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Agreed. Much better than I expected. And I never considered attending a hamfest, virtual or otherwise, to be a competitive sport.
Gary, K0CX I thought the Expo was excellent overall...couldnt have cared less about trying to earn points and winning a prize. Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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According to a post by the organizers, there was even some cheating done to rack up scores to win a prize. And those results had to be ferreted out and removed from the picture. Sadly not surprising …
Grant NQ5T > On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Gary Peterson <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Agreed. Much better than I expected. And I never considered attending a hamfest, virtual or otherwise, to be a competitive sport. > > Gary, K0CX > > > I thought the Expo was excellent overall...couldnt have cared less about trying to earn points and winning a prize. Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I think that competitive prize part could just be dropped. If the
system wasn't successfully gamed this time, it will be next time. There are plenty of folks around the world with time on their hands to create bots to do just about anything. It just begs for someone to do it and now they will have months to come up with it. It isn't worth the time for the organizers to waste trying to stop it. Regards, Mark On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:19 PM Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote: > > According to a post by the organizers, there was even some cheating done to rack up scores to win a prize. And those results had to be ferreted out and removed from the picture. Sadly not surprising … > > Grant NQ5T > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I agree and there was apparently some cheating involved too, requiring a
resolution after the fact. If prizes are offered, just make it "They showed up here (each vendor), so they're entered into a random drawing", just like any other hamfest. Appearance equates to one (only) 'ticket'. 73, Rick NK7I PS I watched after, those days were already filled with family things. Being able to see what I wanted on my own schedule, really nice. On 8/22/2020 2:53 PM, Gary Peterson wrote: > Agreed. Much better than I expected. And I never considered attending a hamfest, virtual or otherwise, to be a competitive sport. > > Gary, K0CX > > > I thought the Expo was excellent overall...couldnt have cared less about trying to earn points and winning a prize. Grant NQ5T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Not that I care, but I never figured out how one played the game. Part of the
abysmal navigation I suppose. With on exception, that I "walked out of", the presentations that I viewed were very good to excellent. I watched many of them after-the-fact. Two of the presenters are personal friends and fellow DX club members. Although we've argued about it in the past, one has convinced me and I've been dragged, kicking and screaming over to the dark side and have started using FT8. To tie this to Elecraft, as I was operating last night, and I mentioned this to my better half, I thought why would I want to replace my K3S, which now sits on fixed frequencies, with a K4 with bells and whistles? Wes N7WS On 8/22/2020 3:18 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > According to a post by the organizers, there was even some cheating done to rack up scores to win a prize. And those results had to be ferreted out and removed from the picture. Sadly not surprising … > > Grant NQ5T > >> On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Gary Peterson <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Agreed. Much better than I expected. And I never considered attending a hamfest, virtual or otherwise, to be a competitive sport. >> >> Gary, K0CX >> >> >> I thought the Expo was excellent overall...couldnt have cared less about trying to earn points and winning a prize. Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Rick:
> On Aug 22, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Rick NK7I <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I agree and there was apparently some cheating involved too, requiring a resolution after the fact. While I spent the weekend at the Expo, I did not sign up for the ‘contest.’ First, it wasn’t clear how to do that and second, it seemed to me that my preferences for how I intended to spend my time viewing presentations and resulting Q&A would be counter-productive towards a ‘winning’ score. > > If prizes are offered, just make it "They showed up here (each vendor), so they're entered into a random drawing", just like any other hamfest. Appearance equates to one (only) 'ticket'. Given that winners have been announced, it would be interesting to see how many points were racked up by the top 10 winners and how they were generated. My hypothesis is that if the focus is on ‘contesting’, then one needs to fully appreciate the rules and determine a strategy for ‘hitting spots’ that maximizes points over the course of the weekend. I suspect that such a strategy would result in lost opportunities to see presentations in full, be involved with Q&A sessions, chat with vendors on specific topics of interest, peruse materials of interest at various vendors, and simply take full advantage of the opportunity to “talk ham radio’ with those attending. Contesting also introduces stress and a focus on maximizing points/QSOs per unit of time, which is counter to the idea of taking time to fully benefit from the resources being offered at the Expo. Consequently, I ignored the ‘contest’, and I as I would normally do at Hamcation or Hamvention, mapped out in advance the specific presentations I wanted to see and ensured that my iPhone would alert me when a presentation of interest was about to begin. And rather than having to rush to a forum room and squeeze by other attendees to get a seat (as what happens at in-person events), I then sat back on my desk chair and ‘got educated’. If there was a break in the presentation schedule, I checked the various commercial booths that were of interest to me and asked questions/got answers, took a look at the documents being offered at these booths of interest and ended each day feeling that I had spent my time well. Elecraft and others did a great job with their presentations and willingness to ’talk up’ their products. In some respects I learned more at this Expo than at prior hamfests. I suspect this was due to the presenters taping their ’schtick’ which allowed them more carefully plan/script how they using their allocated time and to redo/edit/modify as necessary to make a better product, and there weren’t interruptions/distractions that occur when things are done live. The Q&A was generally excellent. Now, with all that said, the one thing that a hamfest has that the Expo does not is the face-to-face personal interaction. I look forward to hamfests because of the people and the opportunity to see friends and meet new ones. Yes, I also enjoy the fun of getting there and checking out the flea market looking at the latest/greatest gizmos, and having dinner with friends. Hopefully, we’ll be able to enjoy one another’s company in 2021 at both Orlando and Xenia and every other hamfest in between. FWIW, Barry Baines, WD4ASW (Currently in Boston/Roslindale, MA) > > 73, > Rick NK7I > > PS I watched after, those days were already filled with family things. Being able to see what I wanted on my own schedule, really nice. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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> Agreed. Much better than I expected. And I never considered
> attending a hamfest, virtual or otherwise, to be a competitive sport. Virtual couldn't be competitive for those in my position, satellite internet. As it was I had to buy an extra few GBs just to watch what was interesting. If I even wanted to compete the cost would be $100.00 or more. The upside is noise isn't much of an issue. :-) My brother, KG5RZT, has an observatory where the roof opens and there are two large telescopes with massive cameras. Light pollution is slowly starting to spoil things a bit (mostly on the horizon) and I imagine the noise will eventually get here too. You city folks need to kill some of your lights and gizmos. ;-) -- 73, William KT5TE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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+1 on the light pollution.
As to the Expo: I really enjoyed the presentations. Being virtual there was no reason to overlap them in the way they did. Don't try and emulate a real hamfest. I would have to cut one short to join another over lapping presentation. A few of the presenters needed to work out the technical details of using the SW. One presenter I watched assumed his slides were on the screen, they were not. He would refer to the slides, but his face was on the screen. The navigation was a bit screwy, mostly related to the presenter schedule. Having to pan the exhibit hall was tedious. Make it navigate more like a real website and not a video game. Loved the Elecraft presentations. Bothe the K4 and the KX2 walk though. Makes my mouth water for a K4. The method for giving away the prizes was totally stupid. Should have been a minimum amount of participation and then a random drawing. The point system encouraged bad behavior. i.e. If I was actually watching presentations there was no way I could ever get enough points to qualify. I would have enjoyed being in a drawing, but I spent my time watching presentations. Why make us choose? The people who game the system add ZERO value... len -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 7:52 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Seeking comments on Ham Expo from participants > Agreed. Much better than I expected. And I never considered > attending a hamfest, virtual or otherwise, to be a competitive sport. Virtual couldn't be competitive for those in my position, satellite internet. As it was I had to buy an extra few GBs just to watch what was interesting. If I even wanted to compete the cost would be $100.00 or more. The upside is noise isn't much of an issue. :-) My brother, KG5RZT, has an observatory where the roof opens and there are two large telescopes with massive cameras. Light pollution is slowly starting to spoil things a bit (mostly on the horizon) and I imagine the noise will eventually get here too. You city folks need to kill some of your lights and gizmos. ;-) -- 73, William KT5TE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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That is a very good idea Rick.
On 8/22/2020 4:29 PM, Rick NK7I wrote: > If prizes are offered, just make it "They showed up here (each vendor), > so they're entered into a random drawing", just like any other hamfest. > Appearance equates to one (only) 'ticket'. > > 73, > Rick NK7I ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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