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Dear Elecraft,
We are in critical need of a device that will allow us to monitor our *actual* transmitted signal. There are so many rotten signals out there it’s pathetic. Since it would appear the offshore manufacturers are clueless as to the need for clean signals, perhaps pressure can be put upon them to clean up their acts by having increasing numbers of transmit signal monitors in the field. In any case I’d like to know that my signal is clean. The CWops contest last week was the last straw for rotten signals for me. For some time I’ve been using my P3 to analyze others’ signals. If I had a device that is similar in capability to the P3 to monitor my transmitted signal that might suffice. Here I’m thinking CW (spurs, clicks, synth noise…), but something that assists the op with transmitted SSB signals would also be of use. Likewise RTTY, etc. I don’t operate enough phone/RTTY right now to judge whether the P3 is sufficient to analyze one’s transmitted SSB signal. How about it, Elecraft? It seems the P3 has much of the needed function. You’d need some sort of coupler that was fast enough to capture high speed signals, while not passing a harmful amount of signal to the “P3T” (transmission monitor P3). Of course the P3T should easily handle 1500 W, not merely 500 W, to appeal to a broader market. Thanks for listening (I hope). 73, Gary W2CS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Gary,
The "Sensor": input on the rear of th P3 is there for that purpose....however, the device has not been announced by Elecraft to date despite repeated requests..... I too really do want to be able to monitor my TX signal, one of the disadvantages I have is that I operate "Portable" from my Motorhome 24/7 and as you can imagine, this constant changing of the station setup leads to mistakes or oopsies when setting up..:-) I also beg Elecraft to listen to our pleas.... 73 Gary On 10 April 2014 09:19, Gary Ferdinand <[hidden email]> wrote: > Dear Elecraft, > > We are in critical need of a device that will allow us to monitor our > *actual* transmitted signal. There are so many rotten signals out there > it's pathetic. Since it would appear the offshore manufacturers are > clueless as to the need for clean signals, perhaps pressure can be put upon > them to clean up their acts by having increasing numbers of transmit signal > monitors in the field. In any case I'd like to know that my signal is > clean. The CWops contest last week was the last straw for rotten signals > for me. > > For some time I've been using my P3 to analyze others' signals. If I had > a device that is similar in capability to the P3 to monitor my transmitted > signal that might suffice. Here I'm thinking CW (spurs, clicks, synth > noise...), but something that assists the op with transmitted SSB signals > would also be of use. Likewise RTTY, etc. I don't operate enough > phone/RTTY right now to judge whether the P3 is sufficient to analyze > one's transmitted SSB signal. > > How about it, Elecraft? It seems the P3 has much of the needed function. > You'd need some sort of coupler that was fast enough to capture high speed > signals, while not passing a harmful amount of signal to the "P3T" > (transmission monitor P3). Of course the P3T should easily handle 1500 W, > not merely 500 W, to appeal to a broader market. > > Thanks for listening (I hope). > > 73, > > Gary W2CS > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz <http://www.qsl.net/vk1zz>Motorhome Portable* *"Grumpy's House"* *Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT* ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Ok, great idea, guys. So, Elecraft, will the recently announced PX3 have provisions to add this capability like the P3 does?If so, I want one!
It is less than a week old and we already want more!!! ;-) Mark KE6BB From: Gary Gregory<[hidden email]> Sent: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 04:53 PM To: Gary Ferdinand <[hidden email]> CC: elecraft <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rotten Signals Gary,The "Sensor": input on the rear of th P3 is there for thatpurpose....however, the device has not been announced by Elecraft to datedespite repeated requests.....I too really do want to be able to monitor my TX signal, one of thedisadvantages I have is that I operate "Portable" from my Motorhome 24/7and as you can imagine, this constant changing of the station setup leadsto mistakes or oopsies when setting up..:-)I also beg Elecraft to listen to our pleas....73GaryOn 10 April 2014 09:19, Gary Ferdinand <[hidden email]> wrote:> Dear Elecraft,>> We are in critical need of a device that will allow us to monitor our> *actual* transmitted signal. There are so many rotten signals out there> it's pathetic. Since it would appear the offshore manufacturers are> clueless as to the need for clean signals, perhaps pressure can be put upon> them to clean up their acts by having increasing numbers of transmit signal> monitors in the field. In any case I'd like to know that my signal is> clean. The CWops contest last week was the last straw for rotten signals> for me.>> For some time I've been using my P3 to analyze others' signals. If I had> a device that is similar in capability to the P3 to monitor my transmitted> signal that might suffice. Here I'm thinking CW (spurs, clicks, synth> noise...), but something that assists the op with transmitted SSB signals> would also be of use. Likewise RTTY, etc. I don't operate enough> phone/RTTY right now to judge whether the P3 is sufficient to analyze> one's transmitted SSB signal.>> How about it, Elecraft? It seems the P3 has much of the needed function.> You'd need some sort of coupler that was fast enough to capture high speed> signals, while not passing a harmful amount of signal to the "P3T"> (transmission monitor P3). Of course the P3T should easily handle 1500 W,> not merely 500 W, to appeal to a broader market.>> Thanks for listening (I hope).>> 73,>> Gary W2CS>>>> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:[hidden email]>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to [hidden email]>-- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz<http://www.qsl.net/vk1zz>Motorhome Portable**"Grumpy's House"**Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT*______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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If I had> a
> device that is similar in capability to the P3 to monitor my > transmitted> signal that might suffice. Just get rid of ESSB on 75 meters Har Bob K3DJC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Just hope that ESSB goes away along with Roger Beeps and after market audio
products would help clean up a few rubbish signals on all bands...:-) gary On 10 April 2014 11:22, <[hidden email]> wrote: > If I had> a > > device that is similar in capability to the P3 to monitor my > > transmitted> signal that might suffice. > > Just get rid of ESSB on 75 meters > > Har > > Bob > K3DJC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz <http://www.qsl.net/vk1zz>Motorhome Portable* *"Grumpy's House"* *Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT* ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Gary, what are you going to do about all the over active ALC, sprinkled with copious amount of Compression and marinated with an excessive amount of mic gain on any given contest weekend?
These by far out numbered the ESSBer we are so quick to mentioned! Just wondering? ((((73)))) Milverton. How good and pleasant it would be, before God and Man, to see the unification of all Mankind. > On Apr 9, 2014, at 20:43, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Just hope that ESSB goes away along with Roger Beeps and after market audio > products would help clean up a few rubbish signals on all bands...:-) > > gary > > >> On 10 April 2014 11:22, <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> If I had> a >>> device that is similar in capability to the P3 to monitor my >>> transmitted> signal that might suffice. >> >> Just get rid of ESSB on 75 meters >> >> Har >> >> Bob >> K3DJC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > -- > > > > *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz > <http://www.qsl.net/vk1zz>Motorhome Portable* > *"Grumpy's House"* > > > *Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT* > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 4/9/2014 6:56 PM, Milverton M. Swire wrote:
> all the over active ALC, sprinkled with copious amount of Compression and marinated with an excessive amount of mic gain on any given contest weekend? I put about 24 hours into WPX SSB a week or so ago, and the number of AWFUL signals nearly outnumbered the number of clean ones. At least two dozen times, I had to tell callers their audio was so bad that I couldn't copy them. In every case, mic gain was turned up FAR, FAR too high, and so was compression. There were dozens of stations calling CQ with audio so bad that I couldn't copy their calls, let alone try to make an exchange. This is PURELY a matter of STUPIDITY on the part of the operator (and perhaps an unsportsmanly intent to produce splatter to keep other stations away from their sidebands), and there's no excuse for it. Most modern rigs have a monitor function lets the operator listen to his transmitted audio, and I'd bet that many of those who sound the worst have another rig that the COULD use to listen to their own RF signal. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I like the CQ messages with a different voice that comes back to you.
Usually the CQ message from a certain area is really bad sounding but the real ops sound much better. Sadly I believe many intentionally distort their audio to make their signals wider. Mike W0MU On 4/9/2014 11:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 4/9/2014 6:56 PM, Milverton M. Swire wrote: >> all the over active ALC, sprinkled with copious amount of Compression >> and marinated with an excessive amount of mic gain on any given >> contest weekend? > > I put about 24 hours into WPX SSB a week or so ago, and the number of > AWFUL signals nearly outnumbered the number of clean ones. At least > two dozen times, I had to tell callers their audio was so bad that I > couldn't copy them. In every case, mic gain was turned up FAR, FAR too > high, and so was compression. There were dozens of stations calling CQ > with audio so bad that I couldn't copy their calls, let alone try to > make an exchange. > > This is PURELY a matter of STUPIDITY on the part of the operator (and > perhaps an unsportsmanly intent to produce splatter to keep other > stations away from their sidebands), and there's no excuse for it. > Most modern rigs have a monitor function lets the operator listen to > his transmitted audio, and I'd bet that many of those who sound the > worst have another rig that the COULD use to listen to their own RF > signal. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I agree the number of 'really' terrible signals is disgraceful, and perhaps
a lot of it is due to the Contesting madness, Bigger Louder Fatter mentality. Sometimes deliberate, I know. However even in casual SSB operating the number of ops I hear, especially in Europe, with really bad signals is incredible. This amazingly seems to be of no consequence to the majority as I very rarely hear bad audio or CW clicks being brought to the attention of the offending op. I often hear "Yes, your audio sounds great OM"... when it is clearly not ! Sadly this seems to be getting very much worse. Are we afraid to give an honest report or just plain ignorant of what a good signal is. Badly implemented ESSB is partly to blame I believe, ridiculously expensive microphones and racks of audio processing gear :) It is such a refreshing change to hear a really slick contest (or casual) op with "great" communications audio, some guys clearly know how it's done. Yes perhaps a TX monitor would be useful, but more education of how to produce a good, clean effective and efficient signal would be even more so. 73, F5VJC On 10 April 2014 07:26, W0MU Mike Fatchett <[hidden email]> wrote: > I like the CQ messages with a different voice that comes back to you. > Usually the CQ message from a certain area is really bad sounding but the > real ops sound much better. > > Sadly I believe many intentionally distort their audio to make their > signals wider. > > Mike W0MU > > > On 4/9/2014 11:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 4/9/2014 6:56 PM, Milverton M. Swire wrote: >> >>> all the over active ALC, sprinkled with copious amount of Compression >>> and marinated with an excessive amount of mic gain on any given contest >>> weekend? >>> >> >> I put about 24 hours into WPX SSB a week or so ago, and the number of >> AWFUL signals nearly outnumbered the number of clean ones. At least two >> dozen times, I had to tell callers their audio was so bad that I couldn't >> copy them. In every case, mic gain was turned up FAR, FAR too high, and so >> was compression. There were dozens of stations calling CQ with audio so bad >> that I couldn't copy their calls, let alone try to make an exchange. >> >> This is PURELY a matter of STUPIDITY on the part of the operator (and >> perhaps an unsportsmanly intent to produce splatter to keep other stations >> away from their sidebands), and there's no excuse for it. Most modern rigs >> have a monitor function lets the operator listen to his transmitted audio, >> and I'd bet that many of those who sound the worst have another rig that >> the COULD use to listen to their own RF signal. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Part of the problem, I think, is that people have simply forgotten how to monitor their own signal, or never bothered to learn how. It doesn’t matter if you’re using the latest DSP wizbang SSB radio or a Central Electronics 10A to transmit. Listening to yourself on an IF level “audio” monitor, won’t tell you if you’re overdriving and flat topping in the amp. Not likely that a P3 monitor function — if it only displays signals from the K3 DSP — will help much in that regard either. Compression and processing don’t necessarily cause a wide signal — but of course since the knob is there, if a little bit is good, then a whole lot MUST BE better .. or at least that’s clearly the view of many.
Every station needs a scope, and the only way to guarantee a clean signal (even if the K3 or radio du jour is generating a perfectly clean one in it’s DSP) is to use it properly to evaluate the RF going into the antenna, after the very last stage of that extra special 10KW contest amp … Grant NQ5T On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 4/9/2014 6:56 PM, Milverton M. Swire wrote: >> all the over active ALC, sprinkled with copious amount of Compression and marinated with an excessive amount of mic gain on any given contest weekend? > > I put about 24 hours into WPX SSB a week or so ago, and the number of AWFUL signals nearly outnumbered the number of clean ones. At least two dozen times, I had to tell callers their audio was so bad that I couldn't copy them. In every case, mic gain was turned up FAR, FAR too high, and so was compression. There were dozens of stations calling CQ with audio so bad that I couldn't copy their calls, let alone try to make an exchange. > > This is PURELY a matter of STUPIDITY on the part of the operator (and perhaps an unsportsmanly intent to produce splatter to keep other stations away from their sidebands), and there's no excuse for it. Most modern rigs have a monitor function lets the operator listen to his transmitted audio, and I'd bet that many of those who sound the worst have another rig that the COULD use to listen to their own RF signal. > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Time to close the thread in the interest of improving list Signal to noise ratio.
73, Eric List Moderator elecraft.com _..._ > On Apr 10, 2014, at 6:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Part of the problem, I think, is that people have simply forgotten how to monitor their own signal, or never bothered to learn how. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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What a station needs is a good, considerate operator.
George, W6GF On Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:05 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <[hidden email]> wrote: Part of the problem, I think, is that people have simply forgotten how to monitor their own signal, or never bothered to learn how. It doesn’t matter if you’re using the latest DSP wizbang SSB radio or a Central Electronics 10A to transmit. Listening to yourself on an IF level “audio” monitor, won’t tell you if you’re overdriving and flat topping in the amp. Not likely that a P3 monitor function — if it only displays signals from the K3 DSP — will help much in that regard either. Compression and processing don’t necessarily cause a wide signal — but of course since the knob is there, if a little bit is good, then a whole lot MUST BE better .. or at least that’s clearly the view of many. Every station needs a scope, and the only way to guarantee a clean signal (even if the K3 or radio du jour is generating a perfectly clean one in it’s DSP) is to use it properly to evaluate the RF going into the antenna, after the very last stage of that extra special 10KW contest amp … Grant NQ5T On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 4/9/2014 6:56 PM, Milverton M. Swire wrote: >> all the over active ALC, sprinkled with copious amount of Compression and marinated with an excessive amount of mic gain on any given contest weekend? > > I put about 24 hours into WPX SSB a week or so ago, and the number of AWFUL signals nearly outnumbered the number of clean ones. At least two dozen times, I had to tell callers their audio was so bad that I couldn't copy them. In every case, mic gain was turned up FAR, FAR too high, and so was compression. There were dozens of stations calling CQ with audio so bad that I couldn't copy their calls, let alone try to make an exchange. > > This is PURELY a matter of STUPIDITY on the part of the operator (and perhaps an unsportsmanly intent to produce splatter to keep other stations away from their sidebands), and there's no excuse for it. Most modern rigs have a monitor function lets the operator listen to his transmitted audio, and I'd bet that many of those who sound the worst have another rig that the COULD use to listen to their own RF signal. > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 4/9/2014 11:26 PM, F5vjc wrote:
> This amazingly seems to be of no consequence to the majority as I very > rarely hear bad audio or CW clicks being brought to the attention of the > offending op. Just this week I had to admonish one of our net participants who fancies himself as an electronic expert to back off about a foot from his microphone so that his speech would be intelligible. His remedy was to turn his compression down to zero. It was a good start. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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when hooking up the PR6, which do I connect my 160m rcv antenna to, the
bypass out or in? tnx 73 Dwight NS9I ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Well I believe it is better to 'close talk' most microphones in a typical
Ham shack environment, 2 inches typically. Reduces background noise and reverberation. Most of us are not operating in a broadcast studio acoustically dead environment. Of course, adjust Mic gain and Compression to suit, and please, please no HEAVY Bass Eq it's totally wasted communications power and sounds rather NAFF IMHO. And, 3kHz audio BW is Plenty wide for our purposes. Compression is good, used properly. Expert opinions please? 73, F5VJC On 11 April 2014 23:10, Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 4/9/2014 11:26 PM, F5vjc wrote: > > > This amazingly seems to be of no consequence to the majority as I very > > rarely hear bad audio or CW clicks being brought to the attention of the > > offending op. > > Just this week I had to admonish one of our net participants who fancies > himself as an electronic expert to back off about a foot from his > microphone so that his speech would be intelligible. His remedy was to > turn his compression down to zero. It was a good start. > -- > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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HI Dwight,
You hook it to Bypass In. In order to use the receive antenna, the PR6 needs to be turned off. If you are using DIGOUT1 to control the PR6, it may not be turning off when DIGOUT1 is off is you have the KAT500 and KPA500 and are using the KPAK3AUX cables. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" www.ke7x.com or www.lulu.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide (Coming soon: "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station") > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of DGB > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 3:21 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Hookup > > when hooking up the PR6, which do I connect my 160m rcv antenna to, the > bypass out or in? > > tnx 73 Dwight NS9I > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Folks - This thread was closed yesterday in the interest of reducing list overload.
Eric elecraft.com On 4/11/2014 2:10 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 4/9/2014 11:26 PM, F5vjc wrote: > >> This amazingly seems to be of no consequence to the majority as I very >> rarely hear bad audio or CW clicks being brought to the attention of the >> offending op. > Just this week I had to admonish one of our net participants who fancies > himself as an electronic expert to back off about a foot from his > microphone so that his speech would be intelligible. His remedy was to > turn his compression down to zero. It was a good start. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 4/11/2014 3:43 PM, F5vjc wrote:
> Well I believe it is better to 'close talk' most microphones in a > typical Ham shack environment, 2 inches typically. Not if you are shouting into it. For PSK which I use my K2 for, there is a nice monitoring program called PSKmeter that gives a scope-like presentation of the waveform. It operates in real time - in a window on the computer screen - and makes it very easy to see if there's too much ALC or audio input. -- -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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