Re: Time Change
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Phil,
I for one hope that our Governments never abolish daylight saving time. What is so difficult with changing the clocks? All one has to remember is "Spring ahead, Fall back". UTC does not change. 73, Bob VE3XM _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Local farmers hate daylight savings time. The extra hour of sunlight in the afternoon burns up their crops. Gil/NN4CW K2 #3104; KX1 #53 _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I like the fall-back time shift because it lets me work grayline just before
I leave for work during the winter! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Abell" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]>; "Kevin Rock" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Time Change > Phil, > > I for one hope that our Governments never abolish daylight saving time. > What is so difficult with changing the clocks? > All one has to remember is "Spring ahead, Fall back". UTC does not change. > > 73, Bob VE3XM > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 11/1/2004 09:24 AM, Robert C. Abell wrote:
>Phil, > >I for one hope that our Governments never abolish daylight saving time. >What is so difficult with changing the clocks? >All one has to remember is "Spring ahead, Fall back". UTC does not change. > >73, Bob VE3XM And there is the key ..... UTC does not change and MFJ clocks that show local and UTC are real inexpensive! 73 Hank K8DD */ Hank Kohl K8DD [hidden email] 'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.' -anon _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On 11/1/04 7:24 AM, "Robert C. Abell" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Phil, > > I for one hope that our Governments never abolish daylight saving time. > What is so difficult with changing the clocks? > All one has to remember is "Spring ahead, Fall back". UTC does not change. > > 73, Bob VE3XM And now for the opposing view... I would like to see DT abolished. In my opinion, it no longer serves any useful purpose, if it ever did. Also, pity the poor clock/watch sellers who typically have thousands of time pieces to adjust each time they have to synchronize with the silliness. I'm thankful that I only need to adjust a few clocks and my watch. The clocks in most of the modern home electronic devices, such as VCRs, adjust themselves, as do all of my computers. By the way, the MFJ-121 "atomic" clock has dual 12/24-hour displays that are large and easily readable, but both time displays have to be either 12- or 24-hour. I'd like to have UTC show 24-hour and local show 12-hour time. And worse still, the clock auto adjusts for DT, but affects both times, so I still have to compensate the UTC display on the change-over dates. Some of my hand-written logs entries were off by an hour until I discovered the problem. 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Augie Hansen wrote: >And now for the opposing view... > >I would like to see DT abolished. In my opinion, it no longer serves any >useful purpose, if it ever did. . . . . . . <snip> > And yet another view - I would like to see daylight time made permanent, as in year round, with no semi-annual adjustment. I believe the vast majority of people (not all, or course) prefer longer evening daylight hours, and if you really think about it, Winter is when we really need some extra light in the afternoon/evening. This was actually tried at least once, during the 1973 oil crisis, and it did result in some degree of energy saving, although I don't know exactly how much. I clearly remember the year we went to daylight time and did not change in the fall, and the longer days in the Winter were really nice. Of course, we all know that there is no free lunch, and the extra sunlight in the afternoon comes at the expense of longer morning darkness, but for many of us, it is a good trade. In the summer time, up this way, we get 18-24 hours of sun, depending on where you are, so daylight savings time isn't that big a deal. At Prudhoe Bay, where the Alaska oil fields are, the sun comes up on (roughly) the 20th of May and goes down on (roughly) the 5th of August - and is up 24/7 between those dates. Weird. You can take a nap after supper, wake up at 10:00, and literally not know, at least from looking out the window, if you have had a 2 hour nap or are really late for work! Of course, we could put the entire world on Greenwich time, and some places would have "noon" at "midnight", but people would get used to it, wouldn't they? 73 Jim, KL7CC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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That and "where did I put the darn maunal for the clock in my car" -- wow talk about a need for standardization! :))
Tom, WB2QDG k2 1103 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Abell" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, November 1, 2004 9:24 am Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Time Change > Phil, > > I for one hope that our Governments never abolish daylight saving > time. > What is so difficult with changing the clocks? > All one has to remember is "Spring ahead, Fall back". UTC does not > change. > 73, Bob VE3XM > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Let's let this thread rest for now as its getting a lot of postings and
and is a little off topic. :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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As I recall, the back in the '70's when they didn't turn the clocks back their was a concern, at least in the more populated areas, for the school kids being out in the dark in the morning.
I thought if that this morning when, for the first time in a few weeks I could see the kids walking to the bus stops as I drove to work. tom WB2QDG ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Wiley <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, November 1, 2004 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: Time Change > > > Augie Hansen wrote: > > >And now for the opposing view... > > > >I would like to see DT abolished. In my opinion, it no longer > serves any > >useful purpose, if it ever did. . . . . . . <snip> > > > > And yet another view - > > I would like to see daylight time made permanent, as in year > round, with > no semi-annual adjustment. I believe the vast majority of people > (not > all, or course) prefer longer evening daylight hours, and if you > really > think about it, Winter is when we really need some extra light in > the > afternoon/evening. This was actually tried at least once, during > the > 1973 oil crisis, and it did result in some degree of energy > saving, > although I don't know exactly how much. I clearly remember the > year we > went to daylight time and did not change in the fall, and the > longer > days in the Winter were really nice. > > Of course, we all know that there is no free lunch, and the extra > sunlight in the afternoon comes at the expense of longer morning > darkness, but for many of us, it is a good trade. > > In the summer time, up this way, we get 18-24 hours of sun, > depending on > where you are, so daylight savings time isn't that big a deal. At > Prudhoe Bay, where the Alaska oil fields are, the sun comes up on > (roughly) the 20th of May and goes down on (roughly) the 5th of > August - > and is up 24/7 between those dates. Weird. You can take a nap > after > supper, wake up at 10:00, and literally not know, at least from > looking > out the window, if you have had a 2 hour nap or are really late > for work! > > Of course, we could put the entire world on Greenwich time, and > some > places would have "noon" at "midnight", but people would get used > to it, > wouldn't they? > > 73 > > Jim, KL7CC > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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