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stan levandowski

Re: KN, BK, etc.

Reading all these associated posts over the past two days has been
heartwarming - because it's great to see that CW is being taken so
seriously by so many hams, new and old alike.

But folks, "it is what it is and it ain't gonna change." This is my
opinion.

When a lot of us who are now on Social Security got our licenses,
society was made up of people with vastly different viewpoints compared
to today. Back then, we grew up to respect rules, authority,
conventions, and so forth. If your Elmer said, "do it like this" then
you just complied. And it became habit.

Hams are just a subset of society and today, we've got us old geezers
all mixed in with the younger crowd.

Hence, "73s", inventive uses for prosigns, "di-dit di-dit" instead of
BT, using BK for virtually every transmission to avoid signing, six dits
in the figure '5', the letter 'o' for a zero, and something that seems
to be on the increase - dropping the 'de'.

So I just keep operating in my old fashioned way, striving for accuracy
and try to avoid picking up 'bad habits'.

73, Stan WB2LQF

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Re: KN, BK, etc.

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george fritkin

Re: KN, BK, etc.

In reply to this post by stan levandowski

Practices change over the years. Heck, some of my radios I do not even have to "load and dip". Time to adapt. This is from me, a Ham since 1951.
George, W6GF
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Lou Kolb

Re: KN, BK, etc.

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Ron,

I would say MOST people don't 0-beat well. one of my favorite k3 features
is how easy it is to spot and 0-beat with it. lou WA3MIX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
To: "'stan levandowski'" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.

> Stan, there's nothing like setting a good example. I was raised to
> understand that respect for the rules of our land is respect for our
> country. That is still my guiding principle.
>
> I, too (being old enough to remember laughing about the "Geritol Set"
> before
> becoming a member), continue to use prosigns exactly as the operating
> guides
> set them forth. I don't use them all, but commonly use SK at the end of my
> last transmission of an exchange with another station, KN if I don't want
> other calls breaking in (rarely used, but I do when the other signal is
> marginal or when we're exchanging important information), of course always
> DE between calls, and CL if I'm pulling the "big switch" and won't be
> listening for other calls.
>
> After a CQ I also tune up and down at least 1 kHz for calls. Some folks
> don't zero beat well, and there are still some xtal-controlled rigs out
> there - often QRP in the hands of a very interesting operator I'll enjoy
> chewing the rag with.
>
> I try hard to be charitable with those who use prosigns incorrectly but,
> regarding DE or "this is", I will admit to a *very* curmudgeonly gut
> reaction (close to 'up-chucking') when I hear someone on phone reverse the
> proper order of call signs and say, "This is K6AAA standing by for W1BBB."
>
> In a word, "AAAAAARGH!"
>
> 73,
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> So I just keep operating in my old fashioned way, striving for accuracy
> and try to avoid picking up 'bad habits'.
>
>
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>
>
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w5tvw

Re: KN, BK, etc.

Been following, to an extent, this thread.

Since ARRL has stopped adding "operating procedures, "Q" signals, etc. and
the "proper protocol" for telegraphic exchanges to the annual "Handbook",
the newbies have no place to go to find out what is "proper" and what is
not.

Contesters are famous at abbreviating "proper protocol" to shorten the
"contact time" in hopes of higher scores. Many times this is confusing to
the "newbie" and they are sort of left to their own devices instead of a
proper "how to..."

I find operating etiquette is sometimes very crude and rude and it is rather
awkward to try and voice a correction to some people without getting them
"P.O.ed" at you.

We REALLY need to train the "newbies" to use correct and polite procedures
instead of "CB lingo" and some of the shortened crap I hear nowadays. Where
is "THE OLD MAN" columns that used to appear in QST years ago?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Kolb" <[hidden email]>
To: "elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.

> Ron,
>
> I would say MOST people don't 0-beat well. one of my favorite k3 features
> is how easy it is to spot and 0-beat with it. lou WA3MIX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'stan levandowski'" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.
>
>
>> Stan, there's nothing like setting a good example. I was raised to
>> understand that respect for the rules of our land is respect for our
>> country. That is still my guiding principle.
>>
>> I, too (being old enough to remember laughing about the "Geritol Set"
>> before
>> becoming a member), continue to use prosigns exactly as the operating
>> guides
>> set them forth. I don't use them all, but commonly use SK at the end of
>> my
>> last transmission of an exchange with another station, KN if I don't want
>> other calls breaking in (rarely used, but I do when the other signal is
>> marginal or when we're exchanging important information), of course
>> always
>> DE between calls, and CL if I'm pulling the "big switch" and won't be
>> listening for other calls.
>>
>> After a CQ I also tune up and down at least 1 kHz for calls. Some folks
>> don't zero beat well, and there are still some xtal-controlled rigs out
>> there - often QRP in the hands of a very interesting operator I'll enjoy
>> chewing the rag with.
>>
>> I try hard to be charitable with those who use prosigns incorrectly but,
>> regarding DE or "this is", I will admit to a *very* curmudgeonly gut
>> reaction (close to 'up-chucking') when I hear someone on phone reverse
>> the
>> proper order of call signs and say, "This is K6AAA standing by for
>> W1BBB."
>>
>> In a word, "AAAAAARGH!"
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Ron AC7AC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> So I just keep operating in my old fashioned way, striving for accuracy
>> and try to avoid picking up 'bad habits'.
>>
>>
>> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>>
>>
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george fritkin

Re: KN, BK, etc.

Gosh, there are many up-tight old timers on this reflector.
And what does this subject have to do with Elecraft?
73de
George, W6GF and love my two K3s.

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Phil Kane-2

Re: KN, BK, etc.

On 7/19/2011 5:17 PM, george fritkin wrote:

> Gosh, there are many up-tight old timers on this reflector.
> And what does this subject have to do with Elecraft?

My personal opinion: Elecraft does radio right. It's up to
us operators to do operating right. How else are the newbies
going to learn?

---
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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