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wayne burdick

Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

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Dave,

I wanted to run a possible solution past you.

I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could detect
this case, and display a repeating message (something like: "KEYLINE IS
ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying or turn power
off.

Thoughts on this?

73,
Wayne
N6KR

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL wrote:

> I've got my K3 set up for cw on Field Day with a laptop usb
> port driving a usb to serial converter. Rig control and cw
> keying are done over the serial cable, using the K3's
> built-in ability to send cw from pin 4(?) of the rs-232
> cable.
>
> Everything works fine, but I got quite a scare when I turned
> on the K3 and it came up keyed-down 120 watts into no
> antenna. It seems that if the laptop is not running the
> logging program, rs-232 pin 4 can very well be in a key-down
> state.

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

Wayne,

Given the situation, reasons, and consequences, I believe something like
what you suggested would be the best solution. If you can extend the
time beyond 'the first couple of seconds' (enough time to change the
menu or power down), that would be helpful IMHO.

73,
Don W3FPR

wayne burdick wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
>
> I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
> first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could detect
> this case, and display a repeating message (something like: "KEYLINE IS
> ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying or turn power
> off.
>
> Thoughts on this?
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL wrote:
>
>> I've got my K3 set up for cw on Field Day with a laptop usb
>> port driving a usb to serial converter. Rig control and cw
>> keying are done over the serial cable, using the K3's
>> built-in ability to send cw from pin 4(?) of the rs-232
>> cable.
>>
>> Everything works fine, but I got quite a scare when I turned
>> on the K3 and it came up keyed-down 120 watts into no
>> antenna. It seems that if the laptop is not running the
>> logging program, rs-232 pin 4 can very well be in a key-down
>> state.
>
>
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Brett Howard

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Sounds like a smart addition to me. Protects people from transmitting
into something horrible on accident. Always puts a smile on your face
when software protects you from doing something stupid on accident.

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 19:51 -0700, wayne burdick wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
>
> I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
> first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could detect
> this case, and display a repeating message (something like: "KEYLINE IS
> ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying or turn power
> off.
>
> Thoughts on this?
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL wrote:
>
> > I've got my K3 set up for cw on Field Day with a laptop usb
> > port driving a usb to serial converter. Rig control and cw
> > keying are done over the serial cable, using the K3's
> > built-in ability to send cw from pin 4(?) of the rs-232
> > cable.
> >
> > Everything works fine, but I got quite a scare when I turned
> > on the K3 and it came up keyed-down 120 watts into no
> > antenna. It seems that if the laptop is not running the
> > logging program, rs-232 pin 4 can very well be in a key-down
> > state.
>
>
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wayne burdick

Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

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In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Don,

By "a few seconds" I meant that it would have to detect the condition
in that window, on power-up. But if it did detect key-down in this
window, it would remain in the TX-inhibit condition for as long as the
key-down persisted.

Wayne

On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> Given the situation, reasons, and consequences, I believe something
> like what you suggested would be the best solution. If you can extend
> the time beyond 'the first couple of seconds' (enough time to change
> the menu or power down), that would be helpful IMHO.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> wayne burdick wrote:
>> Dave,
>> I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
>> I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
>> first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could
>> detect this case, and display a repeating message (something like:
>> "KEYLINE IS ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying
>> or turn power off.
>> Thoughts on this?
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR

Tony Fegan VE3QF

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

Wayne/Don,

Maybe another solution could be to optionally (menu/config?) power up
in TX-inhibit (Test mode). Tx-inhibit could then be reset by hitting the
key/paddle, mic PTT or the TEST button.

73
Tony Fegan VE3QF

wayne burdick wrote:

> Don,
>
> By "a few seconds" I meant that it would have to detect the condition in
> that window, on power-up. But if it did detect key-down in this window,
> it would remain in the TX-inhibit condition for as long as the key-down
> persisted.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> Given the situation, reasons, and consequences, I believe something
>> like what you suggested would be the best solution. If you can extend
>> the time beyond 'the first couple of seconds' (enough time to change
>> the menu or power down), that would be helpful IMHO.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> wayne burdick wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>> I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
>>> I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
>>> first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could
>>> detect this case, and display a repeating message (something like:
>>> "KEYLINE IS ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying
>>> or turn power off.
>>> Thoughts on this?
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>

M0XDF

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

And this is why we love Elecraft - I can't see any other manufacture
responding positively with a solution, that's alone so quickly. Most
other manufactures would just say 'Caveat Emptor' - don't do it then!

Boy am I glad I bought my K3 :)
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
--
Patience serves as a protection against wrongs as clothes do against
cold.
For if you put on more clothes as the cold increases, it will have no
power to hurt you.
So in like manner you must grow in patience when you meet with great
wrongs,
and they will then be powerless to vex your mind.
-Leonardo da Vinci, painter, engineer, musician, and scientist
(1452-1519)

On 28 Jun 2008, at 06:26, wayne burdick wrote:

> Don,
>
> By "a few seconds" I meant that it would have to detect the
> condition in that window, on power-up. But if it did detect key-down
> in this window, it would remain in the TX-inhibit condition for as
> long as the key-down persisted.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> Given the situation, reasons, and consequences, I believe something
>> like what you suggested would be the best solution. If you can
>> extend the time beyond 'the first couple of seconds' (enough time
>> to change the menu or power down), that would be helpful IMHO.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> wayne burdick wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>> I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
>>> I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during
>>> the first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it
>>> could detect this case, and display a repeating message (something
>>> like: "KEYLINE IS ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of
>>> the keying or turn power off.
>>> Thoughts on this?
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR

Barry McWilliams

Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Wayne - good idea. But, only if PTT-KEY is set to enable PTT and/or keying.

Thanks, Barry (WK2S)
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John Gibson

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Wayne,

Instead of using an intial time delay, why not force the K3 to wait for a high-to-
low transistion on the key line before it first transmits?

73,
John, no8v

---- Original message ----

>Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:51:01 -0700
>From: wayne burdick <[hidden email]>
>Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]
>To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
>
>Dave,
>
>I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
>
>I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
>first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could detect
>this case, and display a repeating message (something like: "KEYLINE IS
>ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying or turn power
>off.
>
>Thoughts on this?
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
>
>Dave Hachadorian, K6LL wrote:
>
>> I've got my K3 set up for cw on Field Day with a laptop usb
>> port driving a usb to serial converter. Rig control and cw
>> keying are done over the serial cable, using the K3's
>> built-in ability to send cw from pin 4(?) of the rs-232
>> cable.
>>
>> Everything works fine, but I got quite a scare when I turned
>> on the K3 and it came up keyed-down 120 watts into no
>> antenna. It seems that if the laptop is not running the
>> logging program, rs-232 pin 4 can very well be in a key-down
>> state.
>
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

John,

I don't think that would work. The key line is not the only means of
keying the K3 - the 'KY' command for instance can be used, or the TUNE
button, or DTR or RTS keying.

73,
Don W3FPR

John H Gibson wrote:
> Wayne,
>
> Instead of using an intial time delay, why not force the K3 to wait for a high-to-
> low transistion on the key line before it first transmits?
>
> 73,
> John, no8v
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wayne burdick

Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

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In reply to this post by John Gibson

This is another way of describing what I'm proposing, John. If /KEY is
found asserted anytime during the 2-second power-on sequence, the K3
might show "ERR KEY" and prevent TX until the line as been released. If
re-asserted anytime after that, the message would go away by itself,
and TX would proceed normally.

I can catch premature /PTT assertion, too. So there would also be an
"ERR PTT" message. Same logic.

Sound OK?

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 28, 2008, at 6:58 AM, John H Gibson wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> Instead of using an intial time delay, why not force the K3 to wait
> for a high-to-
> low transistion on the key line before it first transmits?
>
> 73,
> John, no8v
>

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wayne burdick

Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

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In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Don,

The K3 could inhibit all methods of transmit that appear to be active
during the first 2 seconds of power-on, even the "KY" and "TX" commands
from a PC.

Don't forget that I control both the horizontal and the vertical :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> John,
>
> I don't think that would work. The key line is not the only means of
> keying the K3 - the 'KY' command for instance can be used, or the TUNE
> button, or DTR or RTS keying.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> John H Gibson wrote:
>> Wayne,
>> Instead of using an intial time delay, why not force the K3 to wait
>> for a high-to-
>> low transistion on the key line before it first transmits?
>> 73,
>> John, no8v
>
>

Joe Subich, W4TV-3

RE: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Wayne,

It is a good idea ... particularly if you get closures on any of the
inputs that would force transmit when first powering up. In particular,

you would want to look for PTT on mic, PTT/RCA, PTT/ACC, or RTS) and
CW inputs on DTR, key, left paddle or right paddle.

Yaesu does a similar thing in most of their recent radios. If the
PTT or Key is active at power up, the radio will not transmit until
the PTT/Key has first opened (reset). The only thing is that they
do not display an error message ...

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of wayne burdick
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:05 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]
>
>
> This is another way of describing what I'm proposing, John.
> If /KEY is
> found asserted anytime during the 2-second power-on sequence, the K3
> might show "ERR KEY" and prevent TX until the line as been
> released. If
> re-asserted anytime after that, the message would go away by itself,
> and TX would proceed normally.
>
> I can catch premature /PTT assertion, too. So there would also be an
> "ERR PTT" message. Same logic.
>
> Sound OK?
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Jun 28, 2008, at 6:58 AM, John H Gibson wrote:
>
> > Wayne,
> >
> > Instead of using an intial time delay, why not force the K3 to wait
> > for a high-to-
> > low transistion on the key line before it first transmits?
> >
> > 73,
> > John, no8v
> >
>
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Ed K1EP

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by Brett Howard

I think that it is a great idea. The line has to go non-active first
before it is allowed to key the radio.

At 6/28/2008 01:16 AM, Brett Howard wrote:

>Sounds like a smart addition to me. Protects people from transmitting
>into something horrible on accident. Always puts a smile on your face
>when software protects you from doing something stupid on accident.
>
>
>On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 19:51 -0700, wayne burdick wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
> >
> > I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
> > first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could detect
> > this case, and display a repeating message (something like: "KEYLINE IS
> > ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying or turn power
> > off.
> >
> > Thoughts on this?
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL wrote:
> >
> > > I've got my K3 set up for cw on Field Day with a laptop usb
> > > port driving a usb to serial converter. Rig control and cw
> > > keying are done over the serial cable, using the K3's
> > > built-in ability to send cw from pin 4(?) of the rs-232
> > > cable.
> > >
> > > Everything works fine, but I got quite a scare when I turned
> > > on the K3 and it came up keyed-down 120 watts into no
> > > antenna. It seems that if the laptop is not running the
> > > logging program, rs-232 pin 4 can very well be in a key-down
> > > state.
> >
> >
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Brett Howard

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

I thought of another feature to help fix the stupid user issue. How
about a lock that doesn't allow a band change. Such as a special way to
use the lock button that doesn't lock one out from QSYing but doesn't
allow them to move off of say 40 meters. We had a death to a band pass
filter cause some one turned their equipment over to a new ham on
another one of the stations and a feature that locks from going to
another band could have prevented that. Also would be useful for when
you don't have the tuner nor an external and your antenna is only good
on one band.

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 19:51 -0700, wayne burdick wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
>
> I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
> first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could detect
> this case, and display a repeating message (something like: "KEYLINE IS
> ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying or turn power
> off.
>
> Thoughts on this?
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL wrote:
>
> > I've got my K3 set up for cw on Field Day with a laptop usb
> > port driving a usb to serial converter. Rig control and cw
> > keying are done over the serial cable, using the K3's
> > built-in ability to send cw from pin 4(?) of the rs-232
> > cable.
> >
> > Everything works fine, but I got quite a scare when I turned
> > on the K3 and it came up keyed-down 120 watts into no
> > antenna. It seems that if the laptop is not running the
> > logging program, rs-232 pin 4 can very well be in a key-down
> > state.
>
>
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Jim Cox

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

The radio cant do everything for you. Why anyone would let a "stupid user"
operate their > 2K radio at a field day site is beyond me. Jim K4JAF

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From: "Brett Howard" <[hidden email]>
To: "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

>I thought of another feature to help fix the stupid user issue. How
> about a lock that doesn't allow a band change. Such as a special way to
> use the lock button that doesn't lock one out from QSYing but doesn't
> allow them to move off of say 40 meters. We had a death to a band pass
> filter cause some one turned their equipment over to a new ham on
> another one of the stations and a feature that locks from going to
> another band could have prevented that. Also would be useful for when
> you don't have the tuner nor an external and your antenna is only good
> on one band.
>
> On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 19:51 -0700, wayne burdick wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
>>
>> I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
>> first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could detect
>> this case, and display a repeating message (something like: "KEYLINE IS
>> ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying or turn power
>> off.
>>
>> Thoughts on this?
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL wrote:
>>
>> > I've got my K3 set up for cw on Field Day with a laptop usb
>> > port driving a usb to serial converter. Rig control and cw
>> > keying are done over the serial cable, using the K3's
>> > built-in ability to send cw from pin 4(?) of the rs-232
>> > cable.
>> >
>> > Everything works fine, but I got quite a scare when I turned
>> > on the K3 and it came up keyed-down 120 watts into no
>> > antenna. It seems that if the laptop is not running the
>> > logging program, rs-232 pin 4 can very well be in a key-down
>> > state.
>>
>>
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Brett Howard

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

These are the types of things that get new people interested in ham
radio! Sometimes you can't hang over their shoulder the ENTIRE time
especially when you get someone who is really enjoying things and wants
to operate for a while.

On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 07:42 -0500, Jim Cox wrote:

> The radio cant do everything for you. Why anyone would let a "stupid user"
> operate their > 2K radio at a field day site is beyond me. Jim K4JAF
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brett Howard" <[hidden email]>
> To: "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]
>
>
> >I thought of another feature to help fix the stupid user issue. How
> > about a lock that doesn't allow a band change. Such as a special way to
> > use the lock button that doesn't lock one out from QSYing but doesn't
> > allow them to move off of say 40 meters. We had a death to a band pass
> > filter cause some one turned their equipment over to a new ham on
> > another one of the stations and a feature that locks from going to
> > another band could have prevented that. Also would be useful for when
> > you don't have the tuner nor an external and your antenna is only good
> > on one band.
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 19:51 -0700, wayne burdick wrote:
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> I wanted to run a possible solution past you.
> >>
> >> I could prevent the rig from being keyed (by any method) during the
> >> first couple of seconds that it's powered up. Instead, it could detect
> >> this case, and display a repeating message (something like: "KEYLINE IS
> >> ACTIVE") until you either remove the source of the keying or turn power
> >> off.
> >>
> >> Thoughts on this?
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Wayne
> >> N6KR
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've got my K3 set up for cw on Field Day with a laptop usb
> >> > port driving a usb to serial converter. Rig control and cw
> >> > keying are done over the serial cable, using the K3's
> >> > built-in ability to send cw from pin 4(?) of the rs-232
> >> > cable.
> >> >
> >> > Everything works fine, but I got quite a scare when I turned
> >> > on the K3 and it came up keyed-down 120 watts into no
> >> > antenna. It seems that if the laptop is not running the
> >> > logging program, rs-232 pin 4 can very well be in a key-down
> >> > state.
> >>
> >>
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N2EY

Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

In a message dated 6/29/08 8:43:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

> Why anyone would let a "stupid user"
> operate their > 2K radio at a field day site is beyond me.

OTOH:

One of the things FD is supposed to be is a training/education exercise.
While it's certainly not a 100%-accurate simulation of a real emergency drill,
there's always something to be learned. (I've done ever single FD since I was
licensed in 1967, and learned something on every one.)

Part of that education is learning about stuff we don't ordinarily do. The
first Elecraft I ever saw in real life was N3IUT's K2, whose sn is under 200.
All the ads, numbers and testimonials in the world did not have the impact of
using that rig under FD conditions.

Sure it's a risk to let someone else use a rig - of any price. I've always
thought that one should not bring something on FD that one cannot tolerate
losing, or having damaged.

But I'm still grateful to those many amateurs over the years who let me and
others use FD rigs we could not have owned ourselves at the time, and so learn
what distinguishes a great rig from a good one.

In 1970 I was a 16-year-old, licensed just three years. Yet the let me run
the 40 meter CW setup overnight on FD that year. The rig was a Drake R-4B/T-4XB,
worth something like $1200 at the time. More like $5000-6000 in today's
money.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Re: Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

When I was a kid and had my tech license I only operated on 2m packet
and fm repeater operation. I really liked that I could go in on 2m or
440 and then come out on HF packet and get a little further. But the
only time I got to operate on the real bands was during field day. As a
kid I loved it cause they'd set me up and let me run all night long.
I'd never sleep a wink cause I wanted to get in as much HF operation as
possible. I thank all the gentlemen who let me use their rigs during
field day. So far this field day is the first day I've ever broken a
rig. All I can say is thankfully I was the one operating it when it
died!

On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:37 -0400, [hidden email] wrote:

> In a message dated 6/29/08 8:43:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [hidden email] writes:
>
>
> > Why anyone would let a "stupid user"
> > operate their > 2K radio at a field day site is beyond me.
>
> OTOH:
>
> One of the things FD is supposed to be is a training/education exercise.
> While it's certainly not a 100%-accurate simulation of a real emergency drill,
> there's always something to be learned. (I've done ever single FD since I was
> licensed in 1967, and learned something on every one.)
>
> Part of that education is learning about stuff we don't ordinarily do. The
> first Elecraft I ever saw in real life was N3IUT's K2, whose sn is under 200.
> All the ads, numbers and testimonials in the world did not have the impact of
> using that rig under FD conditions.
>
> Sure it's a risk to let someone else use a rig - of any price. I've always
> thought that one should not bring something on FD that one cannot tolerate
> losing, or having damaged.
>
> But I'm still grateful to those many amateurs over the years who let me and
> others use FD rigs we could not have owned ourselves at the time, and so learn
> what distinguishes a great rig from a good one.
>
> In 1970 I was a 16-year-old, licensed just three years. Yet the let me run
> the 40 meter CW setup overnight on FD that year. The rig was a Drake R-4B/T-4XB,
> worth something like $1200 at the time. More like $5000-6000 in today's
> money.
>
> 73 de Jim, N2EY
>
>
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N1BA

Re: K3 Key-down on power-up [Solution?]

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Hi:

I recently purchased a used K3.

I have noticed the exact problem described in posts in 2008. The problem arises when a computer first powers up and the serial port has not yet been configured by a logging or serial control program.
The undesired behavior is that the K3 PTT line is asserted by the computer at the rig's serial port via DTR or RTS (depending on the K3 setup) The problem goes away after the logging or serial port control program is launched.

Was the feature that was discussed on June 20, 2008 implemented in later firmware? The feature is the rig detects an asserted PTT during the first couple of seconds of power up and goes into TX test mode and/or displays and error.

I haven't done any HW or SW upgrades to the rig yet.

thank you

Lee
N1BA