Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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Joe,
I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an easy firmware change. 73, Wayne N6KR > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force > > CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally > > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to > > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. --- http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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As long as it does NOT force VOX to ON when NOT in SSB Mode but in CW Mode
with CONFIG::CW WGHT set to SSB+CW. If it did, you would always have to enter the "TEST" mode to key CW without RF being produced. Additionally, perhaps we should have a menu choice in terms of invoking forcing CW VOX to ON when in SSB with CW WGHT set to SSB+CW. Folks with QSK amps might just like it the way it is. --Don N4HH -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of wayne burdick Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:34 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX? Joe, I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an easy firmware change. 73, Wayne N6KR > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force > > CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally > > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to > > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. --- http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.1.0/1492 - Release Date: 6/9/2008 10:29 AM _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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G'day,
I don't figure this. In version 1.96 CW in SSB mode, CW happens (with RF) irrespective of whether true CW mode is PTT or VOX. At least on #345 it does. Regards, Mike VP8NO ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX? | Joe, | | I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an easy | firmware change. | | 73, | Wayne | N6KR | | > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: | > | > > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force | > > CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally | > > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to | > > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. | | | --- | | http://www.elecraft.com | | _______________________________________________ | Elecraft mailing list | Post to: [hidden email] | You must be a subscriber to post to the list. | Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): | http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft | | Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm | Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 07/06/2008 11:17 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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--- Mike Harris <[hidden email]> wrote: > G'day, > > I don't figure this. In version 1.96 CW in SSB > mode, CW happens (with RF) > irrespective of whether true CW mode is PTT or VOX. > At least on #345 it > does. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > in the possession of UPS, but my TS-850SAT has a VOX switch which if in the MAN position will allow me to key the sidetone without keying the RF output. I find this useful when I want to tune a key, practice sending with a new key or send a little code for local training or whatever. I can key the transmitter by stepping on the foot switch, selecting send with a push button or holding the PTT switch on the microphone. I would like to be able to do something similar with the K3. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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In reply to this post by Mike Harris-9
> In version 1.96 CW in SSB mode, CW happens (with RF) > irrespective of whether true CW mode is PTT or VOX. OK - I missed that one. 2.02 also seems to produce RF (CW in SSB) whether the true CW mode is PTT or VOX. The unexpected item is that it does so with full QSK (no "hang") if CW VOX is off. Wayne, I guess the suggestion should not have been to force CW VOX (which is already being done) but to respect the QSK setting <G>. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike Harris > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:16 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector; wayne burdick > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX? > > > G'day, > > I don't figure this. In version 1.96 CW in SSB mode, CW > happens (with RF) > irrespective of whether true CW mode is PTT or VOX. At least > on #345 it > does. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> > To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:34 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX? > > > | Joe, > | > | I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an > | easy firmware change. > | > | 73, > | Wayne > | N6KR > | > | > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > | > > | > > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is > to force CW > | > > VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally > | > > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to > | > > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. > | > | > | --- > | > | http://www.elecraft.com > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Elecraft mailing list > | Post to: [hidden email] > | You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > | Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > | http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > | > | Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > | Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release > Date: 07/06/2008 > 11:17 > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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In reply to this post by wayne burdick
You want to send CW while on SSB .....
Go to the CW mode Turn on VOX. Using an amp? Turn off QSK Set the CW Delay (VOX delay, CW hang time, whatever you want to call it) Go to the SSB mode and send CW using the CW settings. Talk into the mic via VOX or PTT and use the SSB settings for delays. 73 Hank K8DD -- 'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.' -anon -- ----- Original Message ---- From: wayne burdick <[hidden email]> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 12:34:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX? Joe, I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an easy firmware change. 73, Wayne N6KR > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force > > CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally > > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to > > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. --- http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force >> > CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally >> > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to >> > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. >Joe, > >I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an easy >firmware change. > Hopefully you'll also be able to fix the problem that the foot-switch suppresses CW output. Then while you have the covers off, Wayne... At present the K3 is only supporting one part of the auto-CW scenario, where the K3 user needs to transmit CW but can still copy the other station on SSB. The second part is when fading forces both operators into using weak-signal CW, so they will need the full facilities of CW mode. At present, selecting MODE=CW will cause the K3's transmitted signal to jump frequency. To allow the QSO to continue without anyone needing to re-tune, auto-CW (when enabled) should shift the VFO and display frequency by the K3's sidetone offset, whenever the mode is changed between SSB and CW. This is normal behavior in transceivers that fully support auto-CW. The requested change would not affect anyone who has not selected auto-CW. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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Wayne,
I can see a potential problem - - Consider that auto-CW will be used mostly by VHF operators, many of whom have sequencers that require longer time than the 20 ms available using the CONFIG: TX DLY menu before the onset of RF to make all the switchover. If TX INH is being used, then the onset of RF must be delayed until TX INH is no longer active. Also for this auto-CW situation to work properly, there must be a good way to begin the sequencer cycle - KeyOut (or at least KEYOUT-LP) may be the proper output, but the relative timing should be confirmed (TX INH should not prevent KEYOUT from going active). In this scenerio, the use of TX INH in this way might result in a clipped first code element, but I believe that would be more tolerable than a damaged preamp. Those VHF operators whose sequencers can complete in less than 20 ms. will not have the problem that I have mentioned, so they can operate auto-CW with just the portion of the changes you have proposed. 73, Don W3FPR wayne burdick wrote: > Joe, > > I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an > easy firmware change. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > >> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force >> > CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally >> > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to >> > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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If you want to key the sidetone without sending, put the K3 in test mode.
That works for me. Bruce-W8FU -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:30 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX? --- Mike Harris <[hidden email]> wrote: > G'day, > > I don't figure this. In version 1.96 CW in SSB > mode, CW happens (with RF) > irrespective of whether true CW mode is PTT or VOX. > At least on #345 it > does. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > in the possession of UPS, but my TS-850SAT has a VOX switch which if in the MAN position will allow me to key the sidetone without keying the RF output. I find this useful when I want to tune a key, practice sending with a new key or send a little code for local training or whatever. I can key the transmitter by stepping on the foot switch, selecting send with a push button or holding the PTT switch on the microphone. I would like to be able to do something similar with the K3. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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It's an elegant solution
-- When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world. -John Muir, naturalist, explorer, and writer (1838-1914) On 9 Jun 2008, at 17:34, wayne burdick wrote: > Joe, > > I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an > easy firmware change. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > >> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force >> > CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally >> > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to >> > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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Personally I would find this a very nice improvement even though I don't use the auto-CW feature. I often start tuning around in SSB or data mode, and finish up in the CW portion. As soon as I switch to CW mode I lose the signal and have to hunt for it again. Perhaps achieving this would not be as simple as it seems if the sideband used for CW is not the same as is being used for data or SSB. But it would be nice to eliminate that annoyance.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Re: Re: K3 CW-in-SSB mode: force CW VOX?
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Let me put as illustration partial cut&paste from TS-480 manual:
------------------ Menu Item 40. - FREQUENCY CORRECTION FOR CW - OFF/ON If you operate both SSB and CW modes, you would sometimes use SSB mode (USB or LSB) just to watch and listen to CW signals. It is fine just to monitor those CW signals but you have experienced that changing the mode from SSB to CW results in losing the target CW signal. This is because the frequency on the display always shows the true carrier frequency for all modes. If you want the transceiver to shift the reception frequency to trace the receiving CW signal when changing the mode from SSB (USB or LSB) to CW, switch this function ON. The transceiver shifts the reception frequency when changing the mode from SSB to CW, so you can still hear the target signal and instantly transmit the signal in CW without adjusting the frequency. and Menu Item 41. - AUTO CW TX IN SSB MODE - OFF/ON If you operate both SSB and CW modes, you can configure the transceiver to change the operating mode from SSB (USB or LSB) to CW and then transmit in CW mode automatically when you operate the CW keyers. Note: You must switch the CW Break-in function ON to change the mode and transmit in CW mode ---------------------------------- I suppose both examples are what we are talking about. Both of them are useful and applied on more rigs but the description in TS-490 manual is very illustrative IMHO. Hope it can clarify what is going on for those of us never need this. 73! Lexa, OK1DST K3/10 #727 Ian White GM3SEK napsal(a): > Wayne Burdick wrote: > >>> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> > They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force >>> > CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally >>> > prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to >>> > override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled. >> Joe, >> >> I'm OK with this if there are no serious objections to it. It's an >> easy firmware change. >> > > Hopefully you'll also be able to fix the problem that the foot-switch > suppresses CW output. > > Then while you have the covers off, Wayne... > > At present the K3 is only supporting one part of the auto-CW scenario, > where the K3 user needs to transmit CW but can still copy the other > station on SSB. The second part is when fading forces both operators > into using weak-signal CW, so they will need the full facilities of CW > mode. > > At present, selecting MODE=CW will cause the K3's transmitted signal to > jump frequency. To allow the QSO to continue without anyone needing to > re-tune, auto-CW (when enabled) should shift the VFO and display > frequency by the K3's sidetone offset, whenever the mode is changed > between SSB and CW. This is normal behavior in transceivers that fully > support auto-CW. > > The requested change would not affect anyone who has not selected auto-CW. > > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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