Re: Spam filters WAS "We are not talking about a small amount of money"
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Re: Spam filters WAS "We are not talking about a small amount of money"
 
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On 7/9/07, Thom LaCosta <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > This mailing list's spam filter has blocked 3 attempts by me to reply > > to this thread. I think spam filters are more likely to be blame for > > the lack of communication being complained of than any failings at > > Elecraft. > > How do you know that? Did you get a message saying it was blocked? Was there a > reason? Yes, I did get a bounce message back to say that my reply "looked like spam". Why a legitimate reply-to from a registered list member should be considered spam I have no idea, but I've complained before about the brain-dead QTH.NET system and got nowhere, so let's not go there. Most spam filters just silently drop the email, so the first a vendor knows about it is when an irate customer complains they didn't get what they ordered. -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? www.Ham-Directory.com: the best ham resources on the net _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Re: Re: Spam filters WAS "We are not talking about a small amount of money"
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote:
>> >> How do you know that? Did you get a message saying it was blocked? Was >> there a >> reason? > > Yes, I did get a bounce message back to say that my reply "looked like > spam". Why a legitimate reply-to from a registered list member should > be considered spam I have no idea, but I've complained before about > the brain-dead QTH.NET system and got nowhere, so let's not go there. Ah...I suppose the brain-dead anti-spam system at QTH.NET didn't identify itself? I recently added so anti-spam protection to my server, plus giving the users the ability to add more spam protection...and it "explains" why someone gets their mail blocked. So far, I haven't gotten any emails asking me to unblock any IP or address. > > Most spam filters just silently drop the email, so the first a vendor > knows about it is when an irate customer complains they didn't get > what they ordered. Yep...that's why I have my system st to explain why the mail is bounced....the bad news is that with so much spam...the notification messages may go to unreal addresses...and of course they get bounced. Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer k3hrn www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Though I really hate adding to what seem to be mostly OT threads, I'm
going to do so here and this will be my only post on the subject. Several weeks ago, a reflector member sent a message to me, asking that I post it to THIS reflector on his behalf because every time HE attempted to post it, the message was 'bounced' as 'appearing to be SPAM'. I made several attempts to post his message and received the same bounces. I eventually found (within the 'bounce' message) a link to where I cold inquire as to why the message was being flagged as SPAM. So I inquired! Turned out that the text of the message contained the word "repl cated"...! That's it!! Nothing more innocuous than that! (NOTE: I've left out the "i" in the 'bad word' above, in the hope that IT won't cause this reply to be bounced... <G> As a result, the person who eventually replied to my query, giving me the offending word, suggested that I substitute another word ("reproduced", if I recall) for the offending word. I did, and resent the message... which, that time, was forwarded to the reflector. So, it doesn't take much... darn little, actually, to cause the SPAM-COP detectors to start ringing. End of rant. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS At 03:10 07/09/2007, Julian G4ILO wrote: >On 7/9/07, Thom LaCosta <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > This mailing list's spam filter has blocked 3 attempts by me to reply >> > to this thread. I think spam filters are more likely to be blame for >> > the lack of communication being complained of than any failings at >> > Elecraft. >> >>How do you know that? Did you get a message saying it was >>blocked? Was there a >>reason? > >Yes, I did get a bounce message back to say that my reply "looked like >spam". Why a legitimate reply-to from a registered list member should >be considered spam I have no idea, but I've complained before about >the brain-dead QTH.NET system and got nowhere, so let's not go there. > >Most spam filters just silently drop the email, so the first a vendor >knows about it is when an irate customer complains they didn't get >what they ordered. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On 7/9/07, Tom Hammond <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > So, it doesn't take much... darn little, actually, to cause the > SPAM-COP detectors to start ringing. Indeed. But why should that be so? This is a membership-only group. There is no need for spam filtering. It wasn't important in this particular case, but if someone is experiencing problems with their kit and wants advice, they shouldn't be subjected to the additional frustration of having their plea for help being rejected by some daft bit of software. -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? www.Ham-Directory.com: the best ham resources on the net _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Re: Re: Spam filters
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On Monday 09 July 2007 04:10:17 Julian G4ILO wrote:
> Yes, I did get a bounce message back to say that my reply "looked like > spam". I suspect your two web site references in your signature. Spam filters are suspicious of external references, and I think the word "best" following one of them makes the spam score higher. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: Spam filters WAS "We are not talking about a small amount of money"
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The spam filtering is applied at our Elecraft list host, qth.net, and is
not under our control. It is absolutely needed. Without it we have had literally hundreds of spammers 'subscribe' to the list and attempt to post. We still see the attempts here daily. In general, if you get a bounce message, please forward it to me and I'll ask qth.net about it. 73, Eric Julian G4ILO wrote: > On 7/9/07, Thom LaCosta <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > This mailing list's spam filter has blocked 3 attempts by me to reply >> > to this thread. I think spam filters are more likely to be blame for >> > the lack of communication being complained of than any failings at >> > Elecraft. >> >> How do you know that? Did you get a message saying it was blocked? >> Was there a >> reason? > > Yes, I did get a bounce message back to say that my reply "looked like > spam". Why a legitimate reply-to from a registered list member should > be considered spam I have no idea, but I've complained before about > the brain-dead QTH.NET system and got nowhere, so let's not go there. > > Most spam filters just silently drop the email, so the first a vendor > knows about it is when an irate customer complains they didn't get > what they ordered. Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> The spam filtering is applied at our Elecraft list host, qth.net, and is > not under our control. > > It is absolutely needed. Without it we have had literally hundreds of > spammers 'subscribe' to the list and attempt to post. We still see the > attempts here daily. > > In general, if you get a bounce message, please forward it to me and > I'll ask qth.net about it. > > 73, Eric > “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” -Benjamin Franklin --- _ _ _ _ _ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QRPariahs/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
[OT] Re: Re: Spam filters WAS "We are not talking about a smallamount of money"
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This is woefully off-topic, but I cannot let this pass uncommented.
The quote in the previous post attributed to Franklin is one of many, many misquotes floating around out there. The correct quote (see http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin and related links on that page) is as follows: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." The qualifying adjectives are critical. Franklin was not a black-and white thinker, but a brilliantly subtle political scientist and diplomat. Interestingly, even this correct quote has never been proven to have been authored by Franklin, though most scholarship agrees he probably did write it around 1755, with versions of the sentiment going back to Poor Richard's Almanack as early as 1738. Franklin was neither an absolutist nor a revolutionary by nature; he was first and foremost a scientist. For a goodly fill of absolutist political rhetoric of the first order, read Thomas Paine. ;-) Bill / W5WVO W2AGN wrote: > Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> The spam filtering is applied at our Elecraft list host, qth.net, >> and is not under our control. >> >> It is absolutely needed. Without it we have had literally hundreds of >> spammers 'subscribe' to the list and attempt to post. We still see >> the attempts here daily. >> >> In general, if you get a bounce message, please forward it to me and >> I'll ask qth.net about it. >> >> 73, Eric >> > > “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will > not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” > > -Benjamin Franklin > > --- > _ _ _ _ _ > / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke > ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn > check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QRPariahs/ > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: Spam filters WAS "We are not talking about a small amount of money"
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> The spam filtering is applied at our Elecraft list host, qth.net, and is not > under our control. > > It is absolutely needed. Without it we have had literally hundreds of > spammers 'subscribe' to the list and attempt to post. We still see the > attempts here daily. Wow....they don't have a subscribe option that requires confirmation? That eliminates a lot of spammers....but then again, some one has to read the messages for the sign ups that fail. Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer k3hrn www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Tom Hammond wrote:
> > So, it doesn't take much... darn little, actually, to cause the SPAM-COP > detectors to start ringing. Spamassasian allows the user to specify words that could cause a message to be trapped....it sounds fine in theory...but it's possible to enter a word that is part of other words...and thus have a huge amount of messages trapped/rejected. If an individual is bothered by spam...he or she should NEVER consider managing any type of email system for multiple users...the amount of spam is huge. Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer k3hrn www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: Spam filters WAS "We are not talking about a small amount of money"
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On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Thom LaCosta wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > >> The spam filtering is applied at our Elecraft list host, qth.net, >> and is not under our control. >> >> It is absolutely needed. Without it we have had literally hundreds >> of spammers 'subscribe' to the list and attempt to post. We still >> see the attempts here daily. > > Wow....they don't have a subscribe option that requires > confirmation? That eliminates a lot of spammers....but then again, > some one has to read the messages for the sign ups that fail. > The listserver at qth.net is Mailman, which does require confirmation. Bob, N7XY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: Spam filters WAS "We are not talking about a small amount of money"
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> > On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Thom LaCosta wrote: > >> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> >>> The spam filtering is applied at our Elecraft list host, qth.net, and is >>> not under our control. >>> >>> It is absolutely needed. Without it we have had literally hundreds of >>> spammers 'subscribe' to the list and attempt to post. We still see the >>> attempts here daily. >> >> Wow....they don't have a subscribe option that requires confirmation? That >> eliminates a lot of spammers....but then again, some one has to read the >> messages for the sign ups that fail. >> > > The listserver at qth.net is Mailman, which does require confirmation. Well, I guess I'm dumb as a post, or as lucky as a man with all day long pass in a cat house, since it's hard to imagine how the spammers that visit me can't subscribe to my lists since they can't confirm thier requests to join, since they don't use real email addresses. These folks that subscribe to the QTH.NET lists gotta be bold as brass to use their own email addresses in order to get the confirmation messages. This is so intriguing I may have to sign up on a list again and watch real close to see how I can spam a list. Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer k3hrn www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Re: Spam filters [END OF THREAD]
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We do have a subscribe confirmation requirement - and the spammers still
get around it. qth.net and we are too big of a target. Let's end this thread. Its taking up way too much bandwidth on the list. Also, guys, please do not try to moderate the list. I'll jump in as needed. If you think a thread needs moderation, please email me instead of posting to the list. 73, Eric WA6HHQ elecraft List moderator (fun, eh?) ------------ Thom LaCosta wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > >> The spam filtering is applied at our Elecraft list host, qth.net, and >> is not under our control. >> >> It is absolutely needed. Without it we have had literally hundreds of >> spammers 'subscribe' to the list and attempt to post. We still see >> the attempts here daily. > > Wow....they don't have a subscribe option that requires confirmation? > That eliminates a lot of spammers....but then again, some one has to > read the messages for the sign ups that fail. > > Thom,EIEIO > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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