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Randy Farmer

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

First sent this to Skip rather than the list...

> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction
> of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is issued
> to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the horizon
> for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's absolutely NO
> reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits by itself once
> they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain every couple of
> months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get it fixed.
>
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
>
> On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> FW: 1.60
>> Fixed Tune mode
>> No SVGA
>> Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port
>>
>> The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I
>> change bands. For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span
>> window going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come
>> back to 40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045. Is this normal? Have
>> I missed a menu option?
>>
>> It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put
>> where I left it. I think it has some connection to where in the span
>> window the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse
>> engineer that. I'd really like it to retain whatever span window
>> limits I've set for each band.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>

K9MA

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I haven't noticed that large a shift, but sometimes 0.5 kHz or so.

Scott K9MA

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Scott Ellington

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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Randy Farmer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
>
>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get it fixed.
>>
>> 73...
>> Randy, W8FN
>>
>>> On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>> FW: 1.60
>>> Fixed Tune mode
>>> No SVGA
>>> Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port
>>>
>>> The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I change bands. For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span window going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come back to 40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045. Is this normal? Have I missed a menu option?
>>>
>>> It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put where I left it. I think it has some connection to where in the span window the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse engineer that. I'd really like it to retain whatever span window limits I've set for each band.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>> Washoe County
>>
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Ed Pflueger

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I just went thru my 2 K3S's and K3 all attached to different P3's with my
cable attached to the P3's comm ports and for some reason do not have the
same issue. My span limits on all three have stayed the same from 6 to 160
meters. I'm using three different PC's with two of them using Windows 10
Pro and one using Windows 7 Pro. I used Dxbase to change the frequency of
all three rigs from Cluster spots. Don't know why mine doesn't have the
same issues. Luck I guess..

Ed.. AB4IQ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I haven't noticed that large a shift, but sometimes 0.5 kHz or so.

Scott K9MA

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Scott Ellington

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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Randy Farmer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
>
>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction of
the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is issued to the
radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the horizon for curing this
extremely annoying "feature"? There's absolutely NO reason for the P3 to
decide to change the span limits by itself once they've been set up on a
band. Maybe if we complain every couple of months someone at Elecraft will
take notice and get it fixed.

>>
>> 73...
>> Randy, W8FN
>>
>>> On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>> FW: 1.60
>>> Fixed Tune mode
>>> No SVGA
>>> Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port
>>>
>>> The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I

change bands. For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span window
going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come back to 40,
the span will now be 7025 to 7045. Is this normal? Have I missed a menu
option?
>>>
>>> It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put where
I left it. I think it has some connection to where in the span window the
cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse engineer that. I'd
really like it to retain whatever span window limits I've set for each band.

>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>> Washoe County
>>
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k6dgw

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

In reply to this post by Randy Farmer

It may be a timing issue. It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in
my case] sends a frequency command. It rarely happens for me when I
make the first frequency change. Returning to the first band, it
usually happens. And you're right, it is annoying.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:

> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
>
>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction
>> of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is
>> issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the
>> horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's
>> absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits
>> by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain
>> every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get
>> it fixed.
>>
>> 73...
>> Randy, W8FN
>>

Ed Pflueger

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I guess maybe I need to fire up N1MM+ to see what happens here. Dxbase seems to work fine and so does DX4WIN.

Ed.. AB4IQ

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:52 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

It may be a timing issue. It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in my case] sends a frequency command. It rarely happens for me when I make the first frequency change. Returning to the first band, it usually happens. And you're right, it is annoying.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:

Don Wilhelm

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

In reply to this post by k6dgw

I believe I heard of this "problem" before. It needs to be addressed
with the N1MM+ folks for a possible fix.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/26/2018 4:52 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> It may be a timing issue. It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in
> my case] sends a frequency command. It rarely happens for me when I
> make the first frequency change. Returning to the first band, it
> usually happens. And you're right, it is annoying.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
>> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
>>
>>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction
>>> of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is
>>> issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the
>>> horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's
>>> absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits
>>> by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain
>>> every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get
>>> it fixed.

Ed Pflueger

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

In reply to this post by Ed Pflueger

Sorry guys but N1MM+ works fine here. I went to several bands and modes
with no change in the P3's span. I am running WIN4K3SUITE and COM0COM and
all three programs at the same time with no issues. I am using just a
standard (Printer Cable) to the PC but it is connected to the K3S rather
than the P3. I thought it ran to the P3 at first but after further
inspection I was wrong. (as Usual)

Ed..AB4IQ

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 'Fred Jensen' <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I guess maybe I need to fire up N1MM+ to see what happens here. Dxbase
seems to work fine and so does DX4WIN.

Ed.. AB4IQ

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:52 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

It may be a timing issue. It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in my
case] sends a frequency command. It rarely happens for me when I make the
first frequency change. Returning to the first band, it usually happens.
And you're right, it is annoying.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:

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k6dgw

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I think that may be a clue Ed, my K3 is ancient [#642] but has current
FW and new synth. The computer connects to it and the P3 connects to
the K3 serial port ... otherwise fixed-tune mode wouldn't work. I've
never seen the issue when changing bands with the BAND U/D switch, or
from macros executed from the KPOD, only when the commands start at the
computer and go thru the P3 to the K3. N1MM+ is the only control
software I use.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 2:30 PM, AB4IQ wrote:

> Sorry guys but N1MM+ works fine here. I went to several bands and modes
> with no change in the P3's span. I am running WIN4K3SUITE and COM0COM and
> all three programs at the same time with no issues. I am using just a
> standard (Printer Cable) to the PC but it is connected to the K3S rather
> than the P3. I thought it ran to the P3 at first but after further
> inspection I was wrong. (as Usual)
>
> Ed..AB4IQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of AB4IQ
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:13 PM
> To: 'Fred Jensen' <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands
>
> I guess maybe I need to fire up N1MM+ to see what happens here. Dxbase
> seems to work fine and so does DX4WIN.
>
> Ed.. AB4IQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:52 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands
>
> It may be a timing issue. It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in my
> case] sends a frequency command. It rarely happens for me when I make the
> first frequency change. Returning to the first band, it usually happens.
> And you're right, it is annoying.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
>> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
>>
>>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction
>>> of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is
>>> issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the
>>> horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's
>>> absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits
>>> by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain
>>> every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get
>>> it fixed.
>>>
>>> 73...
>>> Randy, W8FN
>>>
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Bill Frantz

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I have the same problem with wsjt-x running from a Mac. When I
change bands, the center frequency changes. Very annoying since
it moves part of the display outside of the 17M and 12M bands.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/26/18 at 2:47 PM, [hidden email] (Fred Jensen) wrote:

>I think that may be a clue Ed, my K3 is ancient [#642] but has
>current FW and new synth. The computer connects to it and the
>P3 connects to the K3 serial port ... otherwise fixed-tune mode
>wouldn't work. I've never seen the issue when changing bands
>with the BAND U/D switch, or from macros executed from the
>KPOD, only when the commands start at the computer and go thru
>the P3 to the K3. N1MM+ is the only control software I use.

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Grant Youngman-2

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

Why do you presume it is a fault of the P3 and not something funky happening with whatever software you’re running on your PC?

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have the same problem with wsjt-x running from a Mac. When I change bands, the center frequency changes. Very annoying since it moves part of the display outside of the 17M and 12M bands.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 10/26/18 at 2:47 PM, [hidden email] (Fred Jensen) wrote:
>
>> I think that may be a clue Ed, my K3 is ancient [#642] but has current FW and new synth. The computer connects to it and the P3 connects to the K3 serial port ... otherwise fixed-tune mode wouldn't work. I've never seen the issue when changing bands with the BAND U/D switch, or from macros executed from the KPOD, only when the commands start at the computer and go thru the P3 to the K3. N1MM+ is the only control software I use.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Bill Frantz

Re: P3: Span limits move when changing bands

It happens with two different OSs and two different programs.
The best place to look first is the common elements.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/26/18 at 5:00 PM, [hidden email] (Grant Youngman) wrote:

>Why do you presume it is a fault of the P3 and not something
>funky happening with whatever software you’re running on your PC?
>
>Grant NQ5T
>K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>
>>On Oct 26, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>I have the same problem with wsjt-x running from a Mac. When I change bands, the center frequency
>changes. Very annoying since it moves part of the display outside of the 17M and 12M bands.
>>
>>73 Bill AE6JV
>>
>>On 10/26/18 at 2:47 PM, [hidden email] (Fred Jensen) wrote:
>>
>>> I think that may be a clue Ed, my K3 is ancient [#642] but has current FW and new synth. The
>computer connects to it and the P3 connects to the K3 serial
>port ... otherwise fixed-tune mode wouldn't work. I've never
>seen the issue when changing bands with the BAND U/D switch, or
>from macros executed from the KPOD, only when the commands
>start at the computer and go thru the P3 to the K3. N1MM+ is
>the only control software I use.
>>
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