their messages. >> * Members can set their subscriptions to no email. >> >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >>> On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700 >> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on >> Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 >> days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the >> Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to >> Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications >> of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as >> any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, >> you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, >> communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and >> blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things >> as we may think of." >> >> On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain >> actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After >> settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more >> resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a >> radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very >> young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered >> his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch >> paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while >> at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He >> willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged >> a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA. >> >> Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the >> boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North >> America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very >> weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to >> radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and >> error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded >> knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a >> pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since >> I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in >> my shoulder. >> >> Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was >> Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you >> have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? >> I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV >> >> 73, >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >>> On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700 >> From: Rick Tavan <[hidden email]> >> To: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> >> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: >> <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio. >> FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of >> authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and >> received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward >> who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that >> I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people >> and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher >> authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No >> idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an >> hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did >> better on land from FO. >> >> Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do. >> I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear. >> >> /Rick N6XI >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Rick Tavan >> Truckee and Saratoga, CA >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000 >> From: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> >> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400 >> From: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> To: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> >> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 21 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400 >> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers >> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a >> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest >> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems >> with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all". The >> web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety >> of security and privacy issues that do not exist in a well controlled >> text only e-mail system. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 22 >> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000 >> From: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> >> To: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"? >> >> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: W2xj <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM >> To: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> >> Cc: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> >> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700 >> From: Tom Redfern <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well. >> No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went >> down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off. >> >> I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the >> way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has >> nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-) >> >> -- Tom W7EZT >> >>> On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 24 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400 >> From: Joseph Shuman <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Lots of great info, thanks. I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print. Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans. >> >> It?s a small world after all... >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu >> >> Joe Shuman >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> You must be a subscriber to post. >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 13 >> ***************************************** > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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