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S-meter calibration

W6ODJ
Dear Wayne,

I was also puzzled by this.  After I finished the RX gain calibration  
on the main receiver (no sub-receiver installed), the XG-2 at 50 uV  
showed S8.  Maybe the "finish" page in the K3 Utility RX calibration  
routine should say what the user should do now:  Which CONFIG items to  
adjust and, if any, which ones NOT to adjust.

BTW, what should the CONFIG:SMTR MD be set to during this  
calibration?  NOR or ABS?  Or does it matter?

73,
Oliver Johns
W6ODJ


On 7 Oct 2009, at 1:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Now that you've done rf gain cal, you'll still need to adjust SMTR OF
> & SC so that you get S9 with 50 uV and S2-3 with 1 uV. RF gain cal
> linearizes the dsp's internal representation, while SMTR OF & SC set
> the actual meter indication.
>
> Try the factory defaults first.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
>
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> On Oct 7, 2009, at 10:59 AM, "Mike Harris" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> My results are:
>>
>> Source - XG1, RX gain calibration per the utility routine:
>>
>> Subsequently:
>>
>> Main RX only, pre amp OFF  - 50uV (S9), 1uV (S2)
>>
>> Sub-RX ON therefore splitter loss:
>>
>> Main RX S8 & S1
>> Sub-RX  S7 & S0
>>
>> No big deal but not identical.
>>
>> As a matter of interest, the S-meter on the main RX had been set up
>> a year ago or more as above.  When I checked it before doing the RX
>> gain calibration I discovered that the 1uV and 50uV figures were S5
>> & S9.  Little wonder I thought the local noise level had been
>> creeping up!  Maybe after playing with the AGC parameters a re-cal
>> of the S-meter is required, maybe not, but something altered it.  I
>> assume that given the 50uV S9 setting was correct then it isn't
>> associated with the XG1.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike VP8NO
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken K3IU" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "N1JM" <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal
>>
>>
>>> The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about
>>> v.3.15 or
>>> so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the
>>> SubRx
>>> S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really
>>> matter now.
>>>
>>> I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et
>>> al,
>>> after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the
>>> MAIN Rx
>>> S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the
>>> adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an
>>> extreme and
>>> the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme.
>>>
>>> So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate
>>> adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch
>>> up.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Ken K3IU
>>
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Re: S-meter calibration

AB3EN
Turn the RF gain full cw and see if the S Meter is acting normal.


Oliver Johns wrote
Dear Wayne,

I was also puzzled by this.  After I finished the RX gain calibration  
on the main receiver (no sub-receiver installed), the XG-2 at 50 uV  
showed S8.  Maybe the "finish" page in the K3 Utility RX calibration  
routine should say what the user should do now:  Which CONFIG items to  
adjust and, if any, which ones NOT to adjust.

BTW, what should the CONFIG:SMTR MD be set to during this  
calibration?  NOR or ABS?  Or does it matter?

73,
Oliver Johns
W6ODJ


On 7 Oct 2009, at 1:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Now that you've done rf gain cal, you'll still need to adjust SMTR OF
> & SC so that you get S9 with 50 uV and S2-3 with 1 uV. RF gain cal
> linearizes the dsp's internal representation, while SMTR OF & SC set
> the actual meter indication.
>
> Try the factory defaults first.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
>
> ----
> http://www.elecraft.com
>
> On Oct 7, 2009, at 10:59 AM, "Mike Harris" <mike.harris@cwimail.fk>
> wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> My results are:
>>
>> Source - XG1, RX gain calibration per the utility routine:
>>
>> Subsequently:
>>
>> Main RX only, pre amp OFF  - 50uV (S9), 1uV (S2)
>>
>> Sub-RX ON therefore splitter loss:
>>
>> Main RX S8 & S1
>> Sub-RX  S7 & S0
>>
>> No big deal but not identical.
>>
>> As a matter of interest, the S-meter on the main RX had been set up
>> a year ago or more as above.  When I checked it before doing the RX
>> gain calibration I discovered that the 1uV and 50uV figures were S5
>> & S9.  Little wonder I thought the local noise level had been
>> creeping up!  Maybe after playing with the AGC parameters a re-cal
>> of the S-meter is required, maybe not, but something altered it.  I
>> assume that given the 50uV S9 setting was correct then it isn't
>> associated with the XG1.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike VP8NO
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken K3IU" <kenk3iu@cox.net>
>> To: "N1JM" <johnn1jm@gmail.com>
>> Cc: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal
>>
>>
>>> The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about
>>> v.3.15 or
>>> so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the
>>> SubRx
>>> S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really
>>> matter now.
>>>
>>> I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et
>>> al,
>>> after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the
>>> MAIN Rx
>>> S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the
>>> adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an
>>> extreme and
>>> the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme.
>>>
>>> So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate
>>> adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch
>>> up.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Ken K3IU
>>
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Re: S-meter calibration

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We're going to add a final instruction to K3 Utility explaining that  
SMTR OF and SC must be adjusted after running RF GAIN calibration. I  
suggest doing this with SMTR MD = ABS, preamp ON. Under these  
conditions you should be able to set SMTR OF and SC such that 50 uV  
produces an S9 reading, and 1 uV results in S2 to S3.

Having verified this, you can if desired set SMTR MD to ABS, which is  
independent of the preamp and attenuator settings. The OF and SC  
values may need further tweaking in this case.

Regarding SMTR MD: It can be set to either ABS or NOR at the time the  
RF GAIN cal procedure is run. The menu S-meter settings have no  
bearing on the DSP's internal calibration process. They are only used  
to set up the S-meter readings per the user's preference.

I'm verifying this with Lyle and will get back to you if I'm wrong :)  
Lyle is on vacation and a bit hard to ready.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Oct 7, 2009, at 1:51 PM, O. Johns wrote:

> Dear Wayne,
>
> I was also puzzled by this.  After I finished the RX gain calibration
> on the main receiver (no sub-receiver installed), the XG-2 at 50 uV
> showed S8.  Maybe the "finish" page in the K3 Utility RX calibration
> routine should say what the user should do now:  Which CONFIG items to
> adjust and, if any, which ones NOT to adjust.
>
> BTW, what should the CONFIG:SMTR MD be set to during this
> calibration?  NOR or ABS?  Or does it matter?
>
> 73,
> Oliver Johns
> W6ODJ

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Re: S-meter calibration

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> I'm verifying this with Lyle and will get back to you if I'm wrong :)  
> Lyle is on vacation and a bit hard to reach.


Lyle believes this is correct, too!

73,

Lyle KK7P/7 (in Cottonwood, AZ)
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Re: S-meter calibration

wayne burdick
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Typo. I meant to say SMTR NOR in the paragraph below.

Wayne

Wayne Burdick wrote:

> We're going to add a final instruction to K3 Utility explaining that
> SMTR OF and SC must be adjusted after running RF GAIN calibration. I
> suggest doing this with SMTR MD = ABS, preamp ON. Under these
> conditions you should be able to set SMTR OF and SC such that 50 uV
> produces an S9 reading, and 1 uV results in S2 to S3.....

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Re: S-meter calibration

Bill K9YEQ
Thank you, Wayne.  I just switched back. I will rerun the calibration
tomorrow based on your advice. I had done so earlier without reading this
and I did not follow the recommended process exactly as I had ordered my
unit factory assembled.

73,

Bill
K9YEQ
K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods
ATS-3B
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:28 PM
To: Wayne Burdick
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] S-meter calibration

Typo. I meant to say SMTR NOR in the paragraph below.

Wayne

Wayne Burdick wrote:

> We're going to add a final instruction to K3 Utility explaining that
> SMTR OF and SC must be adjusted after running RF GAIN calibration. I
> suggest doing this with SMTR MD = ABS, preamp ON. Under these
> conditions you should be able to set SMTR OF and SC such that 50 uV
> produces an S9 reading, and 1 uV results in S2 to S3.....

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