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Re: KX3 firmware rev 1.38: Programmable switch macros

Jim Sheldon

If you come up with a working macro for this one, please make sure it gets posted to the reflector.  I haven't been successful with it either.  The split, up 2 on and off works just fine, but trying to get dual watch going under the same conditions here has met with the same failure you're reporting.  Got tired of banging my head on it last night and ran off to work TX5K on 160.

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

> Lee Hiers wrote:
OK, so I want to set the VFOs equal, go split, turn on Dual Watch,

> and make VFO-B 1 kHz higher than VFO-A.  I would also like this to
> toggle split and Dual Watch back off when invoked a second time
> (the resulting VFO-B frequency at that point doesn't really matter).
>
> This is what I tried initially:
>
>
> SWT25;SWT25;SWH25;SB;UPB4;  
>
>
> and it works fine, except when activating the macro a second time,
> it toggles off the split (good), but not the dual watch (bad).
>
>
> So, I tried:
>
>
> SWT25;SWT25;SWH25;MN140;UPB4;
>
>
> and when I invoke this macro, instead of toggling the dual watch,
> it brings up the FM deviation menu choice
>
>
> So, I tried:
>
>
> MN140;
>
>
> by itself, and this brings up the Dual RX menu entry, but it
> doesn't toggle - the VFO-A display says "OFF" and the radio stays
> in the menu mode.
>
>
> When I select the Dual RX in the menu and assign it to PF1 or PF2,
> it toggles Dual Watch on and off, but it seems to be acting strange
> when placed in a macro.
>
>
> Am I missing something?
>
>

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Re: KX3 firmware rev 1.38: Programmable switch macros

wayne burdick
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The "SB" in the macro should be "SB1" to turn dual watch on, and "SB0"  
to turn it off. Did you try that?

I'll try it, too.

Wayne
N6KR


On Mar 3, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote:

>
> If you come up with a working macro for this one, please make sure  
> it gets posted to the reflector.  I haven't been successful with it  
> either.  The split, up 2 on and off works just fine, but trying to  
> get dual watch going under the same conditions here has met with the  
> same failure you're reporting.  Got tired of banging my head on it  
> last night and ran off to work TX5K on 160.
>
> Jim Sheldon - W0EB
>
>> Lee Hiers wrote:
> OK, so I want to set the VFOs equal, go split, turn on Dual Watch,
>> and make VFO-B 1 kHz higher than VFO-A.  I would also like this to
>> toggle split and Dual Watch back off when invoked a second time
>> (the resulting VFO-B frequency at that point doesn't really matter).
>>
>> This is what I tried initially:
>>
>>
>> SWT25;SWT25;SWH25;SB;UPB4;
>>
>>
>> and it works fine, except when activating the macro a second time,
>> it toggles off the split (good), but not the dual watch (bad).
>>
>>
>> So, I tried:
>>
>>
>> SWT25;SWT25;SWH25;MN140;UPB4;
>>
>>
>> and when I invoke this macro, instead of toggling the dual watch,
>> it brings up the FM deviation menu choice
>>
>>
>> So, I tried:
>>
>>
>> MN140;
>>
>>
>> by itself, and this brings up the Dual RX menu entry, but it
>> doesn't toggle - the VFO-A display says "OFF" and the radio stays
>> in the menu mode.
>>
>>
>> When I select the Dual RX in the menu and assign it to PF1 or PF2,
>> it toggles Dual Watch on and off, but it seems to be acting strange
>> when placed in a macro.
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>>
>
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KX3 PBT on SSB

Dana Browne AD5VC
I have been using my KX3 with digital software and seem to have some odd behavior using the PBT.  I have it set to do upper cutoff/lower cutoff on USB or LSB and am watching the received display on the waterfall.  As expected, the upper cutoff in the noise follows the cutoff displayed on the screen, up to a point.

However, if I lower the cutoff below 2.35 kHz, there is an additional dead zone (no noise on the display) from 1.4 kHz to 1.6 kHz.   The same thing happens on LSU at 2.45 kHz.   This appears no matter what band I am on, so I assume it is something in the DSP software.

No such dead zone appears if I raise the lower cutoff.


I am using MCU 1.36 and DSP 1.05.

Has anyone else observed this?
Dana Browne
AD5VC


--- On Sun, 3/3/13, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware rev 1.38: Programmable switch macros
> To: "Elecraft Mailing List" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sunday, March 3, 2013, 10:10 AM
> The "SB" in the macro should be "SB1"
> to turn dual watch on, and "SB0" 
> to turn it off. Did you try that?
>
> I'll try it, too.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote:
>
> >
> > If you come up with a working macro for this one,
> please make sure 
> > it gets posted to the reflector.  I haven't been
> successful with it 
> > either.  The split, up 2 on and off works just
> fine, but trying to 
> > get dual watch going under the same conditions here has
> met with the 
> > same failure you're reporting.  Got tired of
> banging my head on it 
> > last night and ran off to work TX5K on 160.
> >
> > Jim Sheldon - W0EB
> >
> >> Lee Hiers wrote:
> > OK, so I want to set the VFOs equal, go split, turn on
> Dual Watch,
> >> and make VFO-B 1 kHz higher than VFO-A.  I
> would also like this to
> >> toggle split and Dual Watch back off when invoked a
> second time
> >> (the resulting VFO-B frequency at that point
> doesn't really matter).
> >>
> >> This is what I tried initially:
> >>
> >>
> >> SWT25;SWT25;SWH25;SB;UPB4;
> >>
> >>
> >> and it works fine, except when activating the macro
> a second time,
> >> it toggles off the split (good), but not the dual
> watch (bad).
> >>
> >>
> >> So, I tried:
> >>
> >>
> >> SWT25;SWT25;SWH25;MN140;UPB4;
> >>
> >>
> >> and when I invoke this macro, instead of toggling
> the dual watch,
> >> it brings up the FM deviation menu choice
> >>
> >>
> >> So, I tried:
> >>
> >>
> >> MN140;
> >>
> >>
> >> by itself, and this brings up the Dual RX menu
> entry, but it
> >> doesn't toggle - the VFO-A display says "OFF" and
> the radio stays
> >> in the menu mode.
> >>
> >>
> >> When I select the Dual RX in the menu and assign it
> to PF1 or PF2,
> >> it toggles Dual Watch on and off, but it seems to
> be acting strange
> >> when placed in a macro.
> >>
> >>
> >> Am I missing something?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: KX3 PBT on SSB

Mike WA8BXN
Hi Dana,
 
As I understand it, the IQ output from the KX3 is before the "roofing filter
 and DSP. Thus any bandwidth settings you have on the KX3 should not have
any effect on the IQ output. You did not mention what particular program you
are using on your computer. If you are exchanging data between the KX3 and
that program, I would suggest you disconnect the cable that allows that and
see what happens. It could be that the issue lies in the program and not the
KX3.
 
73 - Mike WA8BXN
 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Dana Browne AD5VC
Date: 3/4/2013 10:46:52 PM
To: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PBT on SSB
 
I have been using my KX3 with digital software and seem to have some odd
behavior using the PBT. I have it set to do upper cutoff/lower cutoff on USB
or LSB and am watching the received display on the waterfall. As expected,
the upper cutoff in the noise follows the cutoff displayed on the screen, up
to a point.
 
However, if I lower the cutoff below 2.35 kHz, there is an additional dead
zone (no noise on the display) from 1.4 kHz to 1.6 kHz. The same thing
happens on LSU at 2.45 kHz. This appears no matter what band I am on, so I
assume it is something in the DSP software.
 
No such dead zone appears if I raise the lower cutoff.
 
 
I am using MCU 1.36 and DSP 1.05.
 
Has anyone else observed this?
Dana Browne
AD5VC
 
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Re: KX3 PBT on SSB

Lyle Johnson
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Dana,

You are seeing the effect of the switch from "phasing" reception mode to
"Weaver" reception mode.  Weaver mode is used when an aggressive SSB
bandwidth is selected to improve opposite sideband rejection at the
expense of some additional in-the-passband distortion.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> I have been using my KX3 with digital software and seem to have some odd behavior using the PBT...
>
> However, if I lower the cutoff below 2.35 kHz, there is an additional dead zone (no noise on the display) from 1.4 kHz to 1.6 kHz...

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Re: KX3 PBT on SSB

Don Wilhelm-4
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Dana,

That is a good reason to use DATA A mode instead of SSB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/4/2013 10:46 PM, Dana Browne AD5VC wrote:
> I have been using my KX3 with digital software and seem to have some odd behavior using the PBT.  I have it set to do upper cutoff/lower cutoff on USB or LSB and am watching the received display on the waterfall.  As expected, the upper cutoff in the noise follows the cutoff displayed on the screen, up to a point.
>
> However, if I lower the cutoff below 2.35 kHz, there is an additional dead zone (no noise on the display) from 1.4 kHz to 1.6 kHz.   The same thing happens on LSU at 2.45 kHz.   This appears no matter what band I am on, so I assume it is something in the DSP software.
>

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Re: KX3 PBT on SSB

John Oppenheimer
Hi Dana,

The 1500 Hz hole in SSB mode is an artifact of Weaver Demodulation.
Looking at the KX3 Firmware Information document, MCU 00.77, DSP 00.74,
3-6-2012: IF the KXFL3 is installed, Weaver demodulation is enabled when
HI-CUT is below 2.4 kHz.

John KN5L
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Re: KX3 PBT on SSB

Dana Browne AD5VC
I am simply taking the headphone audio output (not the I/Q output) and running it into Digipan or Fldigi.    This radio is just the stock radio with no added KXFL3 filter.  I just wanted to experiment with sound card audio on the KX3 and used the method that has worked with other radios.

I had not heard of the other demodulation scheme before.  I guess I have some more reading to do.

I will try the Data A mode.  Thanks for the feedback, folks.

Dana Browne
AD5VC


--- On Tue, 3/5/13, John Oppenheimer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: John Oppenheimer <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 PBT on SSB
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 8:21 AM
> Hi Dana,
>
> The 1500 Hz hole in SSB mode is an artifact of Weaver
> Demodulation.
> Looking at the KX3 Firmware Information document, MCU 00.77,
> DSP 00.74,
> 3-6-2012: IF the KXFL3 is installed, Weaver demodulation is
> enabled when
> HI-CUT is below 2.4 kHz.
>
> John KN5L
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