Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3

[Jim Danehy]

You learn at an EARLY AGE. Young kids learn to be multi language because of certain NEURONS. There are an abundance of them. Not used they die. Your ability to learn CW and LANGUAGES diminishes. You may disagree. So be it.
But missing NEURONS is critical. More difficult for adults to learn languages. Difficult for adults to learn CW.

Kids learn quicker and more effectively.
Neurons die when not used

W9VNE

The above is factual.

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>   1. Transceivers  vs operators (Jim Danehy)
>   2. Re: Transceivers vs operators (David Gilbert)
>   3. Re: Transceivers vs operators (Martin Sole)
>   4. KX2 storage temps (eric norris)
>   5. Re: KX2 storage temps (Tommy)
>   6. Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time (Eric Lanzl)
>   7. Turnbuckle Threads (Richard)
>   8. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
>   9. K3s SSB Filters Still Available (Doug Hensley)
>  10. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Mark Goldberg)
>  11. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
>  12. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  13. Re: Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time (Wes)
>  14. Fwd:  Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Richard)
>  15. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
>  16. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Don Wilhelm)
>  17. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All. another
>      suggestion. (David Christ)
>  18. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Barry)
>  19. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Josh Fiden)
>  20. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (rv6amark)
>  21. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (rv6amark)
>  22. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Mike Harris)
>  23. Re: Transceivers vs operators (Fred Jensen)
>  24. (OT) Ca Fires ([hidden email])
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 00:31:20 -0400
> From: Jim Danehy <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Transceivers  vs operators
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> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
> I have been operating for 67 years.
> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>
> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>
> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>
> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>
> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>
> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>
> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>
> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>
> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>
> It?s the operator ! !
>
> Jim
> W9VNE/VA3VNE
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:58:07 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
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> Aside from the bragging, much of what you said there is true ... but not
> all.? I used to do a lot of CW contesting with a TS-940SAT, and later
> with a 756Pro (first version).? No amount of experience, brain power, or
> riding the RF gain and attenuator could help me copy CW when really loud
> signals 10 or 15 KHz away were desensing the rig to oblivion.? I now
> have a K3 with narrow filters and I have several times run a frequency
> for a long time before realizing there was another 59+10 station just a
> few hundred Hz away ... and the only way I discovered that was when
> stations calling him did so enough off frequency that they hit my passband.
>
> Rigs make a difference, and by the way so do antennas.
>
> 73,
> Dave? AB7E
>
>
>> On 11/1/2019 9:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
>> I have been operating for 67 years.
>> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
>> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>>
>> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>>
>> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>>
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>>
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>>
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>>
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>>
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>>
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>>
>> It?s the operator ! !
>>
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:43:34 +0700
> From: Martin Sole <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> Snipping bits. Some good points.
>
>> On 02/11/2019 11:31, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
> I've pretty much come to detest FT-whatever for the apparent demise of,
> other what I consider more real modes :( I have to have a certain amount
> of faith though that sunspots will help. Even so ZD7 last night on 15
> for a new one so it's not all bad prop, unfortunately a phoney (SSB)
> contact.
>
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
> Some personal shame here. I can pretty much contest and work dx, but
> proper cw contacts still scare the bejesus out of me. I refuse to give
> in though, I'm working up to calling CQ more as well, got to be active.
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
> I disagree, time, training, commitment and focus do help. That said I
> lack all of these it seems ;)
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
> At almost 60 I doubt I'll achieve those lofty heights but giving up is
> not an option either.
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>>
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>>
>> It?s the operator ! !
>>
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:04:02 +0000 (UTC)
> From: eric norris <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
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> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not operating--a KX2, with batteries?? 32F?? 20F?? 10F?? I can't find the answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:13:21 -0400
> From: Tommy <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
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> Eric,
>
> ?? Batteries do NOT like cold or excessive heat so I wouldn't store the
> battery in either conditions.
>
> 73!
>
> Tom - KB2SMS
>
>
>> On 11/2/19 8:04 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not operating--a KX2, with batteries?? 32F?? 20F?? 10F?? I can't find the answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
>> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:30:44 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Eric Lanzl <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft List <[hidden email]>,    Jim White NC0JW
>    <[hidden email]>,    Albert Winger <[hidden email]>, N6jw
>    <[hidden email]>,    K1nw <[hidden email]>, Rodger Williamson
>    <[hidden email]>,    Steve Hall <[hidden email]>, Carl Yaffey
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> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time
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> Just a reminder that with the time changing to standard time the Elecraft SSB net will take place one hour earlier. The time of the net is still 1800Z. Please join us for the net on Sunday.
>
> Eric WB9JNZ
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:16:24 -0400
> From: Richard <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
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> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:26:15 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
> To: Richard <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
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> I would not use stainless.
>
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
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>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:51:33 +0000
> From: Doug Hensley <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3s SSB Filters Still Available
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> Still have 4 Sale:
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> A matched pair of 2.7 kHZ K3S SSB filters;
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> $160 ($80 ea).  Shipping is cheap.
>
> QSL: W5JV privately please.
>
> Doug W5JV
> K1, K2, K3S
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> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great boat-anchor items.  Looking for something special?  Ask us.
> Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 Crystal in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 07:56:14 -0700
> From: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
> To: Richard <[hidden email]>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
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> Richard:
>
> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
> hardware, even in Aluminum.
> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
> temperature extremes?
> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
> not a big issue.
>
> John:
>
> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
> load?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I would not use stainless.
>>
>>
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:59:48 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
> To: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Richard:
>>
>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>> temperature extremes?
>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>> not a big issue.
>>
>> John:
>>
>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>> load?
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:09:01 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their
> knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.
>
> Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower
> hardware, use and installation.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>> On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.
>>
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard:
>>>
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>>> temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>>> not a big issue.
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>>> load?
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:14:08 -0700
> From: Wes <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard
>    time
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> If it's still at 1800Z, then it didn't change.? "Standard" time should not be
> used in ham radio.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
>> On 11/2/2019 5:30 AM, Eric Lanzl wrote:
>> Just a reminder that with the time changing to standard time the Elecraft SSB net will take place one hour earlier. The time of the net is still 1800Z. Please join us for the net on Sunday.
>>
>> Eric WB9JNZ
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:28:18 -0400
> From: Richard <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
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>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Richard <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>> To: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>
>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>
>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>
>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>
>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>
>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard:
>>>
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:43:10 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
> To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>
> Oops?I meant galvanized.  Just not stainless.
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.  I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.
>>
>> Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower hardware, use and installation.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>>> On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard:
>>>>
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>>>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>>>> temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>>>> not a big issue.
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>>>> load?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:50:09 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> To: Richard <[hidden email]>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
>    All
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> Richard,
>
> I would go with the Farm Equipment folks on this.  Many parts of farm
> equipment are actually turnbuckles of one style or another and some of
> that equipment is left in the open air. The grease coating prevents
> moisture intrusion and potential seizing no matter what the material
> type may be.
> In the case of turnbuckles, make certain you are using a "stay wire" to
> prevent unwanted movement.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 11/2/2019 11:28 AM, Richard wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Richard <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>>
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>>
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>>
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>>
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:54:08 -0500
> From: David Christ <[hidden email]>
> To: Richard <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
>    All. another suggestion.
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> Here is another for you.  Background.  In order to be able to take them on airplanes tandem bicycles are often made with stainless steel couplers than can be unscrewed to take the frame apart.  Adding the couplers to a tandem add between $1000 and $2000  to an already multi thousand dollar bicycle.  Stainless steel is prone to galling and having a coupler seize makes the bicycle unridable and results in a very expensive repair.  
>
> The manufacturer of these couplers has put a lot of effort into finding lubrication that best prevents galling.  After testing over 100 products they recommend using Finish Line? Extreme Fluoro Grease. The attached link explains their findings.
>
> <http://www.sandsmachine.com/grease_t.htm>
>
> When you look at the kind of things they design and manufacture you get the feeling they know what they are talking about
>
> <http://www.sandsmachine.com/s_about.htm>
>
> Disclosure: I and many friends have bicycles with their couplers but have no financial interest in the business or the lubricant.
>
> David K0LUM
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Richard <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>>
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>>
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>>
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>>
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard:
>>>>
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>>
>>>
>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:57:27 +0000
> From: Barry <[hidden email]>
> To: Richard <[hidden email]>,    "Elecraft Reflector"
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
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> Richard,
>     I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on
> my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go
> on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is
> as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water
> really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your
> stainless be marine grade.
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Richard" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: 11/2/2019 10:16:24 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
>
>> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:47:06 -0700
> From: Josh Fiden <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
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> I use Permatex anti-seize, same as west marine sells. I?ve only used ss turnbuckles for truss cables & anything I want to look pretty (architectural). Never a problem when threads are coated. Tower guys always galvanized. SS is a PITA with galling. I suppose if you?re in a real corrosive environment it would make sense.
>
> 73
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>   I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your stainless be marine grade.
>>
>> 73,
>> Barry
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:50:58 -0700
> From: rv6amark <[hidden email]>
> To: John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>, Bob McGraw K4TAX
>    <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
> Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly!? The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y."? Run away from anyone who says it.? There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product.? Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about.??In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue:??"Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark,??KE6BB??
> null
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:50:58 -0700
> From: rv6amark <[hidden email]>
> To: John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>, Bob McGraw K4TAX
>    <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly!? The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y."? Run away from anyone who says it.? There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product.? Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about.??In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue:??"Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark,??KE6BB??
> null
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 16:12:04 -0300
> From: Mike Harris <[hidden email]>
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
>    All
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> Just remember to wire the turnbuckle after tensioning otherwise a nice
> free turning item will tend to unwind.
>
> There are web sites that illustrate various options.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
>> On 02/11/2019 12:28, Richard wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Richard <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>>
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>>
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>>
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>>
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard:
>>>>
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:18:07 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
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> "Your mileage may vary" and in my case it does and I respectfully
> disagree.? A number of years ago, I had inherited a completely stock
> Hallicrafters SX-28 [with the big bass reflex speaker] from an SK estate
> and decided to do a CW NAQP a la mid 50's when I was a teenager and new
> ham.? It was to be an SOSB entry, I had one ARC-5 left in the basement
> on 40.? Caps were a little dry in the power supply but took the
> reforming moderately well.? It was ungodly hard, my rate was maybe 5/hr
> and I packed it in after a couple of hours.? Skill matters, but so does
> the rig ... a lot! [:-)
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> KN6DGW 1953, K6DGW 5 months later, Extra in 56 after I had the required
> 2 yr on-air service.
>
>> On 11/1/2019 9:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
>> I have been operating for 67 years.
>> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
>> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>>
>> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>>
>> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>>
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>>
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>>
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>>
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>>
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>>
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>>
>> It?s the operator ! !
>>
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC)
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>
> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
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I take solace in the fact that I still have enough neurons to remember how to open a fine bottle of a very hoppy IPA. Guess I’ve used those a lot  :-)

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> You learn at an EARLY AGE. Young kids learn to be multi language because of certain NEURONS. There are an abundance of them. Not used they die.
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Interesting your comment about neurons and learning language.  I have done
well with languages but am now having a very hard time with Welsh.

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> to open a fine bottle of a very hoppy IPA. Guess I’ve used those a lot  :-)
>
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Any persistent lubrication.

"Copper slip" graphite grease, whatever.  Stainless is not ideal in an
outside situation where dirt can over time get into the threads, that
then result in the metal "galling" (partial seizing/self welding) when
you try to move it.

Regular BZP or Galvanised types would be stronger and last longer with
less chance of seizing up, but I'd also use "Copper Slip" or a smear of
graphite loaded grease on them too.   Even plain un-plated steel types
will last OK with such pre-treatment and annual maintenance treatment.

73.

Dave G0WBX


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> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
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> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard Kunc - W4KBX

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