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Ruchan Ozatay

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

Hi,
I have KX3 (#29). Holding NR does not turns on noise reduction and also its setting; only displays TBD. What is TBD? I couldn’t find any explanation in the Owner’s Manual. Can someone explain me how I can I use NR future with my KX3?
Thanks & 73.
Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH

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Jay S

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

Hi Ruchan, according to the Errata document, there are a few features that
are not implemented in the KX3. One of these is Noise Reduction. TBD
stands for "to be determined". This document is located here:

http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#KX3

I cannot tell you when this function will be implemented.

73
Jay

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:15 PM, ta2ah <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have KX3 (#29). Holding NR does not turns on noise reduction and also
> its setting; only displays TBD. What is TBD? I couldn’t find any
> explanation in the Owner’s Manual. Can someone explain me how I can I use
> NR future with my KX3?
> Thanks & 73.
> Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH
>
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Nr4c

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

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Well, the "Errata sheet" on the web site was updated on May 10th. It states
that the NR as well as a few others are described in the manual but not
implemented as yet. "TBD" is the usual To Be Determined. How up-to-date is
you firmware?

Patience....

...bill nr4c

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Noise Reduction

Hi,
I have KX3 (#29). Holding NR does not turns on noise reduction and also its
setting; only displays TBD. What is TBD? I couldn't find any explanation in
the Owner's Manual. Can someone explain me how I can I use NR future with my
KX3?
Thanks & 73.
Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH

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VE3GNO Daniel

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

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TBD...acronym from "to be deremined" I think, check if you have latest firmware loaded on it

VE3GNO Daniel

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Noise Reduction

Hi,
I have KX3 (#29). Holding NR does not turns on noise reduction and also its setting; only displays TBD. What is TBD? I couldn’t find any explanation in the Owner’s Manual. Can someone explain me how I can I use NR future with my KX3?
Thanks & 73.
Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH

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Don Butler

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

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My KX3 s/n 125 was delivered with fw 0.99 and dsp 0.85 … the accompanying
errata sheet stated that even though they are mentioned in the manual, NR,
Auto-notch, ESSB, CW transmit in SSB mode, and DVR message record/play are
not yet implemented.

In addition, NB is also non-functional on my radio …. I don’t get the TBD
message when I switch it on like I do with NR … the NB icon does appear on
the screen when I switch it on … but it’s not working and the encoder that’s
supposed to control NB levels remains on either AF or RF gain…

So I suspect we just need to be patient…

Don, N5LZ

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Don Butler

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

I should clarify my previous post regarding the noise blanker on my KX3
sn/125 .... NB does switch on and off, and does have a favorable effect on
line noise, etc., but I am unable to vary its level with the encoder as
described in the manual..... when NB is switched on the encoder will only
toggle between AFgain, RF gain, and Monitor level.

Don, N5LZ

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Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Noise Reduction

> My KX3 s/n 125 was delivered with fw 0.99 and dsp 0.85 … the accompanying
> errata sheet stated that even though they are mentioned in the manual, NR,
> Auto-notch, ESSB, CW transmit in SSB mode, and DVR message record/play are
> not yet implemented.
>
>
>
> In addition, NB is also non-functional on my radio …. I don’t get the TBD
> message when I switch it on like I do with NR … the NB icon does appear on
> the screen when I switch it on … but it’s not working and the encoder that’s
> supposed to control NB levels remains on either AF or RF gain…
>
>
>
> So I suspect we just need to be patient…
>
>
>
> Don, N5LZ
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ta2ah" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Noise Reduction
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I have KX3 (#29). Holding NR does not turns on noise reduction and also
>> its setting; only displays TBD. What is TBD? I couldn’t find any
>> explanation in the Owner’s Manual. Can someone explain me how I can I use
>> NR future with my KX3?
>> Thanks & 73.
>> Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH
>>
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Bruce Beford-2

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

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I believe the Noise Blanker is still under development at this time. It can
be turned on/off, but not adjusted. I believe it was mentioned in one of the
older manual erratas, but was dropped from the latest one. I also did not
see it mentioned in the firmware release notes, but I do recall that it is a
work in progress.

73,
Bruce, N1RX

> I should clarify my previous post regarding the noise blanker on my KX3
> sn/125 .... NB does switch on and off, and does have a favorable effect
> on line noise, etc., but I am unable to vary its level with the encoder
> as described in the manual..... when NB is switched on the encoder will
> only toggle between AFgain, RF gain, and Monitor level.

> Don, N5LZ

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Bill Tubbs, WK6A

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

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Since I was a kid in the 60s TBD has meant "To Be Developed", particularly in the military. Never heard it as "to be done" but I suppose there are always regional differences.

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On May 25, 2012, at 1:40 PM, "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Actually, I have for half a century known TBD to be an acronym for "To Be Done". In this case the development of the code is likely complete. What remains to be done is to integrate it with the rest of the KX3 code, test and debug any unintended interactions.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> TBD...acronym from "to be deremined" I think, check if you have latest firmware loaded on it
>
>
> VE3GNO Daniel
>
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Tony Estep

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Bill Tubbs <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ...TBD has meant....

========
In this case (and possibly others), when you push the button and nothing
happens, it means, "Too Bad, Darling."

Tony KT0NY

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Phil Hystad-3

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

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A silly thing to debate -- but, it has always meant "To Be Done". In fact, I have never known any other definition in the world of computer programming where it is often used as a comment to a section of code. So, at least for programming, To Be Done is it. Always has been since I started programming in 1965 (and, I am still programming and I still put TBD in code comments every now and then).

But, a slight comment nod to Ron (AC7AC). I think that TBD is more accurately called an "initialism" and not an acronym. An acronym is a word formed by letters of a phrase or sentence such as sonar or radar. Thus, an acronym can be pronounced and used as a word. An initialism is a set of letters that are usually not pronounced or they receive a pronunciation from common practice. For example, CEO, HTML, and SQL are all initialisms. And, SQL has a common practice of pronunciation of Sequel although technically that is not correct and I believe the SQL standard stipulates this. Sequel is actually the name of a similar language developed by IBM that preceded SQL.

Enough debate there is a CW contest to going on.

73, phil, K7PEH

On May 25, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Bill Tubbs wrote:

> Since I was a kid in the 60s TBD has meant "To Be Developed", particularly in the military. Never heard it as "to be done" but I suppose there are always regional differences.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 25, 2012, at 1:40 PM, "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Actually, I have for half a century known TBD to be an acronym for "To Be Done". In this case the development of the code is likely complete. What remains to be done is to integrate it with the rest of the KX3 code, test and debug any unintended interactions.
>>
>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>> TBD...acronym from "to be deremined" I think, check if you have latest firmware loaded on it
>>
>>
>> VE3GNO Daniel
>>
>>
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Joseph Trombino, Jr

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

Not wanting to add to the noise on the definition of "TBD", but I thought I would share my experience on this one.

I spent more than a few years in the U.S. government and worked on a few design teams...and to us in government and the contractors that worked for us "TBD" meant "to be determined" on all of our design programs.

So now that I have just added to the confusion I will say good night Gracie.

73, Joe W2KJ
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Bill Tubbs, WK6A

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

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Okay, you can have "to be done.". I have to add "to be determined" to my "to be developed" which is in all the military planning manuals I have (and have read). I can't seem to find "to be done" as a common initialism, even on a routine internet search, but if you've used it then it must be ok ;-)

Yep, silly topic to continue.

Hey, how 'bout those KX3s?!

Bill
WK6A

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On May 25, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A silly thing to debate -- but, it has always meant "To Be Done". In fact, I have never known any other definition in the world of computer programming where it is often used as a comment to a section of code. So, at least for programming, To Be Done is it. Always has been since I started programming in 1965 (and, I am still programming and I still put TBD in code comments every now and then).
>
> But, a slight comment nod to Ron (AC7AC). I think that TBD is more accurately called an "initialism" and not an acronym. An acronym is a word formed by letters of a phrase or sentence such as sonar or radar. Thus, an acronym can be pronounced and used as a word. An initialism is a set of letters that are usually not pronounced or they receive a pronunciation from common practice. For example, CEO, HTML, and SQL are all initialisms. And, SQL has a common practice of pronunciation of Sequel although technically that is not correct and I believe the SQL standard stipulates this. Sequel is actually the name of a similar language developed by IBM that preceded SQL.
>
> Enough debate there is a CW contest to going on.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On May 25, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Bill Tubbs wrote:
>
>> Since I was a kid in the 60s TBD has meant "To Be Developed", particularly in the military. Never heard it as "to be done" but I suppose there are always regional differences.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 25, 2012, at 1:40 PM, "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, I have for half a century known TBD to be an acronym for "To Be Done". In this case the development of the code is likely complete. What remains to be done is to integrate it with the rest of the KX3 code, test and debug any unintended interactions.
>>>
>>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>
>>> TBD...acronym from "to be deremined" I think, check if you have latest firmware loaded on it
>>>
>>>
>>> VE3GNO Daniel
>>>
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David Gilbert

Re: TBD

In my more than thirty years of program management and contract work in
industry it always meant either "to be determined" or "to be defined".
A little Google searching (use the keywords "acronym TBD") shows "to be
determined" as the dominant interpretation:

http://www.abbreviations.com/TBD

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_acronym_TBD_mean

http://www.ask.com/questions-about/What-Does-TBD-Means

http://www.acronymfinder.com/Military-and-Government/TBD.html

http://www.acronymfinder.com/TBD.html

73,
Dave AB7E

On 5/26/2012 12:13 AM, Bill Tubbs wrote:

> Okay, you can have "to be done.". I have to add "to be determined" to my "to be developed" which is in all the military planning manuals I have (and have read). I can't seem to find "to be done" as a common initialism, even on a routine internet search, but if you've used it then it must be ok ;-)
>
> Yep, silly topic to continue.
>
> Hey, how 'bout those KX3s?!
>
> Bill
> WK6A
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 25, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Phil Hystad<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> A silly thing to debate -- but, it has always meant "To Be Done". In fact, I have never known any other definition in the world of computer programming where it is often used as a comment to a section of code. So, at least for programming, To Be Done is it. Always has been since I started programming in 1965 (and, I am still programming and I still put TBD in code comments every now and then).
>>
>> But, a slight comment nod to Ron (AC7AC). I think that TBD is more accurately called an "initialism" and not an acronym. An acronym is a word formed by letters of a phrase or sentence such as sonar or radar. Thus, an acronym can be pronounced and used as a word. An initialism is a set of letters that are usually not pronounced or they receive a pronunciation from common practice. For example, CEO, HTML, and SQL are all initialisms. And, SQL has a common practice of pronunciation of Sequel although technically that is not correct and I believe the SQL standard stipulates this. Sequel is actually the name of a similar language developed by IBM that preceded SQL.
>>
>> Enough debate there is a CW contest to going on.
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Bill Tubbs wrote:
>>
>>> Since I was a kid in the 60s TBD has meant "To Be Developed", particularly in the military. Never heard it as "to be done" but I suppose there are always regional differences.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 25, 2012, at 1:40 PM, "Ron D'Eau Claire"<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, I have for half a century known TBD to be an acronym for "To Be Done". In this case the development of the code is likely complete. What remains to be done is to integrate it with the rest of the KX3 code, test and debug any unintended interactions.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TBD...acronym from "to be deremined" I think, check if you have latest firmware loaded on it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VE3GNO Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
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Bob Cunnings NW8L

Re: KX3 - Noise Reduction

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Especially silly since if you actually read the erratum:

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740163E%20KX3%20Owner'sManErrata%20B2-2.pdf

it's defined explicitly: "Some specifications are still shown as TBD
(to be determined)."

Bob NW8L

>A silly thing to debate -- but, it has always meant "To Be Done".
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On May 26, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Bob Cunnings <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Especially silly since if you actually read the erratum:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740163E%20KX3%20Owner'sManErrata%20B2-2.pdf
>
> it's defined explicitly: "Some specifications are still shown as TBD
> (to be determined)."
>
> Bob NW8L
>
>> A silly thing to debate -- but, it has always meant "To Be Done".
> ______________________________________________________________
>